Your Opinion On The Macedonian Issue

[daniel_tanevski]

It's so great to see sarcasm!

Keep up the good work!

[Awar]

It's not so great to see a new bunch of pseudo-history crap.
I think you'll find better friends on www.nordish.net
we're not worthy of your "white" presence.

[LeukoLyko]

Originally Posted by daniel_tanevski

Macedonia had previously been settled by the original European peoples during the Neolithic age, these people created the Old European civilizations, which were some of the most advanced in Europe at the time.

Macedonia's origins lay in an invasion of the area by a Nordic tribe some time during the great Nordic migrations which occurred from around 5000 BC onwards, at first conquering but then integrating with these original Old European peoples.This massive influx of peoples brought about the fall of these Old European civilizations - and in their place arose a great civilization which have come to epitomize the classical world: Macedonia!

Originally Posted by daniel_tanevski

What Nordic tribes are you talking about in 5,000BC? Do you know what you're talking about? Macedonians are a Dorian Greek tribe.

Originally Posted by daniel_tanevski

Archaeological investigations have revealed just how Nordic the Macedonians were - particularly in contrast to the peoples who, by the time of the first Macedonian expeditions, made up the majority of the inhabitants of southern Greece.

Originally Posted by daniel_tanevski

Have you been to a museum and see how "Nordic" looking Macedonians and other Greeks were? Even blonde/blue Greeks are not Nordic, they are mutations of Aeolian-Dorian-Ionian-Pelsagian stock which was indigenous to the Hellenic peninsula.

Originally Posted by daniel_tanevski

Originally Posted by daniel_tanevski

Macedonians were not "Hellenic-speaking" people. From historic writtings we have available it is clear that macedonians were "barbarians" in the eyes of Greeks and they spoke a totally different language which obviously Greeks couldn't understand.

Then why did Macedonians create an empire that spanned 3 contintents and made the conquered speak Greek? Why did they have exclusively Greek names like Phillip, Alexander, Cleopatra, Ptolemy? Why now names ending in "ev", "ov" or "ski". Why did they create the Hellenic League of 338BC? Why did they worship Greek gods? Why did Alexander consider himself a descendant of Achilles (and he was on his mother's side)?

Originally Posted by daniel_tanevski

Originally Posted by daniel_tanevski

The Greeks never saw the Macedonians as Hellenes; they were excluded from the Olympics and from social gatherings - this is one of the reasons why it wasn't uncommon for a Macedonian to be able to speak Greek.

LIES!!!! LIES!!!! They were not excluded from the Olympic games - Phillip II even won a horse race there.

Originally Posted by daniel_tanevski

Originally Posted by daniel_tanevski

The Macedonian kings, however, knew that Greece was the centre of European civilization, culture and learning at the time and they wanted to be part of it. They adopted much culture of the Greeks in the South. Alexander the Great conquered most of greece and then went on to spread Macedonian culture and language throughout the known world.

Macedonians MADE Greece the centre of Greek civilisation. Without Macedonia, Greece would be conquered and smashed.

WHY IS MOUNT OLYMPUS - HOME OF THE GREEK GODS IN MACEDONIA? Are Greeks totally stupid to have their gods reside in a so called foreign place?

Originally Posted by daniel_tanevski

Originally Posted by daniel_tanevski

If one would ask Plato if Macedonians were Greeks, he'd say they were not. One of the greatest philosophers of all time, Aristotle, was also a Macedonian (by his father), and he too would argue on the subject-matter.

Originally Posted by daniel_tanevski

Now, you a Slav and a new European dare to speak for Plato and Aristotle??? How dare you??? What arrogance and stupidity you exhibit?!! Aristotle? Surely you mean ArisotOVKSI??? You've got to be joking, but I know you people and I know you're deadly serious.

