Survey: Half of EU citizens reject immigrants

[Menydh]

Rising number of Europeans think there are limits to multiculturalism

EUobserver
March 16, 2005

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Greeks, Estonians and Latvians are the most resistant to a multicultural society, while a growing number of EU citizens think that a multicultural society has reached its limits, according to a new survey.

The survey, included in a report by the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia published on Tuesday (15 March), examined the attitudes towards minorities, asylum seekers and immigrants, as expressed across Europe in 2003.

Almost 80 per cent of its respondents had no problem interacting with minorities, but almost half of them had a critical attitude towards cultural and religious diversity.

Half of EU citizens revealed their negative attitude to immigrants - mainly in Greece, Hungary and Austria; and about a third of them said they were opposed to asylum seekers, with Belgium, the UK and Hungary on top of the list.

While about 60 per cent of the "old" member states thought that multiculturalism had certain limits, this view was less explicit (42 per cent) in the ten countries that joined the EU in 2004.

The support for repatriation policies for legal migrants has risen significantly since 1997, with the highest rate in Malta, East Germany, Greece and Latvia.

The report suggested that richer countries showed more tolerance and respect to cultural and religious diversities.

The opinions also differed at various societal levels - with young people and citizens with better income and education expressing more open and supportive attitudes towards ethnic, cultural and religious differences.


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[Helith]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Rising number of Europeans think there are limits to multiculturalism

EUobserver

March 16, 2005



EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Greeks, Estonians and Latvians are the most resistant to a multicultural society, while a growing number of EU citizens think that a multicultural society has reached its limits, according to a new survey.

The survey, included in a report by the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia published on Tuesday (15 March), examined the attitudes towards minorities, asylum seekers and immigrants, as expressed across Europe in 2003.

Almost 80 per cent of its respondents had no problem interacting with minorities, but almost half of them had a critical attitude towards cultural and religious diversity.

Half of EU citizens revealed their negative attitude to immigrants - mainly in Greece, Hungary and Austria; and about a third of them said they were opposed to asylum seekers, with Belgium, the UK and Hungary on top of the list.

While about 60 per cent of the "old" member states thought that multiculturalism had certain limits, this view was less explicit (42 per cent) in the ten countries that joined the EU in 2004.

The support for repatriation policies for legal migrants has risen significantly since 1997, with the highest rate in Malta, East Germany, Greece and Latvia.

The report suggested that richer countries showed more tolerance and respect to cultural and religious diversities.

The opinions also differed at various societal levels - with young people and citizens with better income and education expressing more open and supportive attitudes towards ethnic, cultural and religious differences.


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This should come as no suprise to anybody. How much is enough?

Maybe in these ' new' countries people have not had to deal with this issue so much yet as to see what it is really about. Also, interesting in considering this survey has been its treatment and representation in the meadia as if any of its findings were in any way surprising...

Now only how to get people to not be afraid of voicing these opinions out loud and not only on a survey questionnaire...

[Ederico]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

The support for repatriation policies for legal migrants has risen significantly since 1997, with the highest rate in Malta..........

Unfortunately the government does not listen to the people in one of those cases when the people are right. To make matters worse there is no serious Right-Wing and Nationalist movement to push for such policies, but there might soon be as it is question of when rather than if.

[Helith]

Originally Posted by Ederico Figallo

Unfortunately the government does not listen to the people in one of those cases when the people are right. To make matters worse there is no serious Right-Wing and Nationalist movement to push for such policies, but there might soon be as it is question of when rather than if.

Hopefully yes. Is the problem there the same as it tends to be here that it is a question of a lack of such a nationalist movement that can and will be taken seriously?

As opposed to random gatherings of bored teenagers...

Which, though, can also serve a purpose...

[Ederico]

Originally Posted by Helith

Is the problem there the same as it tends to be here that it is a question of a lack of such a nationalist movement that can and will be taken seriously?

Yes, but unfortunately there is also a Pan-European Anti-Immigrationist movement called Imperium Europa that is certainly not Nationalist (the leader disdains Nationalism calling it petty and attacks Nation States within Europe wanting one single Pan-European State lead by some sort of "Spiritual Elite") but whose leader proclaims himself to be a Racialist while at the same time disdaining Malta's language, traditions, people (he refers to the vast majority of Maltese people as dullards) and Catholic Faith while propounding some form of "Pre-Christian Spirituality", which no one knows specifically what it is, and adhering to the Cosmotheist "religion" which was defined by Dr. William Pierce of the American National Alliance.

