Montenegrin surnames and clans

[Vojvoda]

http://www.montenegro.org.au/prezimena.html

[White Falcon]

LOL , I am Montenegrin.

[Awar]

Unless it's a name-based surname, it could also be one of those surnames
which originated ( and dispersed ) before the rigid split on 'Croats' and 'Serbs'.

[White Falcon]

It's not a name based surname.

[White Falcon]

My surname in google is 90% Croatian , specially emigrants to South America,
also from this site , it's from area where Croatian majority once existed.

I can track my last name and it didn't come from that area.

So... it could be dispersed with what was called Red Croatia at the time.

[Awar]

Well, google is hardly a good source for genealogy

[White Falcon]

Originally Posted by Awar

Well, google is hardly a good source for genealogy

http://www.phora.org/forum/showpost....&postcount=128

Originally Posted by Awar

If you were of noble E3b-alpha lineage, perhaps you would know how to use google

[Gesta Bellica]

some looks like Italian (Venetan) surnames...

[Awar]

Originally Posted by Gesta Bellica

some looks like Italian (Venetan) surnames...

Some really are, others are just based on similar names,
and some Italian surnames have to do with Montenegrins who moved to Italy before the 20th century.

[Gesta Bellica]

Originally Posted by Awar

Some really are, others are just based on similar names,
and some Italian surnames have to do with Montenegrins who moved to Italy before the 20th century.

Well yes, some might be definitely slavic surname that look similar while some like "Furlan" are really tipically italian.
Moreover some slavic names have been italianized with time, a thing that was common expecially in the Trieste/Gorizia area but that was applied everywhere.

What about those Montenegrins who moved to Italy before the last century? it's not clear to me why they wer eincluded there..unless they moved back to Montenegro

[Awar]

Originally Posted by Gesta Bellica

Well yes, some might be definitely slavic surname that look similar while some like "Furlan" are really tipically italian.
Moreover some slavic names have been italianized with time, a thing that was common expecially in the Trieste/Gorizia area but that was applied everywhere.

I think the Furlan surname might have to do something with a local ethnicity
in the Alps... something like a remnant of Venets, or Romanized Celts ( like the Reto-Romans ).

What about those Montenegrins who moved to Italy before the last century? it's not clear to me why they wer eincluded there..unless they moved back to Montenegro

I mean, the surnames which became "typical" Italian surnames might have
an origin which isn't Italian. Thus, both the versions exist, the Original version of the surname, in its homeland, and the Italianized version.

Just like there are Montenegrins of Venetian origin, some who preserved their Slavicized Venetic surname, even though the original surname was extinct in Italy.

[Gesta Bellica]

Originally Posted by Awar

I think the Furlan surname might have to do something with a local ethnicity
in the Alps... something like a remnant of Venets, or Romanized Celts ( like the Reto-Romans ).

Right, indeed the word Furlan is related to the ancient population of what is roughly the actual italian region of "Friuli" , they have their own dialect that is of rreto-roman origins and sometiems considered a separated languages liek Ladin and the like..
and Furlan is a quite common family name in that region and in the bordering Veneto as it simply labels "somebody from Friuli, Friulan".

Originally Posted by Awar

I mean, the surnames which became "typical" Italian surnames might have
an origin which isn't Italian. Thus, both the versions exist, the Original version of the surname, in its homeland, and the Italianized version.

Just like there are Montenegrins of Venetian origin, some who preserved their Slavicized Venetic surname, even though the original surname was extinct in Italy.

Surely there was a genetical exchange between Veneto/Friuli and the former Jugoslavian area so i dare to say it's a sure thing, in the same way we have Slavic family names that were roughly adapted to Italian and therefore lost their links with their Slavic counterparts.

[Awar]

I meant to say that most likely to find these Romanized Slavic and Slavicized Italian surnames is probably in the Northeast Italy, and the Southeast, both areas close to
Slavic populations. Like Trieste and Bari

Interesting aside. There are two Italian families which I've seen who live in this area,
namely Minardi and Ferrari

[Gesta Bellica]

Originally Posted by Awar

I meant to say that most likely to find these Romanized Slavic and Slavicized Italian surnames is probably in the Northeast Italy, and the Southeast, both areas close to
Slavic populations. Like Trieste and Bari

For what i know more Trieste and Gorizia (Gorica) than Bari, even if i heard that there were some croat villages in the Puglia region (Apulia)
But more than else there are some old Albanians colony

Originally Posted by Awar

Interesting aside. There are two Italian families which I've seen who live in this area,
namely Minardi and Ferrari

LOL beware..the next to come might be Trulli and Fisichella families

[Vojvoda]

Originally Posted by Gesta Bellica

Well yes, some might be definitely slavic surname that look similar while some like "Furlan" are really tipically italian.

Really? Vlachs, or the Romanized aboriginal population, in Serbia have surnames that end with the suffix 'an.' I've noticed that with other surnames from the western Balkans as well.

[Nadvojvoda Janez Kranjski]

Originally Posted by Vožd

Really? Vlachs, or the Romanized aboriginal population, in Serbia have surnames that end with the suffix 'an.' I've noticed that with other surnames from the western Balkans as well.

I am rather sure that "Furlan" is a (Slovenian) name for someone who came from the region of Friuli. That's what I read at least some time ago.

[Nadvojvoda Janez Kranjski]

A few notes about another name that appears in the database:

"Tako kot z verovanji nasploh, ljudje ne morejo vedeti, da se pojavi priimek Babič najprej v Trstu, potem v slovenskem prostoru in šele 200 let pozneje v Srbiji!"

"...the surname Babič first appears in Trieste, then in the Slovenian territory and only 200 years later in Serbia!"

http://www.mladina.si/tednik/200420/...ernard_nezmah/

[Awar]

Yes, here's actress Mira Furlan, she's obviously Slovenian

[Vojvoda]

Originally Posted by Nadvojvoda Janez Kranjski

A few notes about another name that appears in the database:

"Tako kot z verovanji nasploh, ljudje ne morejo vedeti, da se pojavi priimek Babič najprej v Trstu, potem v slovenskem prostoru in šele 200 let pozneje v Srbiji!"

"...the surname Babič first appears in Trieste, then in the Slovenian territory and only 200 years later in Serbia!"

http://www.mladina.si/tednik/200420/...ernard_nezmah/

Slouenez?