Originally Posted by daniel_tanevski

With the arrival of the Slavs in the 5th or 6th centuries AD, the Macedonian culture began to decline, and when the Slavs conquored the region - the Macedonians began to adopt many cultural facets, one of these being the Slavic dialects (of which the Macedonians formed their own).
Today's Macedonians are the very descendants of the Ancient Macedonians, making a distinct ethnic group - they are one of the few White people remaining in the Balkans - due to the mixing of Albanians with Turks, and Greeks with Ethiopians.

RUBBISH!!! Greeks are the least racial miscegenationists in the Balkans. Slavs are the biggest. FYROM is a nation of Turk-Slavs that want to be something they're not. Deal with the cards you've been dealt. As for white, yeah right, you Turk-Slavs are exactly that. Go have a look at the war criminals in The Hauge first.


Greeks won't give their culture, history and eponyms away so easily as you may think.

[Alkman]

Originally Posted by LeukoLyko

Now, you a Slav and a new European dare to speak for Plato and Aristotle???

Since you have the exclusiveness,perhaps you want to enlight the rest in the philosophy section about them

Originally Posted by LeukoLyko

RUBBISH!!! Greeks are the least racial miscegenationists in the Balkans. Slavs

Originally Posted by LeukoLyko

are the biggest.

Originally Posted by LeukoLyko

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I think you shouldn't insult a whole European subgroup for this Fyromite.Perhaps you want to avoid generalizations like this.



White wolf is Leukos Lycos in Greek.Perhaps you want to introduce yourself in the greek-speaking section.

[NatVox]

Originally Posted by Alkman

I think you shouldn't insult a whole European subgroup for this Fyromite.Perhaps you want to avoid generalizations like this.

Agreed.

Given the nature of the claims, daniel_tanevski has been demanded to provide solid evidence to prove them. I must remember him now that time is running out for it.

[LeukoLyko]

Originally Posted by Alkman

[/size][/font][/font]Since you have the exclusiveness,perhaps you want to enlight the rest in the philosophy section about them

I think you shouldn't insult a whole European subgroup for this Fyromite.Perhaps you want to avoid generalizations like this.

White wolf is Leukos Lycos in Greek.Perhaps you want to introduce yourself in the greek-speaking section.

Why should I let this renegade speak for Plato and Aristotle, when he says they would say Macedonians are not Greek. Is that what they would say? Not in a billion years. What would they say about his kind? Hint: barbarian would be the kindest thing.

I'm not insulting a European sub-group - the Slavs. I have Slav (Serb,Croat Czech, Polish and Russian) friends that agree with this. One of them says, "these FYROMians don't want to be Slavs", infering a great insult on the Slavs. I'm actually telling it like it is. The FYROMians say we're mixed, I say they're the most mixed. Yugoslavia was not very homogeneous WRT to the Slavic component, althought the largest majority by far - they had Bosnian Muslims, Albanian Muslims as well as a large Gypsy component and Bulgarians (FYROMians) in their nation. Greece is much more homogenous than that and this guy says we're Ethiopians. Who does he think he is? And I'll tell you something, ALL FYROMians think like him, I've never met one that wasn't insulting or had murderous intentions upon Greeks. Where are the 400,000 Greeks of FYROM? What happened to their human rights? Turks, Ethiopians, Niggers is what they ALL call us. Ironic really since they're the ones mixed with Asiatic and African blood via the Turks and Gypsies that form a large component of FYROM today.

FYROM is allied with Turkey and a conduit for Asian and Middle Eastern immigrants into Europe, that is if the FYROM government doesn't murder them first.

As for introducing myself to the Greek speaking section, I'm not sure I want too after your, what appears to me, inept performance in allowing this FYROMian to call us Niggers amongst other many other things in a semi-public forum.

[Awar]

Originally Posted by LeukoLyko

Why should I let this renegade speak for Plato and Aristotle, when he says they would say Macedonians are not Greek. Is that what they would say? Not in a billion years. What would they say about his kind? Hint: barbarian would be the kindest thing.[/size][/size][/font]

The fact that someone else says something retarded does NOT allow you
to insult him, and especially doesn't allow you to insult his race, ethnicity, meta-ethnicity.