The same person declares himself a Libertarian having praise for the Classical Liberals. Needless to say he fails to notice that it is Liberalism, Classical or Modern, that is leading to the fall of Europe and the decline of Western Civilisation. You can check this movement's site at www.imperium-europa.org, who knows maybe he'll get some support from Europe as well.

True Right-Wing and Nationalist politics is Anti-Liberal and upholds the Nation's core traditions. In Malta we fail to have such a movement, but hopefully not for long.

I have recently started criticising this movement I mentioned and its leader in an attempt to not have the Right-Wing and Nationalist ideals discredited by such positions which cannot be taken seriously if serious people consider them. Yesterday, this "gwerra interna" (internal war) was publicised on a Socialist newspaper which was a promotion of this movement and individual and an attempt to discredit me. I cannot enter into dynamics of the article, but there is no sort of internal war in Malta as for it to be internal it should first be within the same movement, and for the reasons I specified above and others I cannot definitely be part of such a movement not even solely on the levels of ideas and ideology, let alone political affiliation.

Unfortunately Malta is subject to an Illegal Immigrant invasion every summer that is pushing desperate people towards the mentioned movement as it is the only Anti-Immigrant voice in the island, for now that is. Anti-Immigration is not the core of Right-Wing and Nationalist thought, once Immigration stops and repatriation starts, and once Multiculturalism is over, the Nationalist starts his true battle, which is cultural and Patriotic.

Soon we will have a true Nationalist and Right-Wing alternative in Malta.

[etoile noir]

Originally Posted by Ederico Figallo

Yes, but unfortunately there is also a Pan-European Anti-Immigrationist movement called Imperium Europa that is certainly not Nationalist (the leader disdains Nationalism calling it petty and attacks Nation States within Europe wanting one single Pan-European State lead by some sort of "Spiritual Elite") but whose leader proclaims himself to be a Racialist while at the same time disdaining Malta's language, traditions, people (he refers to the vast majority of Maltese people as dullards) and Catholic Faith while propounding some form of "Pre-Christian Spirituality", which no one knows specifically what it is, and adhering to the Cosmotheist "religion" which was defined by Dr. William Pierce of the American National Alliance.

you never give up do you? you still insist that you are the only "nationalist" in malta! what nationalist? the sort who glorifies nationalist party members who were active in the 50's, are long gone, and spoke only italian?

i've told you once and i've told you a hundred times. if being a maltese nationalist entails spending the rest of my days praying for the souls of the departed and lighting candles at the graveyard, i refuse to be a "nationalist" and shall continue to support, in an active manner, the radical right.

The same person declares himself a Libertarian having praise for the Classical Liberals. Needless to say he fails to notice that it is Liberalism, Classical or Modern, that is leading to the fall of Europe and the decline of Western Civilisation. You can check this movement's site at www.imperium-europa.org, who knows maybe he'll get some support from Europe as well.

true, Norman does have his faults. however he was the first to step out in public and proclaim the anti immigrant stance, the racial preservation stance and the detachment from the 2 main political parties [one of whom you support]. Furthermore, the only righist activists in malta come from Norman's camp - not yours. For those interested in what really happens within the patriotic, Right in Malta, visit www.vivamalta.org

True Right-Wing and Nationalist politics is Anti-Liberal and upholds the Nation's core traditions. In Malta we fail to have such a movement, but hopefully not for long.

ye right. for further information on this very active, true right wing nationalist movement, you may also visit www.avemelita.com. don't worry, it shan't take up too much of your time. Don't forget your rosary bead, some candles to light for the dear departed ..... but don't even think of posting for you are automatically moderated by Ederico and his 2 or 3 apparatchicks.

I have recently started criticising this movement I mentioned and its leader in an attempt to not have the Right-Wing and Nationalist ideals discredited by such positions which cannot be taken seriously if serious people consider them. Yesterday, this "gwerra interna" (internal war) was publicised on a Socialist newspaper which was a promotion of this movement and individual and an attempt to discredit me. I cannot enter into dynamics of the article, but there is no sort of internal war in Malta as for it to be internal it should first be within the same movement, and for the reasons I specified above and others I cannot definitely be part of such a movement not even solely on the levels of ideas and ideology, let alone political affiliation.

i wonder who leaked that to the press. it wasen't anyone from our side that's for sure. maybe you ought to take a closer look at your people. we never needed to stoop to conquer.

