Personal Critic On Afro-american Revisionism

[Señor Malo]

The purpose of thus thread is not to discredit any racial group or the contribution of black men of science to the improvements of our standard way of life, but to replace things into their context. Here I go.

A few days ago a colleague of mine ,originary from the western indies, e-mailed me a "funny" story (the story is in french, that's why I do not paste it in here) of a group a american white men who decide to move out from current USA to a "new" USA without blacks ... the story goes on that after passing accross a long and dark tunnel, they arise into a new America where every track of blakc presence had just disapeared ... the first thing they noticed (the story tells) was that America had became a vast waste land because they had not benefitted from the slave work force for the harvesting and agricultural tasks ... when they entered into the towns they also found that there were no sky-grappers given that they could not beneffit of the elevator which, according to the author of the tale was the invention of Alexander Mills, a black...


The town roads were quite empty as very few cars run on it, as there were not Richard Spikes, a black, to invent the automatic gear shift or Joseph Gammel, another black, to invent Supercharge System for Internal Combustion Engine
They could neither take the tube to move faster, because the tramway, its praecursor, has been invented by
Elbert R. Robinson another black ...



When they entered in to the houses of the whites they noticed that they were dark inside as they lacked of the electrical bulb (allegedly invented by afro-american Lewis Latimer) the lantern (allegedly invented by Michael Harvey, another black) Moreover, they were received by children whose hair were untudy, aswell as their clothes because they have had not black inventor Sarah Boone to invent the ironing table or Walter Sammons to invent the comb.

And not to tlak about their lawn in their court yards which was dry and yellowish because they could not take proffit of J.S. Smith Lawn Sprinkler.


After so many deceivefull discoveries, these white men decide to have a break for lunch and there again, they way most deceived as the food turned out to be in bad state; they lacked of the refrigerator, appliance allegedlly invented by another black, John Standard.

The story goes on and on with other facilities allegedly invented by afro americans like the fountain pen by
William Purvis or W.A. Lovette's new press (I'm even appalled that the author has clearly specified that it is a new model of press instead of attributing Guttemberg's press to a black!!!)

This was the story Per Se, I'll be back on my critics and corrections later on ... To Be Continued

[Gil]

Logic dictates that if A isn't discovered by X then Z will discover it. Not to mention that across the globe different people at the sme time have arrived at the same conclusions...
Let me guess, if if weren't for a black man "discovering" the wheel we would still be walking everywhere.... right?

[Señor Malo]

It is my personal reaction that this story gets it's departure from a very frequent missconception among some americans (and I do not generalize, for respect to many american members of this forum who I found they aremost respectfull persons) that Americans just came and invented The Modern World, making omission of all what has existed and been done long before they came and ignoring the fact that many things achieved by americans is nothing but the result of millenia of research and efforts made in Europe for most but also in near East and even up to the Far East.

Even in most of the world people still figures out that concepts such as democracy, electricity, nuclear power, airplanes etc are no older than 100 or 150 years and are enterely the product of the american mind.

Just to take and exemple of the story I summarized for you on my previous post, the white characters of the story find that the lawns in the houses of white men were dry and yellowish just because thay lacked of JS Smith's Lawn Sprinkler. What it is supposed to mean that? that it is impossible to kept a garden correctly without a lawn sprinkler?

My Good! How to explain, then, The Neolithic revolution, The Garden Girdled city of Babylon, The Etruscan most achieved science of canals, irrigation & sewage systems (latterly adopted by the romans), the arabs garden of the Alambra in Spain, the Florentine gardens of the renaissance palaces, the gardens of Versailles or even the Most enchanting japanese gardens?

Yet another lie; that America had became a big waste land without the slave labour force to accomplish the agricultural tasks ... That drive back to what I wrote a few lines above and I'd like the author to considerwhat was the agricultural development in Europe or Asia and what was it in Africa by the time slave trade begin...
A more recent exemple; Argentina abolished the indian work service as early as 1810 and black slavery in 1813 ... and since then has been one of the main world's producers in farming goods.

