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American researchers say the mystery over the explorer's true origins has finally been solved after a thorough investigation of his writings.

A study of the language used in the official records and letters of the Great Navigator apparently proves he hailed from the Kingdom of Aragon in northeastern Spain and his mother tongue was Catalan.
Since his death in 1506 debate has raged over the true nationality of the man credited with discovering the Americas.

It was widely believed that he was the son of a weaver born in the Italian port of Genoa, but over the centuries he has been claimed as a native son of Greece, Catalonia, Portugal, Corsica, France and even Poland.

According to one theory, he may have been Jewish and another more recent account traced his origins to Scotland.

But a linguistic professor at Georgetown University in Washington has published new findings following an exhaustive study of documents written in his hand.

Estelle Irizarry studied his language and grammar and concluded that Columbus was a Catalan speaking man from the Kingdom of Aragon, an inland region of north-eastern Spain at the foot of the Pyrenees.

The findings published this month in a new book "The DNA of the writings of Columbus" explain that although he wrote in Castilian it was clearly not his first language and his origins can be pinpointed to the Aragon region because of the grammar and the way he constructed sentences.

"He didn't express him correctly in any written language," said the professor. "His Spanish was notoriously incorrect yet at the same time efficient, poetic and eloquent."

A scientific project launched three years ago to discover his true origins using DNA comparisons between his family and possible descendants has so far failed to provide conclusive results.

A team of scientists took samples from the tomb of Columbus in Seville and from bones belonging to his brother and son and compared them to the genetic make-up of hundreds of people living across Europe with surnames believed to be modern day variants of Columbus.

Swabs were taken from the cheeks of Colom's in Catalonia, Colombo's in Italy and even members of the deposed Portuguese royal family, who argue that Columbus was the product of an extramarital affair involving a Portuguese prince.

Scientists had hoped to establish a common ancestor using standard Y-chromosome tests but they have yet to find a link.

They study may be in vain, however, as there is evidence to suggest that Columbus, who first crossed the Atlantic in 1492, may have adopted his surname later in life to disguise his true origins.

One theory claims that he once worked for a pirate called Vincenzo Columbus, and adopted that name in order not to embarrass his relations with his new profession.

Columbus himself, when asked about his origins, used to shrug off the questions. "Vine de nada" – "I came from nothing", he said.
Telegraph.co.uk >>> Christopher Columbus writings prove he was Spanish, claims study (14 Oct 2009)

Of all the words that this explorer wrote, and there were many, I remember these the most:

"Nothing that results from human progress is achieved with unanimous consent, and those who are enlightened before the others are condemned to pursue that light in spite of others." ~ Christopher Columbus


.. Christopher Columbus (c. 1451 – 20 May 1506)
...... Posthumous portrait by Ridolfo Ghirlandaio
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A study which brought up a book and a film (Cristóvão Colombo - O Enigma (2007)) claims he was born in Portugal and that he named Cuba after his hometown in the region of Alentejo... Cuba Municipality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The study seems pretty serious.

He even has a statue overthere since then:
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Now we need an Italian saying he was Italian and a Jew saying he was Jewish... it's the never ending story
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Ok, I don't care...