Unfortunately Malta is subject to an Illegal Immigrant invasion every summer that is pushing desperate people towards the mentioned movement as it is the only Anti-Immigrant voice in the island, for now that is. Anti-Immigration is not the core of Right-Wing and Nationalist thought, once Immigration stops and repatriation starts, and once Multiculturalism is over, the Nationalist starts his true battle, which is cultural and Patriotic.

Soon we will have a true Nationalist and Right-Wing alternative in Malta.

once immigration stops? like when pigs will fly? or maybe when the cows come home? get real Ederico.

So we are to wait for immigration to stop and multi-culti to be dead and gone for malta to have a "true Nationalist and Right-Wing alternative in Malta". Silly me! and there i was thinking it was the true nationalists who will try to stop immigration, and to stop the NGO's from brain-washing our kids with multi-culti nonsense. And you say it's the other way round. Excuse me but this is utter nonsense. You don't sit there and hope and pray. You do. You participate. You act.

which brings me to a question: why did you not take part in that televised program last Tuesday? It had nothing to do with Imperium, or with Norman Lowell. You know very well that the e-mail inviting us to participate was sent to you, me, keith and another person. Norman was not invited to attend, yet you failed to turn up, or even excuse your absence with the presenter of the TV program.

For the information of other readers, this program filmed on an EU funded trailer truck which was touring EU countries and dealt with discrimination on the basis of race, color, creed, sexual orientation, age and disability.

The main speakers were: 1 gay activist, 2 people with disabilities, 1 maltese married to a kuwaiti, 2 people from government ministries concerned with anti-discrimination at the workplace and everywhere else and 1 young man from vivamalta.org who they thought would be a sheep thrown in amongst the wolves. But he fought long and hard and we're way proud of him. He stood his ground and gave as good as he got! I was there in the audience, as were another 2 people from vivamalta.org.

You on the other hand Ederico, were conspicuous by your absence - Mr. true right, nationalist, patriot! maybe you were waiting for the immigrants to subside, or for multiculturalism to die a natural death to turn up and give your input for Rightist activism in Malta.

In the same manner that i would never leak that "internal war within the radical right in malta" to the press, i would also not have brought this up on Stirpes, but now you're pushing it Ederico, and you know it. First you literally "killed off" avemelita.com, but we refused to die and came back within 2 days with a brand new forum - and a good one even if i say so myself.

Now you publicly, and on a different forum, continue to attack Norman Lowell, IE and his supporters. All unprovoked. What does this say about you Ederico? You have avemelita.com, we have vivamalta.org. We never waged war on you or yours so please stop tryng to wage war on us. It will only backfire.

I am attaching a picture of Keith on the EU truck, speaking for Malta, speaking against immigration, speaking again multiculturalism - in public and on national TV. We were in the front row, and we also spoke from the audience. I ask you again Mr Patriot Malti, where were you?

[Ederico]

Originally Posted by etoile noir

you never give up do you? you still insist that you are the only "nationalist" in malta! what nationalist? the sort who glorifies nationalist party members who were active in the 50's, are long gone, and spoke only italian?

i've told you once and i've told you a hundred times. if being a maltese nationalist entails spending the rest of my days praying for the souls of the departed and lighting candles at the graveyard, i refuse to be a "nationalist" and shall continue to support, in an active manner, the radical right.

My dear, what you have described is something that I do not do. Being inspired from a Nationalist political tradition is definitely needed instead of speaking of "New Right" based on a bunch of mumbo-jumbo that has no links to Malta and its traditions. Moreover let me remind you that I was one of the first to use the label Radical Right through AveMelita.com, which was simply used to disassociate from PN and nothing more. Before that, my dear, most people would not have been able to gather and meet and you cannot avoid that. Moreover without me you probably would not even have the idea to have your own forum, which I am grateful of I must admit.

true, Norman does have his faults. however he was the first to step out in public and proclaim the anti immigrant stance, the racial preservation stance and the detachment from the 2 main political parties [one of whom you support].

