62% of Germans are sick of being blamed for the holocaust

[Strengthandhonour]

Europe has taken over the Holocaust

By Mark Steyn

According to a poll by the University of Bielefeld, 62 per cent of Germans are "sick of all the harping on about German crimes against the Jews" - which is an unusually robust formulation for a multiple-choice questionnaire, but at least has the advantage of leaving us in no confusion as to how things stand in this week of panEuropean Holocaust "harping on".

The old joke - that the Germans will never forgive the Jews for Auschwitz - gets truer every week. I have some sympathy for that 62 per cent.

Killing six million people is a moral stain on one's nation that surely ought to endure more than a couple of generations. But, on the other hand, almost everything else about the Germany of 60 years ago is gone - its great power status, its military machine, its aggressive nationalism, its need for lebens-raum.

The past is another country, but rarely as foreign as the Third Reich. Why should Holocaust guilt be the only enforced link with an otherwise discarded heritage? "Enforced" is the operative word. If most Germans don't feel guilty about the Holocaust, there's no point pretending they do. And that's the problem with all this week's Shoah business: it's largely a charade.

The European establishment that has scheduled such lavish anniversary observances for this Thursday presides over a citizenry that, even if one discounts the synagogue-arsonists and cemetery-desecrators multiplying across the Continent, is either antipathetic to Jews, or "sick of all the harping on", or regards solemn Holocaust remembrance as a useful card to have in the hand of the slyer, suppler forms of anti-Semitism to which Europe is now prone.

From time to time, the late Diana Mosley used to tell me how "clever" she thought the Jews were. If you pressed her to expand on the remark, it usually meant how clever they were in always keeping "the thing" - the Holocaust, as she could never quite bring herself to say - in the public eye, unlike the millions killed in the name of Communism.

This is a fair point, though not one most people are willing to entertain from a pal of Hitler. But "the thing" seems most useful these days to non-Jews as a means of demonstrating that the Israelis are new Nazis and the Palestinians their Jews.

Iqbal Sacranie, secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, has told the Home Secretary that his crowd will be boycotting Thursday's commemorations because it is racist and excludes any commemoration of the "holocaust" and "ongoing genocide" in Palestine. Ah, well. He's just some canny Muslim opportunist, can't blame the chap for trying it on.

But look at how my colleagues at The Spectator chose to mark the anniversary. They ran a reminiscence by Anthony Lipmann, the Anglican son of an Auschwitz survivor, which contained the following sentence: "When on 27 January I take my mother's arm - tattoo number A-25466 - I will think not just of the crematoria and the cattle trucks but of Darfur, Rwanda, Zimbabwe, Jenin, Fallujah."

Jenin? Would that be the notorious 2002 "Jenin massacre"? There was no such thing, as I pointed out in this space at the time, when Robert Fisk and the rest of Fleet Street's gullible sob-sisters were going around weepin' an' a-wailin' about Palestinian mass graves and Israeli war crimes. Twenty-three Israelis were killed in fighting at the Jenin camp. Fifty-two Palestinians died, according to the Israelis. According to Arafat's official investigators, it was 56 Palestinians. Even if one accepts the higher figure, that means every single deceased Palestinian could have his own mass grave and there'd still be room to inter the collected works of Robert Fisk.

Yet, despite the fact that the Jenin massacre is an obvious hallucination of Fleet Street's Palestine groupies, its rise to historical fact is unstoppable. To Lipmann, those 52-56 dead Palestinians weigh in the scales of history as heavy as six million Jews. And what's Fallujah doing bringing up the rear in his catalogue of horrors? In rounding up a few hundred head-hackers, the Yanks perpetrated another Auschwitz?

These comparisons are so absurd as to barely qualify as "moral equivalence". I'm not a Jew, though since September 11 I've been assumed to be one. Nor am I, philosophically, a Zionist. Had I been British foreign secretary, I doubt I would have issued the Balfour Declaration.

Nor am I much interested in whose land was whose hundreds or thousands of years ago. The reality is that the nation states of the region all date back to the 1930s and 1940s: the only difference is that Israel, unlike Syria and Iraq, has made a go of it.

As for the notion that this or that people "deserve" a state, that's a dangerous post-modern concept of nationality and sovereignty. The United States doesn't exist because the colonists "deserved" a state, but because they went out and fought for one. Were the Palestinians to do that, they might succeed in pushing every last Jew into the sea, or they might win a less total victory, or they might be routed and have to flee to Damascus or Wolverhampton. But, whatever the outcome, it's hard to see that they would be any less comprehensively a wrecked people than they are after spending three generations in "refugee" "camps" while their "cause" is managed by a malign if impeccably multilateral coalition of UN bureaucrats, cynical Arab dictators, celebrity terrorists and meddling Europeans whose Palestinian fetishisation seems most explicable as the perverse by-product of the suppression of their traditional anti-Semitism. Americans and Europeans will never agree on this, and the demographic reality - the Islamisation of Europe - will only widen the chasm in the years ahead. But, if I were a European Jew, I would feel this week's observances bordered on cultural appropriation. The old defence against charges of anti-Semitism was: "But some of my best friends are Jewish." As the ancient hatreds rise again across the Continent, the political establishment's defence is: "But some of our best photo opportunities are Jewish."