After this first image of The US nation without the contribution of black people as slaves the story goes on with an uthopical America without the contribution of black people as free men, displaying a long list of myths about black invention; there we learn that the electric bulb was invented by black inventor Lewis Latimer Instead of Thomas Alva Edison, that the elevator was invented by Alexander Mills in 1887 and not by american inventor Elisha Graves Otis in 1852 (keep in mind that by 1852 all the blacks in maerica were either slaves either too poor to study engineering and sciences...) or that the refrigerator was actually invented by John Standard and not by German Carl Von Linde...
What should I begin with? Ah! Yes! let's begin by the electric bulb. It is very well known that Lewis Latimer worked for Thomas Edison as draftsmen by the time Edison achieved the first liable electric bulb, and was Latimer who made the drawings for Edison's patent application. The merit of Latimer is to have made some very importants improvements on Edison's light bulb but by NO WAY was he the inventor AND HE NEVER PRETENDED TO BE.
Modern afro-american folklore pretends that Lewis Latimer was the actual inventor of the electric bulb and that Edison stole him his invention ... We have plenty of documents stating on the experiences he had been making for long time before he achieved at last the electric bulb while we have no trace of any previous attempt or experience from Lewis Latimer and moreover, Edison himslef admited L Latimer in his close circle of the 24 "Edison's pioneers". So if it was true that Edison stole the invention to Latimer, wouldn't he rather trye to get rid of them as he did for Tesla, to whom he stole a good deal of inventions instead of admiting him in his closest cercle of colaborators?

And whatever it is pretending that white men would be deprived of electric light just because there was not the either Edison or Latimer to achieve the first durable electric lamp is too much presomptuous, as it is to ignore all the attemps made by such praecursors like Volta or Humphry Davy who achieved to produce electric light long before Edison and without whom, Edison would hardly arrive to something.


END OF THE SECOND CHAPTER, SEE YA LATER, FLOKS

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by Manji

Logic dictates that if A isn't discovered by X then Z will discover it. Not to mention that across the globe different people at the sme time have arrived at the same conclusions...
Let me guess, if if weren't for a black man "discovering" the wheel we would still be walking everywhere.... right?

Thank you, Manji for your promptest reaction. Ancient Sumerians weren't actually black?

[Gil]

It depends on who you ask.
Arthur Kemp will say that they were nordics of the aryan persuation.
I would say they probably were similar to what we call "Orientalid", perhaps with some regular exceptions.
Just type "Sumerian" in google and you can see many different statues depicting sumerians and akkadians (the akkadians were originally a lower caste of the babylonian society that eventually got hold of power, beginning with the akkadian Sargon).

[Señor Malo]

THIRD AND LAST
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Like for most inventions related to electricity, the achievement of devices such as refrigerator & elevator were nothing but the result of a long process that begun up in the antiquity.
By 1000 BC the chinese begun to cut and store ice and and it is in XIVth century China and XVIIth century Italy that we may found the praecursors of the modern refrigerator, when they discovered that the evaporation of brine absorbed heat and therefore a container placed in brine would stay cold. By the XVIIth century englishmen used to collect ice and snow that were kept into ice houses for their use in summer times.

But is to Michael Faraday that we owe the modern version of refrigerators when he discovered that liquified ammonia caused cooling, and thanks to this discovery that Dr. John Gorrie 1855 could build the first prototype and German Carl Von Linde the first real refrigerator by 1873.
In spite of these evidences american folklore has it that in fact was afro-american engineer John Standard who invented the fridge and is hard to convince any afro-american of the contrary, even when John Standard himself estates in his patent application form that "This [speaking of his own invention]invention relates to improvements in refrigerators; and it consists of certain novel arrangements and combinations of parts."

J Standard himself provides the evidence that refrigerators already existed and that all he did is to improve those that already existed.