I remember myself speaking against Immigration and Multiculturalism years ago on Xarabank.com and having yourself attacking me repeatedly, I wonder what made you change your mind. Regarding my support to any party, you know that you are openly lying in that question. I support the history of the Partit Nazzjonalista/Partito Nazionalista and that I will never deny, but you know perfectly well that to me the Nationalist ideology received a severe blow within that party with the death of Enrico Mizzi in 1950, and it eventually died with the rise of Edward Fenech Adami. I actually consider them traitors in ideology and actions now, especially since they are Pro-EU. I should also remind you that Imperium Europa leader Norman Lowell has repeatedly stated that he was favourable to Malta's integration with Great Britain and Malta's entry in the European Union. To me that not only sounds non-Nationalist, but Anti-Nationalist and Anti-Patriotic.

Furthermore, the only righist activists in malta come from Norman's camp - not yours. For those interested in what really happens within the patriotic, Right in Malta, visit www.vivamalta.org

For those with a brief knowledge of ideology would not call anyone from Imperium Europa a Patriot, and in many instances not even Right-Wing. Definitely Anti-Immigration and I actually honestly support you in that otherwise I would not have given my support for over a year including doing a speech in an Imperium Europa event. You must have done much more than me obviously.

Right now I do not have the time, but if you would like me to start an ideological dissection of Imperium Europa from a Nationalist and Right-Wing perspective I would be tempted to do it.

ye right. for further information on this very active, true right wing nationalist movement, you may also visit www.avemelita.com. don't worry, it shan't take up too much of your time. Don't forget your rosary bead, some candles to light for the dear departed ..... but don't even think of posting for you are automatically moderated by Ederico and his 2 or 3 apparatchicks.

Dear Etoile, AveMelita.com is not a movement, nor is it the site of a movement. Rest assured though, there will eventually be a Right-Wing Nationalist movement, and it certainly is not Pan-European, Racialist, Libertarian, Anti-Christian and Pseudo-Pagan, Pro-Drug Legislation, Anti-Maltese Language and Maltese Traditions, Elitist, and Cataclysmic predicting Imperium Europa.

i wonder who leaked that to the press. it wasen't anyone from our side that's for sure. maybe you ought to take a closer look at your people. we never needed to stoop to conquer.

I wonder who the people that gave those declarations were in that case, they certainly sounded not from my camp.

once immigration stops? like when pigs will fly? or maybe when the cows come home? get real Ederico.

So you actually do not have hope that Immigration will stop? Why do you support an Anti-Immigrationist movement in that case? Is it the most in to do thing at the moment?

So we are to wait for immigration to stop and multi-culti to be dead and gone for malta to have a "true Nationalist and Right-Wing alternative in Malta". Silly me! and there i was thinking it was the true nationalists who will try to stop immigration, and to stop the NGO's from brain-washing our kids with multi-culti nonsense.

A Nationalist movement would be Anti-Immigration and Anti-Multicultural as it will be, but an Anti-Immigration and an Anti-Multicultural movement is not a Nationalist and Patriotic movement by default.

And you say it's the other way round. Excuse me but this is utter nonsense. You don't sit there and hope and pray. You do. You participate. You act.

My dear, have you been flag-waving recently? Do you know every single move I do for Nationalism in Malta? I guess not, and I will not be the one to inform you of my each and every movement, but rest assured I am working.

which brings me to a question: why did you not take part in that televised program last Tuesday? It had nothing to do with Imperium, or with Norman Lowell. You know very well that the e-mail inviting us to participate was sent to you, me, keith and another person. Norman was not invited to attend, yet you failed to turn up, or even excuse your absence with the presenter of the TV program.

For the information of other readers, this program filmed on an EU funded trailer truck which was touring EU countries and dealt with discrimination on the basis of race, color, creed, sexual orientation, age and disability.

The main speakers were: 1 gay activist, 2 people with disabilities, 1 maltese married to a kuwaiti, 2 people from government ministries concerned with anti-discrimination at the workplace and everywhere else and 1 young man from vivamalta.org who they thought would be a sheep thrown in amongst the wolves. But he fought long and hard and we're way proud of him. He stood his ground and gave as good as he got! I was there in the audience, as were another 2 people from vivamalta.org.

You on the other hand Ederico, were conspicuous by your absence - Mr. true right, nationalist, patriot! maybe you were waiting for the immigrants to subside, or for multiculturalism to die a natural death to turn up and give your input for Rightist activism in Malta.

