Western European civilization not connected to Ancient Greece

[M.R.]

Originally Posted by Skeptikos Examiner

We were free, were living in accordance to nature which we respected as our mother. Christianity brought us empty dogmas, genocide, destruction of our cultural heritage, and serfdom!

Well, idealizing pre-Christian Germanics has somewhat always been in fashion by Germanic/German nationalists of all sorts. Again, I hope you're speaking about your people there, so I don't need to refute your statement, if this is the way you see it, fine with me, your people have a history of rejecting Catholicism and Christianity anyway.

They were the only ones still allowed to conduct themselves with such matters without fear of the inquisition and access to knowledge and education was heavily restricted.

Actually it wasn't restricted, this is just another modern-day bullshit, Europe was going trough difficult times, Christianity tried to keep it alive, and it did a good job.

It is simply the truth, their view on Christianity is probably the only thing on which I agree with the Marxists.

No, it's not the 'truth', is simple-minded propaganda, for simple-minded modern world slave.

Marxism was hostile to the way of life, believes, and the society at the time which it made its appearence and so was Christianity! Both were directed at the destruction of the foundation of society at the time when they appeared.

It's actually quite a different situation, Marxism being opposed to Catholicism by default.

The Indo-European civilzation rooted in IE-Polytheism.

Indo-European civilization? LOL! What kind of crap...

And "Christianity" "helped" us to became slaves, human-cattle, for the Jews without a fight! Oh what would Jesus do, Jesus was a Jew so we should accept them, god created all humans equal... bla bla bla!

You copied that from SF or eNut?

It was to a certain degree because those believes made us proud, sons of the gods equal to them in intelligence able to accomplish anything, not animals crested out of dirt to be obedient and humble and to serve some unreasonable dictator in heaven full of hate like the Jewish people that invented him.

Notice that I wrote that for Greek and Roman civilization of which your ancestors weren't even part of.

No it did not, no Christian nation ever came close to what the nations of the ancients were.

I think you are confusing 'nation' with 'state'. Anyway, my nation's greatest moments in history were during time when Catholicism was well alive here.

That's what you are, a slave who is supposed to pay taxes to a government which considers you as dirt, an animal in human shape, and which does anything it its power to please their masters in Tel Aviv and to replace you with third world turds for the future global third world Jewish empire of darkness to come.

I suppose that's Christianity's fault too...

[Savorgnan]

Originally Posted by Skeptikos Examiner

1. We were free, were living in accordance to nature which we respected as our mother. Christianity brought us empty dogmas, genocide, destruction of our cultural heritage, and serfdom!

2. The Indo-European civilzation rooted in IE-Polytheism.

3. And "Christianity" "helped" us to became slaves, human-cattle, for the Jews without a fight! Oh what would Jesus do, Jesus was a Jew so we should accept them, god created all humans equal... bla bla bla!

4. That's what you are, a slave who is supposed to pay taxes to a government which considers you as dirt, an animal in human shape, and which does anything it its power to please their masters in Tel Aviv and to replace you with third world turds for the future global third world Jewish empire of darkness to come.

1. Please enlight me, do you really believe in the "forces" of "mother nature"?

2. Where do you see any "Indo-European civilization" in the first place? Did you make it up recently?

3. This wins the "Nut of the Week" award, hands up.

4. Their future Empire is already crumbling. That's why "they" are so nervous in these days, trying to dismember the national territories of the (re)emerging great nations (Russia and China in first row) of the new multi-polar world.

[Skeptikos Examiner]

Originally Posted by Savorgnan

1. Please enlight me, do you really believe in the "forces" of "mother nature"?

Such a thing as nature obviously exists and it gave birth to us and all the other life on this planet. Some people are strange, rather believing in some made up mysticism than in what is real.

Originally Posted by Savorgnan

2. Where do you see any "Indo-European civilization" in the first place? Did you make it up recently?

Where do you believe we came from? Our language, our ancient believes, all those things were already developed before our ancestors arrived in Europe. IE-civilization includes all those nations and civilizations build by people of IE heritage. The majority of people in the world still speak IE languages and most contributions to science and arts are of IE origin.

Originally Posted by Savorgnan

3. This wins the "Nut of the Week" award, hands up.

If you believe you are free and live in a fee country than this award should go to you. You would really deserve it!