I'm not insulting a European sub-group

Yes, you are. For that you will be warned.

- the Slavs. I have Slav (Serb,Croat Czech, Polish and Russian) friends that agree with this. One of them says, "these FYROMians don't want to be Slavs", infering a great insult on the Slavs. I'm actually telling it like it is. The FYROMians say we're mixed, I say they're the most mixed. Yugoslavia was not very homogeneous WRT to the Slavic component, althought the largest majority by far - they had Bosnian Muslims, Albanian Muslims as well as a large Gypsy component and Bulgarians (FYROMians) in their nation. Greece is much more homogenous than that

So? Greece is a member of the EU. Does that mean that you're all mixed?

First of all, nobody mixed with Gypsies on a large scale, they're a relatively closed group. Second, the main divider between ethnicities in the Balkans was religion,
and even if it wasn't, Balkanoids are genetically speaking nearly all the same, from both male and female lineages.

and this guy says we're Ethiopians. Who does he think he is?

I think he's a troll, but, you're not much better.

And I'll tell you something, ALL FYROMians think like him, I've never met one that wasn't insulting or had murderous intentions upon Greeks.

Generalizing like that won't get you far either on this forum.

Where are the 400,000 Greeks of FYROM? What happened to their human rights? Turks, Ethiopians, Niggers is what they ALL call us. Ironic really since they're the ones mixed with Asiatic and African blood via the Turks and Gypsies that form a large component of FYROM today.

Open a thread about that.
As I said, the admixtures you both are blabbing about are a myth,
and used as insults, so if you choose to repeat yourselves again in this un-academic manner, I'll have no other choice but to remove you both.

I'm sure there are thousands of message boards where you two can flame eachother like children endlessly.

FYROM is allied with Turkey and a conduit for Asian and Middle Eastern immigrants into Europe, that is if the FYROM government doesn't murder them first.

So? What does that have to do with anything?

As for introducing myself to the Greek speaking section, I'm not sure I want too after your, what appears to me, inept performance in allowing this FYROMian to call us Niggers amongst other many other things in a semi-public forum.

[Rusalka]

Originally Posted by Awar

First of all, nobody mixed with Gypsies on a large scale, they're a relatively closed group. Second, the main divider between ethnicities in the Balkans was religion,
and even if it wasn't, Balkanoids are genetically speaking nearly all the same, from both male and female lineages.

Apart from being shunned by most of the communities they live in the Gypsies' own lifestyle and traditions don't let them marry outside their group anyway. For one thing they still more or less live semi-nomadically in many areas and most of them (at least in Eastern Thrace) don't even hold a citizenship. They've never been a powerful or influential group in the past either so I don't see the point of anyone outside their community intermarrying with them. It really is quite rare.

[Bulair]

Can I still be a tatar?

[Reltih]

Originally Posted by LeukoLyko

Macedonians are a Dorian Greek tribe.

Evidence? (e.g quote by any ancient author)

Why did Alexander consider himself a descendant of Achilles (and he was on his mother's side)?

Fancying on being descendant of Achilles doesn't make one very greek. Ancient romans also pretended the same bs without having any idea what they were talking about.

WHY IS MOUNT OLYMPUS - HOME OF THE GREEK GODS IN MACEDONIA?

When had Olympus been in Macedonia? That's intriguing.

Now, you a Slav and a new European dare to speak for Plato and Aristotle??? How dare you???

LOL. Sorry, indeed, mentioning the names of Plato and Aristotle must be officially forbidden outside Greece.

[Reltih]

!!! Attention: Idiot !!! : The Macedonian people emerged from a complex ethno-genetic process involving the Neolithic indigenous peoples on the territory of Macedonia, but primarily from a Nordic tribe which settled in Macedonia!!! .... ~~ daniel_tanevsson

Those people were the anscestors of the modern Macedonian people.

That would explain why nordic phenotype (esp. the marked brachicephaly) still predominates in the swedish-speaking macedonian subnormals.