I sought it better not to participate and was adviced not to by certain trusted people I am working with. I wonder what great victory was made with that programme, needless to say, I wished luck to anyone expressing views with which I agree with. I am not seeking confrontation Etoile, but rest assured, I will not seek association either or did not I associate enough in the numerous stuff I did such as a public speech, taking care of the presence of you people for over a year, being in the centre of attention for the media in particular questions and being asked repeatedly to participate in TV programmes? I wonder why they actually ask me, I never intended to participate in TV programmes, nor did I ever intend to be a public figure in this moment of my life, unfortunately I could not avoid it. Why don't you make an intervention yourself in the media after all you have political heritage in your family, with both the main parties, there must be some experience involved. You also know multiculturalism first-hand and very close.

In the same manner that i would never leak that "internal war within the radical right in malta" to the press, i would also not have brought this up on Stirpes, but now you're pushing it Ederico, and you know it.

Did anyone ask for your intervention? I was not even talking to you and I was only explaining to the other Stirpes people the situation with Nationalism in Malta. Stirpes is a Nationalist site Etoile, I believe it is obviously clear with this post of mine that you are part of a movement that is not Nationalist, pity I invited you to this forum if you want to promote a movement whose leader actually offends Nationalism with labels such as "petty" and asks for the dissolution of the Nation-States and the creation of a single Pan-European/Pan-Aryan/Pan-Europid planetary Imperium. You could have avoided it, but you're pushing it, I am not seeking confrontation with you, but it seems that I cannot even criticise your movement now or I would be pushing it right?

First you literally "killed off" avemelita.com, but we refused to die and came back within 2 days with a brand new forum - and a good one even if i say so myself.

Yes it is a good one if you say so and I actually enjoy reading some discussions. Regarding AveMelita.com I actually prefer AveMelita.com as it is now, as I could not be happier with the site and I was much displeased with how it was before.

Now you publicly, and on a different forum, continue to attack Norman Lowell, IE and his supporters. All unprovoked. What does this say about you Ederico?

It says that as a Nationalist and a Right-Winger I am criticising a movement that is falsely taking those labels and pushing most decent people away from Nationalism and the Right-Wing.

You have avemelita.com, we have vivamalta.org. We never waged war on you or yours so please stop tryng to wage war on us. It will only backfire.

I am not waging a war, I am criticising, but you cannot take criticism apparently. God forbid if someone criticises Norman Lowell and Imperium Europa, that is not permissable. We might as well have our Post-1800 houses demolished and wait for 2012 Anno Zero patiently as your leader believes, and expect to see Malta as the Spiritual North, the Spiritual Centre of the forthcoming Imperium Europa which will unite all Europids (including Kurds, Iranians and others) into a single Planetary Imperium.

I am attaching a picture of Keith on the EU truck, speaking for Malta, speaking against immigration, speaking again multiculturalism - in public and on national TV. We were in the front row, and we also spoke from the audience. I ask you again Mr Patriot Malti, where were you?

I decided not to participate as this is not the right time for me to be involved in such a manner. I am involved in other matters which are more urgent and important. However, please do believe me, and if you do not want to don't, I wished luck to you guys if you participated, I support you in your Anti-Immigration and Anti-Multiculturalism stance, that is not something we do not have in common.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by etoile noir

you never give up do you? you still insist that you are the only "nationalist" in malta! what nationalist? the sort who glorifies nationalist party members who were active in the 50's, are long gone, and spoke only italian?

i've told you once and i've told you a hundred times. if being a maltese nationalist entails spending the rest of my days praying for the souls of the departed and lighting candles at the graveyard, i refuse to be a "nationalist" and shall continue to support, in an active manner, the radical right.

Etoile, it is in the spirit of all true Nationalist to pay respect and homage to the foremen of the motherland. It is not honest to use such arguments to try to trash an opponent. And it is definitely not something that a Nationalist would do. One of the tragedies of the modern times is that people have lost all respect for their ancestry and their heritage.

I won't comment on other issues about Malta since I'm an outsider and therefore a complete stranger. But my impression of Imperium Europa is that it is not what one would expect from a true Nationalist party. For Christ's sake, it looks like a branch of Stormfront.. only perhaps more sectish.

Where is the section for UFOs?

[etoile noir]

Originally Posted by Ederico Figallo

My dear, what you have described is something that I do not do. Being inspired from a Nationalist political tradition is definitely needed instead of speaking of "New Right" based on a bunch of mumbo-jumbo that has no links to Malta and its traditions. Moreover let me remind you that I was one of the first to use the label Radical Right through AveMelita.com, which was simply used to disassociate from PN and nothing more. Before that, my dear, most people would not have been able to gather and meet and you cannot avoid that. Moreover without me you probably would not even have the idea to have your own forum, which I am grateful of I must admit.

indeed we agree on this for it seems we separated the wheat from the chaff.