Pero Afán de Ribera y Gómez (Costa Rica, 1568-1573)
Francisco de Aguirre (Chile, 1540-1581)
Jerónimo de Alderete (Chile, 1540-1556)
Diego de Almagro (Perú, 1524-1535, Chile, 1535-1537)
Gonzalo de Alvarado (Cuba, 1511, México, 1518-1521, Guatemala 1523-1527, Perú, 1533-1535, México, 1540-1541)
Pedro de Alvarado (México, 1519-1521, Guatemala 1523 -1527, Perú, 1533-1535, México, 1540-1541)
Antonio de Aragón, conquistador de Tucumán.
Diego de Artieda Chirino y Uclés (Costa Rica, 1577-1589)
Rodrigo de Bastidas (Panamá, Colombia, 1468-1527)
Sebastián de Belalcázar (Ecuador y Colombia, 1533-1536)
Lorenzo Bernal del Mercado (Chile, 1549-1596)
Bartolomé Blumenthal (Chile, 1540-1585)
Melchor Bravo de Saravia (Chile, 1557-1575)
Gonzalo Calvo de Barrientos (Chile, 1533-1537)
Alonso del Castillo Maldonado
Juan de Cavallón y Arboleda (Costa Rica, 1560-1562)
Beltrán de Zetina, (Yucatán, 1527-1546)
Hernán Cortés (México, 1518-1522, Honduras, 1524, Baja California, 1532-1536)
Pedro Cortés de Monroy (Chile, 1555-1598)
Alonso Dávila (México, 1520-1533)
Pedrarias Dávila (Costa Rica, Nicaragua y Panamá, 1514-1531)
Nicolás de Federmann (Venezuela y Colombia, 1537-1539).
Martín de Goiti, (Manila, Filipinas, 1570-1571)
Juan de Grijalva (Yucatán, 1518)
Diego Gutiérrez y Toledo (Costa Rica, 1543-1544)
Felipe Gutiérrez y Toledo (Panamá, 1535-1536)
Pedro de Heredia (Colombia)
Francisco Hernández de Córdoba (Yucatán, 1517)
Diego Hernández de Serpa (Venezuela, 1524-1570)
Gonzalo Jiménez de Quesada (Colombia, 1536-1537, Venezuela, 1569-1572)
Juan Jufré, (Chile), 1541-1579, (Argentina) 1562
Miguel López de Legazpi, (Filipinas, 1565-1571)
Domingo Martínez de Irala, (Argentina, Paraguay 1535 - 1556)
Pedro de Mendoza, (Argentina, Paraguay 1534 - 1537)
Pedro Menéndez de Avilés (La Florida, 1565 - 1567)
Francisco de Montejo (Yucatán, 1527-1546)
Pánfilo de Narváez (La Florida, 1527-1528)
Diego de Nicuesa (Panamá, 1506-1511)
Vasco Núñez de Balboa (Panamá, 1510-1519)
Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca (Estados Unidos, 1527-1536, Paraguay, 1540-1542)
Alonso de Ojeda (Venezuela, Colombia, Guyana, Aruba)
Cristóbal de Olid (Honduras, 1523-1524)
Francisco de Orellana (Río Amazonas, 1541-1543)
Francisco Pizarro (Perú, 1509-1535)
Gonzalo Pizarro, (Perú, 1532-1542)
Hernando Pizarro, (Perú, 1532-1560)
Juan Pizarro, (Perú, 1532-1536)
Juan Ponce de León (Puerto Rico, 1508, Florida, 1513 y 1521)
Alonso de Reynoso (Honduras y México 1536-1548, Perú 1549-50 y Chile, 1551-1567)
Rodrigo de Quiroga (Chile, 1540-1580)
Jorge Robledo (Colombia, Guatemala, Perú)
Juan Rodríguez Cabrillo
Juan de Salcedo, (Norte de Filipinas, 1570-1576)
Hernán Sánchez de Badajoz, (Costa Rica, 1540-1541)
Miguel Sánchez de Guido, (Costa Rica, 1560-1565)
Hernando de Soto (Estados Unidos, 1539-1542)
Inés de Suárez, (Chile, 1541)
Martín de Ursúa, (Petén, región de Guatemala, 1696-1697)
Pedro de Valdivia (Chile, 1540-1552)
Lucas Vázquez de Ayllón (Estados Unidos, 1524-1527)
Francisco Vázquez de Coronado, (Estados Unidos, 1540-1542)
Juan Vázquez de Coronado, (Costa Rica, 1562-1565)
Diego Velázquez de Cuéllar, (Cuba, 1511-1519)
Sebastián Vizcaíno (México, Filipinas, California)
Juan de Ahumada (Chile, 1557-1596)

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These are 100% SPANISH.

CONQUISTADORES.

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Ok, I don't care...