Not only has this been proven by countless archaelogical findings

Hahaha, the non-existing "countless archaelogical findings" could be easily found and/or created in the internet and/or macedonian "history" textbooks. Only there.

but also by the inhabitants of neighbouring nations who assert that the Macedonians were[sic] Macedonians!

And which exactly are these neighbouring nations? I bet it is the Republic of South Africa, as you obtain misinformation of the prominent south-african retard Arthur Kemp.

[Reltih]

Wikipedia about the Macedonian "language":

Bulgarian and Macedonian are very closely related. However, there are also certain differences between the two languages. Roughly 15% of the whole vocabulary of both languages is different, although most words usually exist in the other language with a different or slightly modified meaning. 65% of the words are only differently accented, and 20% are identical. Lexical differences are owing to a great extent to loanwords borrowed by Bulgarian from Russian and by Macedonian from Serbian in the middle and the end of the 20th century.

Generally, there is little trouble for a Bulgarian speaker to understand a Macedonian speaker, and vice versa.

Although it was the first country to recognise the independence of the Republic of Macedonia, Bulgaria has refused to recognise the existence of a separate Macedonian nation and a separate Macedonian language. It is argued that the language of the Macedonian Slavs was regarded (both by the speakers themselves and by linguists) as a Bulgarian dialect before the 1940s and that Macedonian linguists resort to falsifications of history and documents in order to further the opinion that there was a consciousness of a separate Macedonian language before that time.

The publication in the Republic of Macedonia of the folk song collections Bulgarian Folk Songs by the Miladinov Brothers and Songs of the Macedonian Bulgarians by Serbian archaelogist Verkovic under the "politically correct" titles Collection and Macedonian Folk Songs are some of the examples quoted by the Bulgarians.

The Miladinov Brothers , Dimitar Miladinov (1810-1862) and Konstantin Miladinov (1830-1862), were Bulgarian poets and folklorists, authors of the most important collection of Bulgarian folk songs in the 19th century, Bulgarian Folk Songs (1861). The collection was written in the vernacular of Struga (present-day Republic of Macedonia) and includes a total of 665 songs and 23,559 verses.

Although the Miladinov Brothers always called the language in which they wrote Bulgarian, since the establishment of the Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia they have been regarded by Macedonian linguists as Slav Macedonian awakeners fighting for the development of the Macedonian language. Bulgarian Folk Songs has been re-issued in the Republic of Macedonia under an edited name, Collection, the references to Macedonia in the foreword as of to "Western Bulgaria" have been erased and other references to Bulgaria and Bulgarian language have been edited and replaced with Macedonia and Macedonian language.

In the 1980s, the original edition of the book was subjected to systematic acts of vandalism in Western libraries, often carried by Yugoslav expatriates and usually resulting in the tearing of the front cover. For this reason, the book may be borrowed only as a photocopy nowadays.








Text of the front cover

"Bulgarian Folk Songs collected by the Miladinov Brothers Dimitar and Konstantin and published by Konstantin in Zagreb at the printing house of A. Jakic, 1861"

[Xenophon]

I would like to congratulate the Skopians for wanting to be part of the Macedonian heritage. Perhaps they see and feel the ancient glory of the lands they are living in, everyday.

Whatever their reason, I think we should expand the Hellenic Macedonia, to include all of FYROM, as part of Greece, giving them autonomous self governing rights.

Note: The intention of this writing is not to generate antipathy, but to the contrary aims to remake Macedonia a part of Hellenic (Greek) heritage, not with weapons or war, but via the

P R O P E R

re-education of the "Titonian" Macedonian thought.

[Xenophon]

......after all, how many of the cuurent residents of "FYROM" have been to the great ancient peoples of :
"kallas ?"
in order to find out about the true heritage of Macedonians?

and if you dislike those peoples, then you shall have no rights to be called
and recognised by the Greeks as "Macedonians",

unless youur true motivation is for a future pretext of war,.

[Awar]

Could you please take these silly teritorial disputes to some other forum, please.
Grow up.