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I stumbled upon this link RootsWeb: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-L RE: Oxford Ancestors Links and I can't find the answer to that guy's question in which I'm very interested. So I call upon local Stirpes' experts to help me by answering to the question in that mail.
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Only one thing;The mentioned people were not Goths, but men and women whose descendants will call themselves Goths(Scandinavia), and Illyrians(Balkans), several thousand years after. This would also explain the frequency of haplogroup I1a in Germany and Denmark. |
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I think this haplogroup case is rather an "echo" of Mesolithic or maybe Neolithic,a remain of what happened much before the full formation of Germanic and Illyrian people.I don't really much believe in Historical mass-migrations.And even less in an area (the Balkans) that has been consistently populated even before the spread of agriculture.Interesting stuff anyway,worths to be explorated further.
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I'm waiting to get the full time internet (
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The dispersion of haplotypes only tells us about a change that has occur,but not when or how,so we have all the latitude to elaborate theories.Shall we begin (or continue)?
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![]() But it's very hard to prove that due to sands of time. ![]() Anyway, Illyrians were most probably genetically very heterogeneous, so I was referring to their I1b(P-37) branch. |
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Or am I wrong? |
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In fact,we do not know this.Basques nationalists are very good at claiming that they are the European natives.And that's a clever move,because skeletons don't talk and there is no way to prove them wrong (or right).About the Illyrians,I believe to know that they are related to the spread of the iron technology in central Europe.But it's possible that the word "Illyrian" is nothing more that a generic term to designate various peoples.
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A really helpfull invention,at last!But,through literature,haven't we invented it already?
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That the Basques are not older than the first humans in Europe? ![]()
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Same thing for the Croats!
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...And if it's true,let's make sure that nobody's getting to know it!
Last edited by Jacob Le Bin; Thursday, August 16th, 2007 at 07:29. |
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