Danes oppose deportation of criminal immigrants

[Menydh]

Danes oppose deportation

The Copenhagen Post
March 17, 2005

Most Danes oppose the deportation of immigrant criminals. Two teenagers have been sentenced to deportation to Turkey despite having lived most of their lives in Denmark.

The Supreme Court's decision to sentence two teenage criminals to deportation to Turkey is not in line with Danish public opinion.

A recent survey in 19 member countries of the European Union found Danes to be more opposed to criminal deportations than any other EU nation. Only 43 percent of Danes said they agreed with the practice, compared with an average of 70 percent in the EU as a whole.

Daily newspaper Berlingske Tidende released the figures a day after two Turkish-born immigrants were sentenced to deportation for murdering an Italian tourist in Copenhagen’s Nørrebro neighbourhood in 2003.

The court based its decision to deport the two on their ‘not insignificant connection to Turkey and Turkish culture,’ pointing out that the two frequently had been on holiday in Turkey and that they spoke Turkish.

The cousins Hizir and Ferhat Kilic were 16 and 17 years old at the time of the crime, in which they assaulted and stabbed a young Italian traveller, Antonio Currà, and left him to die on the street. The two will be deported after they serve their 10 and 8 year prison terms.

‘The deportation is ten times worse than the prison sentence,’ Hizir Kilic told the court last week. ‘I won’t be able to go to Turkey and survive.’

The cousins’ defence attorneys acknowledged the particularly violent nature of the crime, but nevertheless tried to convince the court’s seven judges not to deport his clients. Referring to their young age and strong roots in Denmark, he said that they should be exempted them from new laws that allow courts to have criminal immigrants deported.

‘In my opinion, the law ought to be changed to protect people who have lived their whole life in Denmark, even though they don’t behave as nice as they should,’ said Ulrik Rasmussen, a defence attorney in the case.


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[Gil]

Damn.
My opinion is that regardless of being illegal or legal immigrant and the number of years living in the country deportation should always be enforced.
Since they killed another person then I think they should face immediate deportation and serve their prison sentence in a turkish prison.

[Prussian]

...is not in line with Danish public opinion.

Considering in the modern day perspective public opinion can be very destructive due to a relative lack of education in forming a justified opion(most opinions of a political nature formed by what they are told via media). It's just like giving a large group of unqualified people the "right" to pass judgement on political matters in the form of the vote.

Today the vote & public opinion can be a very dangerous thing in the sense of people are not so educated in political matters of National interest as they once were. They are far too preoccupied with the latest soap on television or trying to get the finance approved from the bank for their new weekend toy then taking the time to investigate political matters further. What a sorry sight society has become. A clear danger to itself.

[Graeme]

It is interesting how the rights of criminals, human garbage, is more important than the rights of someone to be in Denmark and not be assaulted, stabbed and left to bleed to death. Knives and Turks! You can take the Turk out of Turkey but you can't civilise it. I wonder if the feelings about deportation would be the same had those thugs killed a Dane, someone a lot of locals knew as a person and not some statistic involving an Italian foreigner?

[Johnny Rebel]

Hi

I am from Denmark, and though the poll you speak of says 43% agree, there was a poll in a major newspaper a few days ago...
Now it seems 89% agrees
Those statistics seem to be quite different depending on who is asked...
But i do belive that the general oppinion in DK is that criminal immigrants are to be deported...
But unfortunately the "treehugginhippie-lobby" in Denmark is quite strong, and therefore, every time we have a dispicable murder like the one you speak of, we have to see the statistics polled in the nearest ghetto since no self-respecting Dane would let those two B******* stay in our nation...
On top of that, the media is very fast to censur the voice of the nationalists, allmost any National oppinion will be classified as "Nazi" even though it has little or no similarities with the NationalSocialist ideology...

So plz dont judge us Danes from polls like that one

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Johnny Rebel

I am from Denmark, and though the poll you speak of says 43% agree, there was a poll in a major newspaper a few days ago...
Now it seems 89% agrees
Those statistics seem to be quite different depending on who is asked...

