Hitler's plans for Eastern Europe

[Wilkolak]

http://www.dac.neu.edu/holocaust/Hit...SLAV%20NATIONS

1. And then they bitch and moan over "their" lost territories?
2. And then they bitch and moan over the postwar deportations?

Blarg, it makes me sick every time!

[Siegmund]

Originally Posted by Wilkolak

http://www.dac.neu.edu/holocaust/Hit...SLAV%20NATIONS

1. And then they bitch and moan over "their" lost territories?
2. And then they bitch and moan over the postwar deportations?

Blarg, it makes me sick every time!

The lost territories are no less lost for all that, and the postwar deportations no less heinous - even if one assumes that the information posted on this self-styled "Holocaust Awareness" website is correct.

Check this out:

Appeal to Pity (Ad Misericordiam)

Description:

The argument attempts to persuade by provoking feelings of sympathy.

Comments:

The phrase "ad misericordiam" is a Latin phrase meaning "(appeal) to sympathy (or compassion)."

Examples:

"You should not find the defendant guilty of murder, since it would break his poor mother's heart to see him sent to jail."

"Is it not better to be unjust than just, when the just man, while obeying the law not to resist arrest, may be beaten, kicked, clubbed, insulted and abused, by those arresting him?"

Discussion:

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There are, of course, cases in which appealing to human suffering is fallacious, namely those in which the appeal is used to distract attention away from the issue at hand. In deciding the guilt or innocence of a person on trial, the question is "Did he do it?" His feelings, our feelings, and the feelings of his mother are irrelevant to the issue.

But the Ad Misericordiam fallacy is able to masquerade as good reasoning precisely because in most cases considerations of human suffering are the issue at hand. Should we take steps to reduce poverty? Should we permit doctor-assisted suicide for suffering, terminally ill patients? Should our foreign policy support dictators who abuse human rights? If we were not concerned with human suffering, there would be no motive to be rational. The most important thing we reason about is the alleviation of suffering. We want to reason well precisely because this will improve our chances of success. Logicians are not heartless and unemotional. Just the reverse: the more compassion and sympathy one feels, the more one understands the importance of doing something effective to help. We must reason well in order to know what to do.

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[Wilkolak]

Sorry, was a little irritated earlier, perhaps I was a little harsh, but either way, I'd like to hear someone disprove what was said here.

[voresall]

I wonder what were his plans for Romania...

[Menydh]

These arguments lead nowhere.

One would have first to assume that that's correct in full or in part. The past should teach us to be very sceptic of history-telling when this comes from one side involved in the conflict, be it directly or indirectly. Or even not physically involved but emotionally involved through sympathy to one of the involved sides.. or antipathy to the other.

The fact remains that there is enough ammunition to be used against one side and the other from the events that led to WW2, from the war period in itself, and from the events in the aftermath derived from the conflict. The question is if it is of any use today to engage in such unfertile and damaging stirring of the events.

Modern times and modern problems demand modern solutions. It is a miserable waste of time and resources to get stuck in failed ideologies of the past which DO NOT REPRESENT THE SOUL OF ANY NATION. Or at least they should not. As it is miserably wrong to confuse the real cause for the preservation of the nations of Europe, with nazi fetishes whether in the form of the nutzi lunatic freak, or post neo-nazi new age nazism disguised as some kind of construct-volkism like it is done on some forum board, or in aeternal hatred of Germans because of nazism.

Quite honestly, I could have never forseen that I would see so much misery as I've seen on internet forums over these last years. It's made me sick and leaves me hope for very little. It has even changed my views on many issues, in a much negative way.

The individuals involved in all these hatemongering, be it as first line actors or from behind the scenes, are the most despicable and lowest of the life forms. Many others are also guilty by omision. It doesn't matter if it's done on purpose or if the abilities to reasoning are not up to the needed level standards. The results derived from such acts, even when not directly, are of a magnitude too big for such small details to matter.

I will never understand why a people are so fanatically willing to put before the survival and preservation of their nation the cult to an individual, or the ideas constructed in the deluded mind of any degenerated drug addict. Or other such petty excuse.

I can't have any respect for such a people. I only hope that they don't drag other peoples in their supreme stupidity, and that we all do our best to avoid it.