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A group of Spanish and Iberoamerican cultural organizations are collecting signatures for a petition to be presented to UNESCO, that corrida be declared cultural patrimony of the humanity. Their motivation is to prevent fanatical animal-rightists from their attempts to influence different international organizations, with the aim of having corrida banned.
On this site individual signatures can be collected: Plataforma para la Defensa de la Fiesta What are your opinions? |
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On the long term, the fiesta is doomed. It's a very traditional art, where beauty and bravery are involved, and this is disgusting for a modern spectator. You cannot show strenght or superiority today, and you cannot "mistreat" anyone, it doesn't matter the context. It's typical of the PC elite forces to focus in the most superficial "problems" (the fiesta), and forget about the real ones (the insane mass killing and ill-treatment of animals in farms, the broken link between man and nature, etc).
The animal rightists are hypocrits and their bodies should be sold as food for dogs. This way they would actually help those who they profess to love. I guess I don't like them very much ![]() Last edited by Carnyx; Friday, February 1st, 2008 at 23:17. Reason: xd |
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This is what the corrida (bullfighting) represents:
The accommodation of vast extensions of land (dehesas) where that very special breed of brave bulls roam free and protected like no other animal does in Europe. And arguably anywhere else in the world. The selective breeding techniques that bring improved castes in such a noble animal. A death in accordance with the noble character of the animal, fighthing. Unlike the fate of other animals, bred in factories and put to death mechanically in slaughterhouses. The preservation of an animal which would be otherwise stripped off of its noble and fighting nature to be domesticated, and then it would go extinct except for a few samples in a zoo, because it would not be viable in this sick modern world to keep a place for them. We are unfortunate to be European men, instead of Spanish brave bulls. ![]()
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accipiet reduces. Antiquam exquirite matrem: hic domus Aeneae cunctis dominabitur oris, et nati natorum, et qui nascentur ab illis.' We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. –Plato– |
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Now I can respect someone who accepts vegetarianism as his dietary regime, whether it be for medical or ethical reasons, or even if someone accepts the Jain radical worldview (although I am in principle opposed to importation of Eastern spiritualities) of non-hurting any living being. These are some coherent philosophies, unlike the sentimentalism of the modern Western wankers. Vegetarianism was even practiced in some Christian monastic orders. Remember that even Jesus Christ on his last supper, on which lamb was eaten according to the ancient Hebraic custom, instituted eucharist composed of bread and wine, that is, only agricultural products. There is maybe a symbolism in that. Last edited by Arthur Gordon Pym; Saturday, February 9th, 2008 at 19:35. |
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Inspite of the negative publicity and attacks against it (orchestrated by leftists and foreigners "traditionally" from Germanic countries), there is a rise in popularity. Compare the abonos (season tickets) of the Fair of San Isidro in Madrid, in 1956 and 2004: In 1956, there was a total of 6 events, all of them on foot. In 2004, there was a total of 29 events, of which 23 were corridas de lidia (bullfighting on foot), 6 novilladas (less strict, with 3 year old bulls or not so good ones) and 3 corridas de rejones (bullfighting on horse). Personally, I am more of the opinion of the 30s Spanish Fascist thinker, Ernesto Giménez Caballero, with respect to Tauromaquia (The Arts of Bulls). Giménez Caballero argued against the romanticization and popularization of the Tauromaquia in XIXth century, which dropped the noble fighter off the horse to turn him into a labourer on foot. This, he argued, was the result of the influences arrived from "Europe" that degraded to the vulgar popularism an art which was of a noble Hispanic origin. And in fact it was noblemen and hidalgos who practiced it on horse, since ancient. I believe that his central argument was that with the change from an aristocratic (Spanish) character to a democratic (Central European) character, if you want to speak in terms of "cruelty" the popularization had turned it into a more "cruel" show. But this is arguable, since it refers only to what is externally visible or perceived. The fight on horse still exists today. It is called corrida de rejones. Though the correct name is rejoneo. Lately, I've been thinking about buying an abono (a season ticket) for the rejoneo events. If only to support the preservation of the noble breed of brave bulls, and of the Art of Tauromaquia. Only the price could put me off, but I'm willing to do a financial sacrifice. In plazas de toros (bullrings) like that of Las Ventas in Madrid, abonos for certain events are not only outrageously expensive but they are also not available (some people pass it from generation to generation). ![]()
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accipiet reduces. Antiquam exquirite matrem: hic domus Aeneae cunctis dominabitur oris, et nati natorum, et qui nascentur ab illis.' We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. –Plato– Last edited by Menydh; Thursday, February 7th, 2008 at 14:05. |
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Some beautiful images of a corrida de rejones in Valencia.
