Are Nordic/Germanic members backseat passengers here?

[Savage]

Are Nordic/Germanic members backseat passengers here in Stirpes?

Link to the ongoing debate

Ok, let us see what the members think about it.

I made this poll open, so anyone can see who voted what. After, the analysis of the answers shall be interesting reading. Perhaps the quest fall to earth?

And perhaps we shall see very interesting patterns of who voting what. On this poll, expect an anlysis afterwards.

Ok, lets dance!

[Menydh]

Your argument is fake, for the following reasons:

You equate Northern European to Pagan and all others to Christian. Therefore stripping Northern Europeans of Christian faith from the right to their Northern European heritage. And Southern and Eastern Europeans who are Pagans, Pantheists, etc., to their right to their heritages.

There is a sub-forum Religion & Theology/Indigenous/Heathenry for the discussion of Northern European Paganism. Just like there is one for R & T/Christianity/Catholicism, or R & T/Christianity/Orthodox Church, or R & T/Indigenous/Slavianstvo, or R & T/Indigenous/Ancient Mediterranean. I can't see any post of yours in Heathenry, so I have to wonder what all this rant is about. If you feel that the name "Heathenry" is wrong then perhaps you should suggest a more appropriate one instead of constructing this pseudo-debate.

In any case, religion is secondary to Stirpes orientation. Which is political.

Starting to count after the initial founding members of Staff, new Staff members are chosen according to their personality character and political orientation, and trying to balance a representation of both the nations of Europe and the active Stirpes population. Not their religious allegiance. We cannot have any Icelandic Pagan simply because there is none active. The day this changes in the member base it will be reflected in the Staff too.

To summarize, no one nation or group of nations is relegated to the background nor should any expect to receive a granted status a few days after landing on Stirpes.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Your argument is fake, for the following reasons:

You equate Northern European to Pagan and all others to Christian. Therefore stripping Northern Europeans of Christian faith from the right to their Northern European heritage.

These have received Jesus as their saviour, and that excludes any other gods according to the 1.command?
So the christians have excluded themselves from a share in our genuine spiritual heritage, not me.

Or should we in good christian tradition be double moralistic, and pretend that it is possible to both eat the cake, and still keep it?

The christians have made a choice, and that has a price. They are not within, or able to look into genuine Nordic/Germanic spiritual heritage, as they have refused that, to instead follow a jewish prophet.

Of course they insist they are able to themselves, but that is fake.

And I do not have the slightest idea what Northern European Paganism is? It has nothing to do with Nordic/ Germanic heritage, but are a term used by christians on non christians, not for the blink of a second acceptable as term for one of the most important and largest genuine European spiritual traditions.

And I never use the defunct terms "pagan" or "heathen".

There is a sub-forum Religion & Theology/Indigenous/Heathenry for the discussion of Northern European Paganism. Just like there is one for R & T/Christianity/Catholicism, or R & T/Christianity/Orthodox Church, or R & T/Indigenous/Slavianstvo, or R & T/Indigenous/Ancient Mediterranean. I can't see any post of yours in Heathenry,

"Heathenry" and "Paganism" has nothing to do with Nordic/ Germanic spiritual heritage, but are christian terms on things they do not understand, and are not a part of.

. If you feel that the name "Heathenry" is wrong then perhaps you should suggest a more appropriate one instead of constructing this pseudo-debate.

And this is not?

Originally Posted by Thore Hund

An European forum?

The subforum is named "Heathen", and that term does not fit. We are not heathen. Some of us have many gods....

Perhaps a more precise and correct term in this context would be Nordic/Germanic, and with a Sami subforum.

instead of constructing this pseudo-debate.

A pseudodebate it would have been if I were the only one recognizing the issue.
But in this context, the term "pseudodebate" are only good for stigmatizing this debate. Unless the course is announced, and already set for the Mediterrean, then the debate would have been a pseudodebate.

In any case, religion is secondary to Stirpes orientation. Which is political.

That is not my impression.

Starting to count after the initial founding members of Staff, new Staff members are chosen according to their personality character and political orientation, and trying to balance a representation of both the nations of Europe and the active Stirpes population. Not their religious allegiance. We cannot have any Icelandic Pagan simply because there is none active. The day this changes in the member base it will be reflected in the Staff too.

With the unbalance in the staff section, I cannot imagine how it should attract any number of ressourcestrong Nordics/Germanics? Rather conteary. And that is one of the reasons for initiating this debate.

To summarize, no one nation or group of nations is relegated to the background nor should any expect to receive a granted status a few days after landing on Stirpes.