Samething for the elevator which was invented by Elisha Graves Otis in 1853 (steam elevators) and replaced by germans inventor's Werner von Siemens electric one from 1880 ... Afro-american inventor John Standard carried out several improvements to the electric elevators in 1887. His improvements were most essential, that's for sure, but by no way was he the very inventor of the elevator as american folklore estates.

i will not extend myself on other alleged black inventions as this monologue is becaming harassing enough, but the authors of the tale seem to overestimate the importance of black contrbutions to the inner-combustion motors and the gear shifts system and choose to ignore names such Rudolf Diesel and Gottlieb Daimler without whom, the car would simply had never existed .. or at least its invention would have come much later ...

Is not my purpose to deny the contribution of these black men to whom I'm most grateful for improving and conceiving things that I'm unable to do, but credits are credits and what they did, was for the most part make essential imporevements on devices that already existed, but they were not the inventors of the devices themselves as afro-american revisionist aims to convince themselves. What pride can they take out of a completely false and afabulated history?

I'm not racist and I cannot stand a human being suffering discrimination because of his racial or sub-racial appartainence but before going further, they should also consider that all black inventors were american, educated and raised in a western educational system. They are all descendants from balck slaves ... if their ancestors had stayed in Africa instead of being taken in the Amercias as slaves, would there have been any black invenotr....?

The debate is open

[Tiago]

It always amuses me to hear how smart and inventive is the black man. Strange then that they had to be discovered by Europeans before all this inventiveness & intelligence started to show itself.

On another note, I was once on a plane from Mexico to Florida when I overheard an American father tell his child that ice-cream had been invented in the USA! I was tempted to tell him that the Romans had had it some 2,000 years before, but what the heck.

[Gil]

Originally Posted by Tiago

I was once on a plane from Mexico to Florida when I overheard an American father tell his child that ice-cream had been invented in the USA! I was tempted to tell him that the Romans had had it some 2,000 years before, but what the heck.

That's called american arrogance (which is characterized by it's inane stupidity).
Oh, and I wonder if the same father would say "You know son, the first place on earth where AIDS started spreading like wildfire was the US!"

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by Tiago

It always amuses me to hear how smart and inventive is the black man. Strange then that they had to be discovered by Europeans before all this inventiveness & intelligence started to show itself.

On another note, I was once on a plane from Mexico to Florida when I overheard an American father tell his child that ice-cream had been invented in the USA! I was tempted to tell him that the Romans had had it some 2,000 years before, but what the heck.

As Manji had said very well, That's American Arrogance

Let me ask a question to all of you:
who invented the electric bulb (the filament electric bulb)????

Most of you, or at least the vast majority will say Thomas Alva Edison.... well...that asnwer is WRONG !!!!

The electric bulb was in fact invented by an Englishman called Joseph Swan who patented his very first electric Bulb with filament as early as 1860 (20 years before T. Edison obtained his 1st patetnt on the durable electric bulb) and in 1878 J Swan had patented an electric bulb which filament could last up to 13,6 H. Buy then, there were thousands of people all over Europe and the USA experimenting with incandescent light on filament bulbs, and that since Swan have had patented his first bulb in 1860 ... Edison was probably the first who succeeded a bulb lasting enough to be commercialized, but he was followed soon by other who had been making their experiences on their own... hadn't Edison made his discovery , another one would have done it (that sends us back to another post sent by Manji :
Logic dictates that if A isn't discovered by X then Z will discover it. Not to mention that across the globe different people at the sme time have arrived at the same conclusions...