Originally Posted by Savorgnan

4. Their future Empire is already crumbling. That's why "they" are so nervous in these days, trying to dismember the national territories of the (re)emerging nations of the new multi-polar world.

You think so? It appear more like they are currently destroying what is left of the west since they do no longer have any need for us and their third world colonies in places like India and China make better slaves. All appears to fallow their plan with the exception of the internet which made to much people aware of what is going on.

Think of them as cattle owner which replace those cattle that have shown themselves to be rather dangerous and rebellious in the past with those cattle-races more obedient. That is how they view non-Jews and based on this Weltanschaung they direct their activities and make decisions.

[Savorgnan]

Originally Posted by Skeptikos Examiner

1. Such a thing as nature obviously exists and it gave birth to us and all the other life on this planet. Some people are strange, rather believing in some made up mysticism than in what is real.

2. Where do you believe we came from? Our language, our ancient believes, all those things were already developed before our ancestors arrived in Europe. IE-civilization includes all those nations and civilizations build by people of IE heritage. The majority of people in the world still speak IE languages and most contributions to science and arts are of IE origin.

3. If you believe you are free and live in a fee country than this award should go to you. You would really deserve it!

4. You think so? It appear more like they are currently destroying what is left of the west since they do no longer have any need for us and their third world colonies in places like India and China make better slaves. All appears to fallow their plan with the exception of the internet which made to much people aware of what is going on.

Think of them as cattle owner which replace those cattle that have shown themselves to be rather dangerous and rebellious in the past with those cattle-races more obedient. That is how they view non-Jews and based on this Weltanschaung they direct their activities and make decisions.

1. If you believe in what you just stated, then you believe in God. It's just that you won't put the real name on It.

2. I "came" mostly from Southern peri-Alpine Europe. Not from the Eurasian steppes. Anyway, our urban civilization is Semitic in origin (and before it, Sumerian). Unless you show up with a striking proof that Sargon the Great was a Nordid IE.

3. No, I don't believe in such crap, so thank you, but you can keep this award to yourself.

4. China will never follow Washingtel-Aviv orders, you surely know Napoleon's famous saying. Chinese leaders don't make differences between non-Han peoples... We're all the same Occidental crap to them.

Internet is a big "exception" (your word). Since youngsters don't watch TV any more, they all know about Masonic plotting. The rules of the game are changing, and it's way too soon to say that the Jews will be able to keep their Empire.

[Skeptikos Examiner]

Originally Posted by Savorgnan

1. If you believe in what you just stated, then you believe in God. It's just that you won't put the real name on It.

2. I "came" mostly from Southern peri-Alpine Europe. Not from the Eurasian steppes. Anyway, our urban civilization is Semitic in origin (and before it, Sumerian). Unless you show up with a striking proof that Sargon the Great was a Nordid IE.

3. No, I don't believe in such crap, so thank you, but you can keep this award to yourself.

4. China will never follow Washingtel-Aviv orders, you surely know Napoleon's famous saying. Chinese leaders don't make differences between non-Chinese peoples... We're all the same Occidental crap to them.

1. Some abstract concept of a monotonoistic god has not much to do with the naturalitic believes of the pagans. The monotheistic god of the Jews opposes nature and replaced naturalistic believes with abstract spiritualism.

2. Our urban civilization is not of Semitic origin, urban IE-civilization in places like Egypt already existed at times when the Semitic people still had to discover fire and the wheel. The first written script ever discovered is of IE origin and so are the first signs of a civilzation ever found. The IE civilzation of Egypt influenced the Greeks and the Greeks than the rest of Europe. The only Semitic element in our civilization is Christianity which is an alien element than came when civilzation here already existed.

Some scholars believe that the Vinča symbols represent the earliest form of writing ever found, predating ancient Egyptian and Sumerian writing by thousands of years.

Old European / Vinča / Danube script

Compared to Stonehenge, Britain’s most famous prehistoric site, they are humble affairs. None of the circles excavated (four out of an estimated 20) are more than 30 meters across. What makes the discovery remarkable are the carvings of boars, foxes, lions, birds, snakes and scorpions, and their age. Dated at around 9,500 BC, these stones are 5,500 years older than the first cities of Mesopotamia, and 7,000 years older than Stonehenge.