[Nerthus]

This is old news. Of course people are growing tired of hearing the same story over and over again.

[etoile noir]

only 62%?

and is this the same Mark Steyn from the Spectator?

[Timo]

The other 38% were either drunk/high or jewish while being polled.

[Blue Devil]

After 60 years, we can say "stop" to all this(i belive). Everyone had his own "damage" during world war 2. Germany 4 millions, jews 6 millions, russia 20 miillions and so on. Today, Entire europe should begin to FORGET.

[Dr. Solar Wolff]

I think 62% of Americans are sick of just hearing about the holocaust.

[Timo]

Originally Posted by Blue Devil

After 60 years, we can say "stop" to all this(i belive). Everyone had his own "damage" during world war 2. Germany 4 millions, jews 6 millions, russia 20 miillions and so on. Today, Entire europe should begin to FORGET.

I understand what you are saying but I disagree with forgetting. We shouldn't forget the past, but leave the past in the fucking past. What is done is done and cannot be undone.

American saying: "There is no use crying over spilled milk."

[Constantinus]

6 million? Let us assume for the sake of the argument that the conventional history about the holoco$t is correct, then those 5 million others don't matter? Looks like ethnocentrism to me... :p

[Waarnemer]

62% of Germans are sick of being blamed for the holocaust

Very understandable. It becomes clearer by the day that it is the goldmine for the jews of the 20st and 21st century... Btw I just finished the holocaust industry and I recommended to everyone, it brings a clear and refreshing view of the lies and the manipulation of the organized jew.

[Almost a Christian]

The Jews kick about Germany as if it was some type of worn football….a sort of back garden where they can kick about Germany as much as they like…this is a brief respite from managing the very profitable Anne Frank Corporation & their wholly owned subsidiaries….makes Walmart look like a petty corner shop doesn’t it?

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by CONSTANTINUS

6 million? Let us assume for the sake of the argument that the conventional history about the holoco$t is correct, then those 5 million others don't matter? Looks like ethnocentrism to me... :p

Tudjman, the first president of Croatia, in his own time said once that "Holocaust" figures are greatly exaggarted and that in WW2 about 900 000 Jews were killed in concentration camps at best....that's why Croatia was eventually isolated and he proclaimed a dicatator.

[etoile noir]

so these 62% are sick of being blamed for which holocaust? take a look at this:

Some Jewish groups wary of expanded study of genocide




January 25, 2005 BY BEN FISCHER Sun-Times Springfield Bureau
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SPRINGFIELD -- Illinois students would have to study all acts of genocide, not just the Holocaust as state law currently requires, under a proposal being pushed by two Chicago area legislators.

But some Jewish groups blasted the proposed legislation Monday, saying the plan would minimize the mass murder of European Jews and other groups by Nazi Germany in the 1930s and 1940s.

"The Holocaust -- that's capital-letter-H Holocaust -- stands as a singularly unique tragedy in the course of human history," said Richard Hirschhaut, executive director of the Holocaust Memorial Foundation in Skokie. "It represents the first instance of a highly sophisticated and technologically advanced society applying all of its resources toward the elimination of an entire people."

The 1990 Illinois Holocaust Education Mandate, championed by the foundation, was the first law in the United States to require all schools to include instruction about the Holocaust.

Massacres since the Holocaust cited





State Rep. John Fritchey (D-Chicago) has introduced a bill to amend the Illinois law to include other acts of genocide, and insert language emphasizing its recurring nature. Rep. Paul Froehlich (R-Schaumburg) signed on as a co-sponsor.

Citing modern-day atrocities committed in places like Rwanda, Cambodia and Bosnia, Fritchey said it's important to teach kids that genocide didn't end for good in 1945.

"A student walks away with one understanding if they think [genocide] is an isolated incident," Fritchey said, expressing "sincere surprise" at the plan's opposition. "They have quite a different one once they see that it's happened with a sense of disturbing regularity."

Retain the special importance





Jewish groups were careful to support the basic idea behind Fritchey's proposal, but insisted any amendments must retain the special importance of the Holocaust.

"We certainly view it as a priority that any additional genocide education, which is worthy, comes as additive, and not at the expense of Holocaust education," said Adam Schupack, spokesman for the Anti-Defamation League.

The Jewish Community Relations Council is still evaluating the bill and will be consulting with education specialists to formulate a position, director Jay Tcath said. A spokesman for the Jewish Federation of Metropolitan Chicago and Illinois was unavailable Monday.

Both Fritchey and the interest groups said they are willing to find a compromise. House Bill 312 is in the preliminary phases. Spokesmen for both House Speaker Michael Madigan (D-Chicago) and House Minority Leader Tom Cross (R-Oswego) said they would need time to study the bill before taking a position.

source - http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/...enocide25.html

[Eriugena]

Originally Posted by etoile noir

Retain the special importance

The "special importance" of the holocost is entirely bound up in its utter fraudulence. Of course it should not be studied alongside other events - Holocaust studies belongs in the same department as medieval witchcraft and UFO-ology.