I remember myself speaking against Immigration and Multiculturalism years ago on Xarabank.com and having yourself attacking me repeatedly

LOL amusing indeed. shame that forum is now defunct too. It would provide endless hours of morbid entertainment searching for posts where i "attacked" you!

I wonder what made you change your mind. Regarding my support to any party, you know that you are openly lying in that question. I support the history of the Partit Nazzjonalista/Partito Nazionalista and that I will never deny, but you know perfectly well that to me the Nationalist ideology received a severly blow within that party with the death of Enrico Mizzi in 1950, and it eventually died with the rise of Edward Fenech Adami. I actually consider them traitors in ideology and actions now, especially since they are Pro-EU. I should also remind you that Imperium Europa leader Norman Lowell has repeatedly stated that he was favourable to Malta's integration with Great Britain and Malta's entry in the European Union. To me that not only sounds non-Nationalist, but Anti-Nationalist and Anti-Patriotic.

apologies if i am lying, however last i heard, you were the proud owner of a valid Tessera of the present Partit Nazzjonalista. of course i may be mistaken, however i did not intentionally lie.

As to your other allegations regarding Norman Lowell, I have a copy of an interview you conducted only 6 months ago with same Mr Lowell. Would you like a copy to refresh your memory? And you say you wonder what made me change my mind? the mind continues to boggle where Ederico is concerned.

For those with a brief knowledge of ideology would not call anyone from Imperium Europa a Patriot, and in many instances not even Right-Wing. Definitely Anti-Immigration and I actually honestly support you in that otherwise I would not have given my support for over a year including doing a speech in an Imperium Europa event. You must have done much more than me obviously.

this is no contest of "who has done more or less" for IE or for Malta. It is simply a matter of - are we both Maltese? and do we both want what's best for our country? If the answer is in the affirmative, why this uncalled for aggravation? why can't we all work for the collective good of Malta? am.com is not norman lowell. well neither is vm.org. norman has his own site. he is a member of both am.com and vm.org. he simply posts on ours more than on yours - lately of course. but he is not admin or even a moderator on either - and you know that since you said you visit vm.org.

Right now I do not have the time, but if you would like me to start an ideological dissection of Imperium Europa from a Nationalist and Right-Wing perspective I would be tempted to do it.

whenever you like you are more than welcome to dissect whatever. however if you need that interview, with your comments on Norman Lowell, i will gladly give you a copy to refresh your memory.

Dear Etoile, AveMelita.com is not a movement, nor is it the site of a movement. Rest assured though, there will eventually be a Right-Wing Nationalist movement, and it certainly is not Pan-European, Racialist, Libertarian, Anti-Christian and Pseudo-Pagan, Pro-Drug Legislation, Anti-Maltese Language and Maltese Traditions, Elitist, and Cataclysmic predicting Imperium Europa.

Dear Ederico, i wish you all the luck in the world. and i honestly offer you all my support - as long as it is for Malta, not for the partit nazjonalista.

I wonder who the people that gave those declarations were in that case, they certainly sounded not from my camp.

i honestly don't know. we all don't know. it's not coming from our camp, that's for sure. but reading the comments they sounded pro Norman and anti yourself. then again, you have shown strong feelings of wanting to disassociate yourself from Norman lately, so they could have come from anyone who visits am.com really.

So you actually do not have hope that Immigration will stop? Why do you support an Anti-Immigrationist movement in that case? Is it the most in to do thing at the moment?

snide and totally uncalled for. beneath you Ederico.

A Nationalist movement would be Anti-Immigration and Anti-Multicultural as it will be, but an Anti-Immigration and an Anti-Multicultural movement is not a Nationalist and Patriotic movement by default.

beam me up scotty! geez i've been waiting almost 40 years for that gem of information. thanks ed.

My dear, have you been flag-waving recently? Do you know every single move I do for Nationalism in Malta? I guess not, and I will not be the one to inform you of my each and every movement, but rest assured I am working.

i always wave the maltese flag, george cross and all. what do you expect me to wave? the blue flag with the yellow stars of the EU? I'm maltese first, european second.