So it seems. Or, rather, depending on who is commissioning and releasing the poll.

It is not unsual (on the contrary, it is rather common) to tamper with statistical results to obtain the desired result, and then present it to the public as propaganda.

Such practices have even helped to achieve electoral results in favour of the poll releaser.

So plz dont judge us Danes from polls like that one

Umh.. we were not judging the Danes here. This is a forum sub-section on immigration related news in Europe.

[Johnny Rebel]

Hehe yeah i know...

This tampering with statistics, is often seen here in our little nation aswell...
But it is my experience that the general consensus is leaning towards deportation. I have no idea who they asked in the first poll.
But a qualified guess was the neighbourhood the murder took place...
Since this is more or less immigrant dominated..

And about the judging... I know m8, im just joking

[Quark]

Im from Denmark too, the newspaper that brought the number 43% admitted the next day that it was wrong, the real procentage was 78%, and the that number seems to have increased to 89% as Rebel said

[Menydh]

Well.. sounds as if the news extracted from the poll are right the opposite of the intended.

I checked back on that news site. There is this old news from April 5th: "Big towns demand halt to immigration" (archived, only available on subscription)

And another intereting news..

[Menydh]

Gays feel more harassed

The Copenhagen Post
April 11, 2005

Gays and lesbians complain of increasing harassment in Copenhagen. Couples holding hands or leaving gay bars are at special risk

Copenhagen's old-time reputation as a liberal safe haven for gays and lesbians is under siege, as homosexual report a surge in attacks and harassment on the city's streets.

An internal survey among 280 members of the Copenhagen branch of the Danish National Association of Gays and Lesbians (LBL) has revealed that nine out of ten members have experienced physical violence or verbal abuse because of their sexual orientation.

Gays complain of attacks around some of their best-known haunts in the downtown street of Studiestræde and in the park of Ørstedsparken, while lesbians say they have experienced verbal abuse around the square of Rådhuspladsen.

'It looks organized when groups of attackers lie in wait in front of one of the city's gay bars and wait for their victims to leave,' LBL consultant Kim Foss Lund told daily newspaper metroXpress. 'There are more attacks, and they have become more violent. We've asked the police to register every case, so that something can be done about it.'

Lund added that many foreign countries had noticed an increase in hate crimes against homosexuals and other minority groups.

'Here at home there hasn't been one verdict on attacks on gays,' he said.

LBL has requested that the Council of Crime Prevention register every attack on homosexuals, but council consultant Merete Djurhuus said they were hesitant to question every violence victim on his or her sexual orientation. The council, however, was working closely with LBL on the subject, she said.


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Integration plan a failure

The Copenhagen Post
April 11, 2005

Local authorities and employment agencies do not live up to their promises to integrate immigrants and refugees into the work force

An integration plan launched by national and local government, employers, and trade unions in 2002 to help immigrants and refugees join the workforce has failed to produce results, according to a study conducted for the Ministry of Integration. The study is based on interviews with 600 private companies and 400 public workplaces.

Internships at companies have proven to be one of the best ways to integrate immigrants and refugees into the job market. Nevertheless, over a third of the private companies interviewed reported that they had not been contacted by employment agencies about hiring immigrants or refugees, the so-called ‘New Danes’. In addition, only 54 percent of private companies and 68 percent of public workplaces had employed New Danes.

Minister of Integration Rikke Hvilshøj said she was not impressed by local efforts to integrate immigrants into the workforce. She cited the good news in the study, however, that the vast majority of organisations who had employed immigrants enjoyed good results: Only ten percent of private companies that employed immigrants were dissatisfied, while only two percent of public institutions were dissatisfied.

Jane Korczak, vice chairwoman of trade union 3F, also criticised the efforts of job placement agencies and the municipalities to integrate New Danes. She felt that both the business sector and trade unions needed to work harder if the Integration Plan were to produce results.

‘I do not think any of us deserve a shiny star with regard to our efforts at integration. New Danes seldom show up at trade union offices and the municipalities are too often satisfied if they remain on public benefits. It is not flattering for any of us,’ Korczak told weekly magazine Ugebrevet A4.


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