[ÅnÐReS]

Originally Posted by searcher of truth

The electric bulb was in fact invented by an Englishman called Joseph Swan who patented his very first electric Bulb with filament as early as 1860 (20 years before T. Edison obtained his 1st patetnt on the durable electric bulb) and in 1878 J Swan had patented an electric bulb which filament could last up to 13,6 H. Buy then, there were thousands of people all over Europe and the USA experimenting with incandescent light on filament bulbs, and that since Swan have had patented his first bulb in 1860 ... Edison was probably the first who succeeded a bulb lasting enough to be commercialized, but he was followed soon by other who had been making their experiences on their own... hadn't Edison made his discovery , another one would have done it

You are right (for the most part at least). Both Swan in England and Edison in the U.S. had been experimenting with electric bulbs with filaments made of carbonized paper strips around that time. But Swan did not patent his primitive electric bulb in 1860.
In fact, he came to the conclusion (back then) that his bulb would not succeed if the last remains of air weren't eliminated with a better vacuum pump. Which came in 1865 with the invention of Hermann Sprengel's Mercury Vacuum Pump, reviving Swan's interest.

In 1883 Swan and Edison came to an agreement and created the Edison and Swan Electric Company.

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Tiago

On another note, I was once on a plane from Mexico to Florida when I overheard an American father tell his child that ice-cream had been invented in the USA!

We all know Häagen-Dazs invented ice cream.

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by ÅnÐReS

You are right (for the most part at least). Both Swan in England and Edison in the U.S. had been experimenting with electric bulbs with filaments made of carbonized paper strips around that time. But Swan did not patent his primitive electric bulb in 1860.
In fact, he came to the conclusion (back then) that his bulb would not succeed if the last remains of air weren't eliminated with a better vacuum pump. Which came in 1865 with the invention of Hermann Sprengel's Mercury Vacuum Pump, reviving Swan's interest.

In 1883 Swan and Edison came to an agreement and created the Edison and Swan Electric Company.

Yes, most what I quoted here was from memory, I did not re-check before sending this post. Yes, I knew of the Swan-Edison agreement after the trial.
It is good to have the opinion of an engeneering student (cf:profile) That proves that the black inventors myth are spreaded by people who are absolutelly analphabet in facts concerning science and technology

Originally Posted by ÅnÐReS

In fact, he came to the conclusion (back then) that his bulb would not succeed if the last remains of air weren't eliminated with a better vacuum pump. Which came in 1865 with the invention of Hermann Sprengel's Mercury Vacuum Pump, reviving Swan's interest.

Something happenend with Sikorsky and the helicopters;he had made many attemps but all failed and he finally gave up.
I understand that the success met by the spanish engeneer's De la Cierva Autogiros revived his interest by the end of the 1930's and that's when he gave to helicopters their modern shape.

I would like to ask you a question; do you have any biographical info about Raul Pescara? this engenneer is cliamed by some authors to be among the first to have succeeded in building a "pilotable" helicopter (by 1922-24) according to some web sites he was "spanish" accoridng to other he was "argentine" and in other sites he's called "marquis Raul Pateras de Pescara". Do you have any info about him?

[ÅnÐReS]

Originally Posted by searcher of truth

It is good to have the opinion of an engeneering student (cf:profile)

Gracias.

Originally Posted by searcher of truth

That proves that the black inventors myth are spreaded by people who are absolutelly analphabet in facts concerning science and technology

I doubt it. What's more, such people might very possibly know A LOT about these things (more than me, that's for sure) but, as they have an agenda, they obviously leave out certain details that don't go with their story and remark -or make up- other facts so that it looks "coherent".

Originally Posted by searcher of truth

Something happenend with Sikorsky and the helicopters;he had made many attemps but all failed and he finally gave up.
I understand that the success met by the spanish engeneer's De la Cierva Autogiros revived his interest by the end of the 1930's and that's when he gave to helicopters their modern shape.

I would like to ask you a question; do you have any biographical info about Raul Pescara? this engenneer is cliamed by some authors to be among the first to have succeeded in building a "pilotable" helicopter (by 1922-24) according to some web sites he was "spanish" accoridng to other he was "argentine" and in other sites he's called "marquis Raul Pateras de Pescara". Do you have any info about him?

Not much from what little i can remember... But later on i'll look up and see what i could find.