TURKEY: DISCOVERY OF 12,000-YEAR-OLD TEMPLE COMPLEX COULD ALTER THEORY OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT


3. Not believing in reality does not shield one from its influence as long as one is still a part of the physical world and therefore the award goes to you.

4. China came under Jewish control with the opium wars and is controlled by them ever since. The possessions of the non-Jews are like an ownerless desert and once acquired by a Jew they will not let go of it. Do you honestly believe they would have send most of our productive industry which produces wealth and in times of war may be used to produce war materials and all the technical know how that comes with it to China in case they would not control this nation? Sending vital industry from a nation you control to one you do not control makes no sense whatsoever. Jews like to control both sides while making it appears like a real opposition exists. The old cold war hoax all over again.

[Savorgnan]

Originally Posted by Skeptikos Examiner

1. Some abstract concept of a monotonoistic god has not much to do with the naturalitic believes of the pagans. The monotheistic god of the Jews opposes nature and replaced naturalistic believes with abstract spiritualism.

2. Our urban civilization is not of Semitic origin, urban IE-civilization in places like Egypt already existed at times when the Semitic people still had to discover fire and the wheel. The first written script ever discovered is of IE origin and so are the first signs of a civilzation ever found. The IE civilzation of Egypt influenced the Greeks and the Greeks than the rest of Europe. The only Semitic element in our civilization is Christianity which is an alien element than came when civilzation here already existed.

3. Not believing in reality does not shield one from its influence as long as one is still a part of the physical world and therefore the award goes to you.

4. China came under Jewish control with the opium wars and is controlled by them ever since. (...) Sending vital industry from a nation you control to one you do not control makes no sense whatsoever. Jews like to control both sides while making it appears like a real opposition exists. The old cold war hoax all over again.

1. Paganism is a primitive form of religious belief. Primitive means less evolved. Less evolved human spirit can't quite understand such things as an "abstract concept of a monotonoistic God" (your words, the capital "G" is mine, though).

2. "The Magic of Internet", again. Are you some kind of gold mine? IE Egyptians, I had to be on Stirpes to read this... About Greece, their only IE trait is their language. Ans about the Vindelica alphabêt, well, it is a dead end. And there si absolutely zero proof that it can have been IE. As so, the oldest written records are cuneiform Sumerian, wich are neither IE nor Semitic. Btw, Semitic was writen before any IE language (Akkadian). Or alphabêt is semitic, borrowed from the Phoenicians. But I'm sure that you have also a theory about the IE origin of the Phoenicians.

3. Do you realize that you were talking of yourself? Are you schizophrenic?

4. Like if the Jews had only made clever moves... A (hardly)crypto-Nazi like you should know that the Jews have a strong tendency towards autodestruction (even if they make other peoples "operate" this destruction).

[Skeptikos Examiner]

Originally Posted by Savorgnan

1. Paganism is a primitive form of religious belief. Primitive means less evolved. Less evolved human spirit can't quite understand such things as an "abstract concept of a monotonoistic God" (your words, the capital "G" is mine, though).


2. "The Magic of Internet", again. Are you some kind of gold mine? IE Egyptians, I had to be on Stirpes to read this... About Greece, their only IE trait is their language. Ans about the Vindelica alphabêt, well, it is a dead end. And there si absolutely zero proof that it can have been IE. As so, the oldest written records are cuneiform Sumerian, wich are neither IE nor Semitic. Btw, Semitic was writen before any IE language (Akkadian). Or alphabêt is semitic, borrowed from the Phoenicians. But I'm sure that you have also a theory about the IE origin of the Phoenicians.

3. Do you realize that you were talking of yourself? Are you schizophrenic?

4. Like if the Jews had only made clever moves... A (hardly)crypto-Nazi like you should know that the Jews have a strong tendency towards autodestruction (even if they make other peoples "operate" this destruction).

1. Abstractions are sometimes nothing but a way to hide contradictions in unnecessary complexity. The Christian believes are so illogical that abstractions are the only way to describe them that does not look silly. Monotheism is an inferior believe system because it is an expression of inferior people which expressed their own inferiority in the subservient position they put themselves in relation to their god.