[MEDIA]http://youtube.com/watch?v=0iNr2ENkZaw[/MEDIA] This video of images and video by a female fan of rejoneador Pedro Hernández, "El Cartagenero". [MEDIA]http://youtube.com/watch?v=x5j7p_b3e8U[/MEDIA] [MEDIA]http://youtube.com/watch?v=rl7-xeJ4riE[/MEDIA] A video from "Le Midi" (@Carnyx: ).[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrYPUNcfqFk[/MEDIA] Unarguably, from a linage of grand rejoneadores, the Portuguese João Moura Sr. [MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx5M3_aiGz0[/MEDIA] Don't miss the Navarran rejoneador Pablo Hermoso de Mendoza. And notice what the toreros are: helpers. [MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKV10RNPYY8[/MEDIA] State of the Art! Pablo Hermoso de Mendoza, in Nimes (Occitania). [MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rt3Vjce4JI[/MEDIA] Sublime! A quiebro before the bull! [MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lokBBRiT9KU[/MEDIA]
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'Dardanidae duri, quae uos a stirpe parentum prima tulit tellus, eadem uos ubere laeto
accipiet reduces. Antiquam exquirite matrem: hic domus Aeneae cunctis dominabitur oris, et nati natorum, et qui nascentur ab illis.' We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. –Plato– Last edited by Menydh; Saturday, February 2nd, 2008 at 14:33. |
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"A cattle population that as a whole has more characteristics of the aurochs than the current Heck cattle is that of the Spanish Fighting cattle. Within the heterogeneous population of the Spanish fighting cattle not only more aurochs characteristics are present, but often also combined in one individual. Within this populations there exist for example red-brown cows with a small utter and the aurochs horn shape, and black-brown bulls with a light eel stripe, a light snout and the aurochs horn shape. The selection and crossing of these Spanish bull fight can reach the target to recreate the aurochs much faster and better than has been done by the Heck brothers and their Heck cattle. (Van Vuure, 2003)" In the image, a 1920 painting recreating the fight of an auroch against a pack of Eurasian wolves: ![]()
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accipiet reduces. Antiquam exquirite matrem: hic domus Aeneae cunctis dominabitur oris, et nati natorum, et qui nascentur ab illis.' We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. –Plato– |
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![]() Shouldn't we slap them in the face for their hypocrisy, and as supporters of a noble death of the bovines that we are, campaign with similar tactics against the horrendous and ignoble deaths that they give to cows in their slaughterhouses?
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'Dardanidae duri, quae uos a stirpe parentum prima tulit tellus, eadem uos ubere laeto
accipiet reduces. Antiquam exquirite matrem: hic domus Aeneae cunctis dominabitur oris, et nati natorum, et qui nascentur ab illis.' We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. –Plato– |
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Watch a video of a slaughterhouse, and meet the difference.
Warning! The video images are shocking! PETA TV:Mutilations at AgriProcessors Slaughterhouse--Short Version (windows media) PETA TV:Mutilations at AgriProcessors Slaughterhouse--Short Version (quicktime)
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'Dardanidae duri, quae uos a stirpe parentum prima tulit tellus, eadem uos ubere laeto
accipiet reduces. Antiquam exquirite matrem: hic domus Aeneae cunctis dominabitur oris, et nati natorum, et qui nascentur ab illis.' We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. –Plato– |
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"In Praise of Corrida" (in Italian)
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