Which neither is the question. The question is if Stirpes want to be a southern European forum, or an all-European forum. In the latter case, there must be taken in representants into the staff that represents the strongest currents.

But of course, that depends on the course Stirpes set, at this times of changes... I am just checking out which course we can expect. And as an waken passenger, I like to know where this ship is heading..

[Carnyx]

I am not N/G, and say no.

You are at home here as well as any other European ethnos groups are.

[Strengthandhonour]

You know Thorehund, We are not stupid here, this administration team see's excactly what you want. You are launching your small assault here in order for you to be made moderator. You are using all of this in hopes that we nominate a Norse man who is not a catholic/christian as a member of the staff.
So far however, if there was ever any chance of you becoming a member of the staff, you have removed all possibilities of that happening any time soon with your recent behaviors and attacks.

[Faísca]

If you Northerners/Germanics feel like you are backseat passengers here it is because you want to. Be more active, participate more, etc, etc...

[Cyrax]

I see several prominent northern European members here.

[Gil]

From the top of my mind, alot of them stopped posting not because they didn't like Stirpes but for other, "real life" reasons, namely

Bayerisches Mädchen, Phlegeton, Katera, Prussian, Siegmund, Timo.... and many others.

[Faísca]

Originally Posted by Gil

From the top of my mind, alot of them stopped posting not because they didn't like Stirpes but for other, "real life" reasons, namely

Bayerisches Mädchen, Phlegeton, Katera, Prussian, Siegmund, Timo.... and many others.

BM left for others reasons other than real life, in which none included feeling a backseat passenger, at least as far as I know. She is still among the persons towards I hold the highest esteem.

Ohh, and Katera is Croatian, I wouldn't say it is a Germanic nation (per se, at least), moreover Nordic.

[Gil]

Originally Posted by Faísca

Ohh, and Katera is Croatian, I wouldn't say it is a Germanic nation (per se, at least), moreover Nordic.

Well Mr.Faísca, I didn't say they were Nordic or Germanic... I didn't specifiy because some fit into one classification or both...

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Strengthandhonour

You know Thorehund, We are not stupid here, this administration team see's excactly what you want. You are launching your small assault here in order for you to be made moderator. You are using all of this in hopes that we nominate a Norse man who is not a catholic/christian as a member of the staff.
So far however, if there was ever any chance of you becoming a member of the staff, you have removed all possibilities of that happening any time soon with your recent behaviors and attacks.

I understand you are sore cause I first blocked you from my MSN, and when you did not understand the hint, I simply deleted you.

It was not intended to be rude with you, but I have plenty adult and professional people that I need to communicate with, and I must priorize.

Personal communication with teenagers are only interesting if it is luminent and intelligent.

But no, as youbelieve you can claim, I am not obliged to answer to your messages. I am not your mother.

And since you are out of intelligent arguments, you instead made the whole posting quoted, a personal attack, projecting stupid intentions at me!

But I understand why you desperately cling to the established structure, and that you feel my proposal as a threath.

Not very impressive. You will need plenty defend on this from your friends.

And if you were not a mod, I would have been more precise than just calling this posting/personal attack of yours, imbesile, unitelligent and childish.


But isolated, yes ,there should be a handful of mods from north.

[Strengthandhonour]

ahh thorehund,
first of all, I contacted you via MSN to speak of this matter better. I don't really care if you talk to me or not, are you going to take the "I am older than you therefore better thn you route"?If so go ahead.
No one is listening to your rambling anymore. If you claim I am so stupid, then why do so many members of this forum think you are a bipolar?I dont see any of your proposal as a threat, no one at this forum is changing their life for you. So keep on fighting, for a cause that dosnt exsist here. And I dont think I need any friends from you..and by this
And if you were not a mod, I would have been more precise than just calling this posting/personal attack of yours, imbesile, unitelligent and childish.

you just opened up the chances to get banned and warned. assaulting a staff member wont be tolerated. first warning

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Strengthandhonour

And if you were not a mod, I would have been more precise than just calling this posting/personal attack of yours, imbesile, unitelligent and childish.

you just opened up the chances to get banned and warned. assaulting a staff member wont be tolerated. first warning

I repeat, an unintelligent, imbesile and childish posting.

That you have become mod does not make your scribblings any smarter. Or important...
And your not so enlighted personal attacs, are, and becomes stoopid personal attacks, even if you are a part of the staff.

And I simply do not care if I get banned, I got a real life, no problem. Actually I think it is time for me to leave, so do me a favor?

[Strengthandhonour]

And so it is. Perhaps now since you have a "real" life, you can find some people who you share ideas with there. Enjoy your real life, and your request will be fulfiled.