Pero Afán de Ribera y Gómez (Costa Rica, 1568-1573)
Francisco de Aguirre (Chile, 1540-1581)
Jerónimo de Alderete (Chile, 1540-1556)
Diego de Almagro (Perú, 1524-1535, Chile, 1535-1537)
Gonzalo de Alvarado (Cuba, 1511, México, 1518-1521, Guatemala 1523-1527, Perú, 1533-1535, México, 1540-1541)
Pedro de Alvarado (México, 1519-1521, Guatemala 1523 -1527, Perú, 1533-1535, México, 1540-1541)
Antonio de Aragón, conquistador de Tucumán.
Diego de Artieda Chirino y Uclés (Costa Rica, 1577-1589)
Rodrigo de Bastidas (Panamá, Colombia, 1468-1527)
Sebastián de Belalcázar (Ecuador y Colombia, 1533-1536)
Lorenzo Bernal del Mercado (Chile, 1549-1596)
Bartolomé Blumenthal (Chile, 1540-1585)
Melchor Bravo de Saravia (Chile, 1557-1575)
Gonzalo Calvo de Barrientos (Chile, 1533-1537)
Alonso del Castillo Maldonado
Juan de Cavallón y Arboleda (Costa Rica, 1560-1562)
Beltrán de Zetina, (Yucatán, 1527-1546)
Hernán Cortés (México, 1518-1522, Honduras, 1524, Baja California, 1532-1536)
Pedro Cortés de Monroy (Chile, 1555-1598)
Alonso Dávila (México, 1520-1533)
Pedrarias Dávila (Costa Rica, Nicaragua y Panamá, 1514-1531)
Nicolás de Federmann (Venezuela y Colombia, 1537-1539).
Martín de Goiti, (Manila, Filipinas, 1570-1571)
Juan de Grijalva (Yucatán, 1518)
Diego Gutiérrez y Toledo (Costa Rica, 1543-1544)
Felipe Gutiérrez y Toledo (Panamá, 1535-1536)
Pedro de Heredia (Colombia)
Francisco Hernández de Córdoba (Yucatán, 1517)
Diego Hernández de Serpa (Venezuela, 1524-1570)
Gonzalo Jiménez de Quesada (Colombia, 1536-1537, Venezuela, 1569-1572)
Juan Jufré, (Chile), 1541-1579, (Argentina) 1562
Miguel López de Legazpi, (Filipinas, 1565-1571)
Domingo Martínez de Irala, (Argentina, Paraguay 1535 - 1556)
Pedro de Mendoza, (Argentina, Paraguay 1534 - 1537)
Pedro Menéndez de Avilés (La Florida, 1565 - 1567)
Francisco de Montejo (Yucatán, 1527-1546)
Pánfilo de Narváez (La Florida, 1527-1528)
Diego de Nicuesa (Panamá, 1506-1511)
Vasco Núñez de Balboa (Panamá, 1510-1519)
Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca (Estados Unidos, 1527-1536, Paraguay, 1540-1542)
Alonso de Ojeda (Venezuela, Colombia, Guyana, Aruba)
Cristóbal de Olid (Honduras, 1523-1524)
Francisco de Orellana (Río Amazonas, 1541-1543)
Francisco Pizarro (Perú, 1509-1535)
Gonzalo Pizarro, (Perú, 1532-1542)
Hernando Pizarro, (Perú, 1532-1560)
Juan Pizarro, (Perú, 1532-1536)
Juan Ponce de León (Puerto Rico, 1508, Florida, 1513 y 1521)
Alonso de Reynoso (Honduras y México 1536-1548, Perú 1549-50 y Chile, 1551-1567)
Rodrigo de Quiroga (Chile, 1540-1580)
Jorge Robledo (Colombia, Guatemala, Perú)
Juan Rodríguez Cabrillo
Juan de Salcedo, (Norte de Filipinas, 1570-1576)
Hernán Sánchez de Badajoz, (Costa Rica, 1540-1541)
Miguel Sánchez de Guido, (Costa Rica, 1560-1565)
Hernando de Soto (Estados Unidos, 1539-1542)
Inés de Suárez, (Chile, 1541)
Martín de Ursúa, (Petén, región de Guatemala, 1696-1697)
Pedro de Valdivia (Chile, 1540-1552)
Lucas Vázquez de Ayllón (Estados Unidos, 1524-1527)
Francisco Vázquez de Coronado, (Estados Unidos, 1540-1542)
Juan Vázquez de Coronado, (Costa Rica, 1562-1565)
Diego Velázquez de Cuéllar, (Cuba, 1511-1519)
Sebastián Vizcaíno (México, Filipinas, California)
Juan de Ahumada (Chile, 1557-1596)

...


These are 100% SPANISH.

CONQUISTADORES.

.
what's more... Spanish, or not...Christopher was not the best "of the Conquer", rather the other way round. We have a good bunch to feel proud of, I agree
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what's more... Spanish, or not...Christopher was not the best "of the Conquer", rather the other way round. We have a good bunch to feel proud of, I agree
As Yago rightly said somewhere, "we, Spaniards, don't need the Myths that most cultures invent to feed their self-esteem and pride." (aprox.)

We only have to take a look at our vast history, or better, at Global History to feel our superiority, yes, superiority. Supreme Pride.

We don't need myths. Those fantasies, when related to Spaniards, contrary to the general rule, serve and were invented to lie and minimize about our position in History, not to extol it.

For that we only have to take a look to Real History.


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We only have to take a look at our vast history, or better, at Global History to feel our superiority, yes, superiority. Supreme Pride.
LMAO



Be careful CristianoViejo... it's lonely at the top.
 

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