2. All European are Indo-European, IE people were our ancestors. Greeks are neither African, nor Semitic, not Mongol in origin but an IE people and so most likely were the Egyptians. Even today Nordic traits like light skin and eye's may be still found in some Greeks. There are only two claims to ancient Egyptian civilization, one IE the other black African, and people that believe that those Africans which even today still live in mud huts could have build the pyramids and one of the first great civilizations need help I believe. The Tocharians mummies found in China are the clearest link between IE people and ancient Egypt. The mummies have clear Nordic/Celtic features with blond or red hair and to preserve them after death the same techniques were used the ancient Egyptians used.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS_Mt_hseNA[/media]

And I do not know of what ethnic origin the Sumerian were, but the fact that their language is not an Indo-Europe language does not necessarily mean that they were not similar in ethnic origin. Neither did the Egyptians speak an Indo-European language even thought they were most likely of similar ethnic origin.

3. hm.. I thought you were the one who does not "believe in such crap"

4. I'm not a Nazi and I'm not so sure what you are... Questionable if you really an European. Maybe partly Jew or Semitic? And it is true that Jews, like all parasites, have a tendency to self destruction but this time it appears like the cancer has already spread through the whole body and that they, consciously or unconsciously, dragging the rest of the world down with them.

[Skeptikos Examiner]

Originally Posted by M.R.

Well, idealizing pre-Christian Germanics has somewhat always been in fashion by Germanic/German nationalists of all sorts. Again, I hope you're speaking about your people there, so I don't need to refute your statement, if this is the way you see it, fine with me, your people have a history of rejecting Catholicism and Christianity anyway.


Actually it wasn't restricted, this is just another modern-day bullshit, Europe was going trough difficult times, Christianity tried to keep it alive, and it did a good job.


It's actually quite a different situation, Marxism being opposed to Catholicism by default.



Indo-European civilization? LOL! What kind of crap...




Notice that I wrote that for Greek and Roman civilization of which your ancestors weren't even part of.



I think you are confusing 'nation' with 'state'. Anyway, my nation's greatest moments in history were during time when Catholicism was well alive here.



I suppose that's Christianity's fault too...

1. In his book "The Philosophy of History", Hegel pointed out that there are three main areas in which people realize and express themselves: "the subjective work of art, that is, the culture of the man himself; — the objective work of art, i.e., the shaping of the world of divinities; — lastly, the political work of art — the form of the Constitution, and the relations of the Individuals who compose it." Christianity, and especially Catholicism, are incompatible to our own mentality for they are an expression of a totally different people and that is why Germanic people commonly rejected it in in the past and still reject it. The restrictive nature and the immature status it forces upon the people when considering their relation to their god is not acceptable for the Germanic spirit which essence is freedom.

2. Europe was not just fine but but a beacon of light and civilzation before Christianity came.

3. The new is usually opposed to the old and Marxism is just a newer version of the same Semitic poison.

4. What else would you call it? Can you call something European which had it roots outside of Europe? We are Indo-European people speaking Indo-European languages and therefore the civilzations we build were and are Indo-European in origin.

5. I'm an Indo-European and therefore I have claims to their civilization and the same goes the other way around. And Greek mythology has it roots in IE-Polytheism just like Germanic mythology. Greek mythology is just a more sophisticated version of the same mythology and believes my ancestors shared. Greeks considered Zeus to be the father of the gods and the creator of humans, Germanic people Odin. The way in which we viewed ourselves in relation to our gods was basically the same.

"The existence of similarities among the deities and religious practices of the Indo-European (IE) peoples allows glimpses of a common Proto-Indo-European (PIE) religion and mythology. This hypothetical religion would have been the ancestor of the majority of the pagan religions of Europe, and of the Indian religions as well as Zoroastrianism in Iran.

Indications of the existence of this ancestral religion can be detected in commonalities between languages and religious customs of Indo-European peoples. The scientific method of triangulation is used by historical linguists to reconstruct the names of gods and goddesses, the names and processes for religious rituals and many related elements of belief and practice. In addition, many texts relating to the Indo-European religions exist, such as mythological tales and descriptions of religious rituals, including explicit instructions on how to perform them. Archaeological evidence is difficult to match to any specific culture in the earliest period of the Indo-European culture, which is defined as the time when all Indo-European-speaking people could still understand each other and conservatively thought to be about 4000 BCE[1]. However, there is a vast amount to archaeological evidence that can be connected to specific Indo-European cultures and especially religious topics, such as temple site digs, votive offerings and inscriptions. The names of gods are often the first words we find written in each of the Indo-European languages. (From wiki)"

Proto-IE Poytheism

6. That may be true, the same probably goes for my people as well but for Europeans as a whole the era of Christianity was an era of decline. Cultural, in spirit, and in territory.