I sought it better not to participate and was adviced not to by certain trusted people I am working with. I wonder what great victory was made with that programme, needless to say, I wished luck to anyone expressing views with which I agree with. I am not seeking confrontation Etoile, but rest assured, I will not seek association either or did not I associate enough in the numerous stuff I did such as a public speech, taking care of the presence of you people for over a year, being in the centre of attention for the media in particular questions and being asked repeatedly to participate in TV programmes? I wonder why they actually ask me, I never intended to participate in TV programmes, nor did I ever intend to be a public figure in this moment of my life, unfortunately I could not avoid it. Why don't you make an intervention yourself in the media after all you have political heritage in your family, with both the main parties, there must be some experience involved. You also know multiculturalism first-hand and very close.

you didn't participate. i did. period.
kind of reminds me of the Safi Meeting all over again. you didnt participate then either did you? your advisors have been very busy indeed.

I will do as i'm told and rest assured that you are being advised to [in]act accordingly.

Did anyone ask for your intervention? I was not even talking to you and I was only explaining to the other Stirpes people the situation with Nationalism in Malta. Stirpes is a Nationalist site Etoile, I believe it is obviously clear with this post of mine that you are part of a movement that is not Nationalist, pity I invited you to this forum if you want to promote a movement whose leader actually offends Nationalism with labels such as "petty" and asks for the dissolution of the Nation-States and the creation of a single Pan-European/Pan-Aryan/Pan-Europid planetary Imperium. You could have avoided it, but you're pushing it, I am not seeking confrontation with you, but it seems that I cannot even criticise your movement now or I would be pushing it right?

you gave your interpretation of nationalism in malta, and i gave mine. do you have a problem with that? are you more maltese than i? or more nationalist? or more patriotic? what is this ..... a competetition based on what? who's more mediterranean? more malti spoken? who are you to say that you are more maltese than i?

Yes it is a good one if you say so and I actually enjoy reading some discussions. Regarding AveMelita.com I actually prefer AveMelita.com as it is now, as I could not be happier with the site and I was much displeased with how it was before.

good, i'm glad that you're happy with your avemelita.com. that's what it was always about wasn't it? mine mine mine ..... my forum, my this, my that.
How can a forum be a "my forum"? a forum is made up of its members, and that is one concept that you could never understand - not even now, after all that's happened ..... you still fail to realise that without active members, a forum is as good as dead.

I am involved in other matters which are more urgent and important. However, please do believe me, and if you do not want to don't, I wished luck to you guys if you participated, I support you in your Anti-Immigration and Anti-Multiculturalism stance, that is not something we do not have in common.

Good luck with whatever it is that you're involved with Ed. as you rightly said, we still have some things in common.

[etoile noir]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Etoile, it is in the spirit of all true Nationalist to pay respect and homage to the foremen of the motherland. It is not honest to use such arguments to try to trash an opponent. And it is definitely not something that a Nationalist would do. One of the tragedies of the modern times is that people have lost all respect for their ancestry and their heritage.

Mynydd, I quite understand that, but I also know that we have to move on. we pay homage, we give credit where it is due, but we have to look forward. The problems malta faced in the 50's, 60's and 70's are not the same as those we are facing today.

Was it not yourself who said the same thing on another thread, about people with fetishes for the past? why is this so different?

I won't comment on other issues about Malta since I'm an outsider and therefore a complete stranger. But my impression of Imperium Europa is that it is not what one would expect from a true Nationalist party. For Christ's sake, it looks like a branch of Stormfront.. only perhaps more sectish.Where is the section for UFOs?

indeed, Imperium Europa can be rather outlandish. I myself havent visited the site for ages - and when i do, it's to criticise Norman for some of his writings. He is an artist first, an idealist second .... and somewhere down the line, maybe a politician. But never in the traditional sense of the word. He has ideologies and a true love for Malta - but with a pan-european perspective that some disagree with.

However one thing's for sure - if it weren't for Norman Lowell there would be no Right in Malta. So in the same manner that we respect the Enrico Mizzi's and the Carmelo Borg Pisani's, we have to give credit where it is due to Norman Lowell too.

When you find the UFO's let me know ..... and please don't get back to me with - this is an imperium/dominium movement, so know your place as a woman and get back to the kitchen. I speak for and on behalf of vivamalta.org, not for imperium europa.

[Menydh]

Yes, etoile, I did speak against holding to fetishes of the past. And you are interpreting it the wrong way.

The Tradition is a source for Nationalism. It is timeless, not a fetish of the past.
Antiquam exquirite matrem. Search in the ancient motherland.