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[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

You know where it hurts more, don't you?

What do you mean? I'm not sure. What hurts me more is that they are occupied by non europeans.

The etymology of the name "León" is "Legio VII". It was a Roman fortification. In time, it derived to "León", meaning lion.

Interesting word deformation. It's funny because they even took a Lion for symbol.

Or "Castella" in Catalan. In Occitan languages it is "Castelha", and so it is in Portuguese.

"Castela" is certainly a copyist's spelling mistake.

I think that it was Menéndez Pidal too who speculated that the name "Catalunya" shares a similar origin. Small fortresses, castles, were spread throughout the landscapes of the so called lands of frontier, and the frontiers were constantly in the move.

Isn't "Catalunya" supposed to mean the land of the Goth ("Gotolunia"). One more legend?

I can't find as many homonymous as Der Elsasser.

[Carnyx]

Damn, my patronym is rare and about to be extinct... I'd better make a lot of sons. Good news : I can join the "nordish" club...

[Menydh]

Your avatar is Klaus Kinsky in the role of Aguirre, right? Klaus Kinsky I think he is a Jew.

Originally Posted by M.Duchemin

What do you mean? I'm not sure. What hurts me more is that they are occupied by non europeans.

Nothing, just that. That it is there where it hurts most.

Interesting word deformation. It's funny because they even took a Lion for symbol.

Many are deformations. Zaragoza -> Saragossa -> Caesar Augusta.

"Castela" is certainly a copyist's spelling mistake.

In this area there were many such "mistakes" with surnames. Many as Pujol are now castellanised as Puchol.

Isn't "Catalunya" supposed to mean the land of the Goth ("Gotolunia"). One more legend?

A Legend as far as I know. At first it was called "Marca Gothica" by the Franks. But that was short lived and refered to Septimania and Northern Catalunya (Roselló). Soon it was called "Marca Hispanica". The name Catalunya came later.

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Your avatar is Klaus Kinsky in the role of Aguirre, right? Klaus Kinsky I think he is a Jew.

Really?... I didn't know. Hmm, I've chosen it because of the movie and Loppe de Aguirre, not for Kinsky himself (even if he is good in this movie). To me it's just the "conquitador spirit".

Nothing, just that. That it is there where it hurts most.

Yes, it's very painful.

In this area there were many such "mistakes" with surnames. Many as Pujol are now castellanised as Puchol.

Hmm, there's another famous southern name : Pratt, Pradel (meadow if I'm not wrong)... And Pratt is Catalan too, no?

A Legend as far as I know. At first it was called "Marca Gothica" by the Franks. But that was short lived and refered to Septimania and Northern Catalunya (Roselló). Soon it was called "Marca Hispanica". The name Catalunya came later.

It's a legend hawked by many people, teachers including.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by M.Duchemin

Hmm, there's another famous southern name : Pratt, Pradel (meadow if I'm not wrong)... And Pratt is Catalan too, no?

Yes, Prat (only one 't').

Also, I believe that surnames ending with "au" in this area, like "Arnau", have an Occitan origin. Though this is just speculation by judging how most words which in Catalan end with "al", in Gascon (and other Occitan languages too) end with "au".

By the way, it is Lope, with only one 'p'.

[Perun]

I got only three results for my last name, none of which live in my area and have no relation to.

I did however find quite alot of finds for my grandmother's maiden name in Galicia, Ukraine(though they say its in Austria when it was only ruled by Austria) and elsewhere around America. Oddly I also found results in France for my grandfather's name(my Ukrainian grandfather that is).

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Also, I believe that surnames ending with "au" in this area, like "Arnau", have an Occitan origin. Though this is just speculation by judging how most words which in Catalan end with "al", in Gascon (and other Occitan languages too) end with "au".

Hmm, it could be. I've often met this, f.e. the train station in Toulouse (Matabiau). I've others example in mind : Bramabiau (ox's shout), Brostau (bud), Casau (Casa), Catafau , Castelnau (new castle). Hard to say since a lot of name are "francized".

Originally Posted by Perun

I got only three results for my last name, none of which live in my area and have no relation to.

I did however find quite alot of finds for my grandmother's maiden name in Galicia, Ukraine(though they say its in Austria when it was only ruled by Austria) and elsewhere around America. Oddly I also found results in France for my grandfather's name(my Ukrainian grandfather that is).

One can find a few "white russians" descents here and a lot of french of polish origin. But Ukrainian it is rather rare indeed.

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by Perun

I got only three results for my last name, none of which live in my area and have no relation to.

Didn't you find something abouy your French Canadian ancestror ?

Oddly I also found results in France for my grandfather's name(my Ukrainian grandfather that is).

Yes some Ukrainians emigrated to France during the Famine in Ukraine (1932-33), that's the case of a friend of mine as well. What's the date for this result ?

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by M.Duchemin

Hmm, it could be. I've often met this, f.e. the train station in Toulouse (Matabiau). I've others example in mind : Bramabiau (ox's shout), Brostau (bud), Casau (Casa), Catafau , Castelnau (new castle). Hard to say since a lot of name are "francized".

Bramabiau - Bram, bramul
But it is not those words. I can see how the noise that oxen do can derive into that. And in Castelnau, 'nau' (nou, new) derives from Latin 'novum'.

It is more words like Ostau (Ostal), Casau (Casal, not Casa), Generau (General), Provençau (Provençal).

[Strengthandhonour]

I found one match in Northern Italy, near the French border. I contacted the guy for more details. Apparently, we had discovered that our family had migrated from the north to the south a long long long long long time ago. But apparently this guy might be able to provide me with more information since he seems to have a big family tree that goes back hundreds of years.

[Perun]

Originally Posted by M.Duchemin

One can find a few "white russians" descents here and a lot of french of polish origin. But Ukrainian it is rather rare indeed.

Well being Polish and being Ukrainian is sometimes intertwined, especially in Galicia where my family originated.

[Perun]

Originally Posted by Der Elsasser

Didn't you find something abouy your French Canadian ancestror ?

Not yet. I'll have to ask my grandmother for her maiden name.

Yes some Ukrainians emigrated to France during the Famine in Ukraine (1932-33), that's the case of a friend of mine as well. What's the date for this result ?

The dates are 1916-1990. Well there were Russian/Czech/Polish forces fighting for the French during WW1, in fact the Polish soldiers would go on to form themselves into Haller\'s Blue Army that would fight in the Ukraine during the Russian Civil War.

[Awar]

Damn, my surname is also only represented by one guy in Belgrade, and about 50 people in France.

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Perun

Well being Polish and being Ukrainian is sometimes intertwined, especially in Galicia where my family originated.

History of eastern countries is definitely complex.

Damn, my surname is also only represented by one guy in Belgrade, and about 50 people in France.

Eveywhere, everywhere!