7. Christianity is a copy of Judaism but lacking all those aspects which brought the Jews to power. Christianity has lead the infected populations and nations over time to a servile state of political impotence that made us easy prey for the Jews. A revival for Europe and our race is only possible by abolishing Christianity in favor of a believe system again empowering our spirit. Emancipation from self pity, humility, and all those weaknesses propagated by Christianity that have rendered us politically impotent.

We are Aryan, sons of the gods, meant to rule this world and to serve no one so that we may at one point become gods ourselves.

[Delbáeth]

4. What else would you call it? Can you call something European which had it roots outside or Europe? We are Indo-European people speaking Indo-European languages and therefore the civilzation we build were and are Indo-European in origin.

Indo-Europeans didn't originate in Europe..



Europe.



Asia



Indo-European point of Origin.

If you want to play this game of "Christianity is alien to Europe", well one can argue the exact same about the Indo-Europeans, Indo-Europeans have done to the original faiths and cultures of European people, which you claim Christianity done to Indo-Europeans.

You know our ancestors had cultures and religions before the Indo-European peoples conception.. Why don't you worship that? Instead of worshiping something alien and foreign to your ancestors ?

[M.R.]

Originally Posted by Skeptikos Examiner

1. In his book "The Philosophy of History", Hegel pointed out that there are three main areas in which people realize and express themselves: "the subjective work of art, that is, the culture of the man himself; — the objective work of art, i.e., the shaping of the world of divinities; — lastly, the political work of art — the form of the Constitution, and the relations of the Individuals who compose it." Christianity, and especially Catholicism, are incompatible to our own mentality for they are an expression of a totally different people and that is why Germanic people commonly rejected it in in the past and still reject it. The restrictive nature and the immature status it forces upon the people when considering their relation to their god is not acceptable for the Germanic spirit which essence is freedom.

Well, I wouldn't like to preach Germanics which religion they should follow, if this is the way you see it, ok.

Europe was not just fine but but a beacon of light and civilzation before Christianity came.

Ok, here we go again, I won't go repeating myself.

The new is usually opposed to the old and Marxism is just a newer version of the same Semitic poison.

I'll pass this one.

What else would you call it? Can you call something European which had it roots outside of Europe? We are Indo-European people speaking Indo-European languages and therefore the civilzations we build were and are Indo-European in origin.

What would I call what? It doesn't exist, it's in your head. "We"? We all are part of some Indo-European 'identity' because 'we' all speak IE languages (never mind that not even all Europeans speak it)?

Do you even know what 'civilization' means? Do we have to define it for you? Even you yourself mentioned civilizations of 'IE origin', rather than a single Indo-European civilization in this post.

As for supposed "Indo-European origin", Indo-European migrations left little to no impact on our lands (except of course linguistical and on some level cultural), we are rather paleo-European.

I'm an Indo-European and therefore I have claims to their civilization and the same goes the other way around. And Greek mythology has it roots in IE-Polytheism just like Germanic mythology. Greek mythology is just a more sophisticated version of the same mythology and believes my ancestors shared. Greeks considered Zeus to be the father of the gods and the creator of humans, Germanic people Odin. The way in which we viewed ourselves in relation to our gods was basically the same.

Yes, it's just that you didn't achieve anything.

That may be true, the same probably goes for my people as well but for Europeans as a whole the era of Christianity was an era of decline. Cultural, in spirit, and in territory.

Same crap again, I'm not going to go around in circles here.

Christianity is a copy of Judaism but lacking all those aspects which brought the Jews to power.

It's getting worse...

Christianity has lead the infected populations and nations over time to a servile state of political impotence that made us easy prey for the Jews. A revival for Europe and our race is only possible by abolishing Christianity in favor of a believe system again empowering our spirit. Emancipation from self pity, humility, and all those weaknesses propagated by Christianity that have rendered us politically impotent.

...Worse and worse...

We are Aryan, sons of the gods, meant to rule this world and to serve no one so that we may at one point become gods ourselves.

...And to the point of being completly ridiculous.