An European forum?

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by dorje

besides, when are we going to differ between germanic and scandinavian/nordic? germanic is such an ugly word, and I really don't feel any connection to germans. where I come from, we've always hated the germans. not that I do, but...

That would make an interesting discussion. But, while I could give my view from my own experiences and observations, it would still be the point of view of an outsider. Same with other non Scandinavian or Germans here. It would be needed a fair number of Scandinavians and Germans to take on that issue.

Originally Posted by Batzec

Let's see; Southern Europeans, Slavs, just the European People who has been slandered on Skadi.

That is correct. However, it must also be said that in general it was not Scandinavians who were involved in the slanders. The whole issue was promoted by an individual from the German far South with mostly Americans joining in the orgy.

What would Americans know or care about Europe, the diversity of its ethnic and national identities, or of an urgent and necessary euro-wide political strategy? Nothing. Ignorant and careless. Obviously neither does the promoter, unfortunately an European.

If German Nationalists are represented by the spirit promoted by Skadi and its owner, although unfortunate, they are in their right to side with Americans instead of with other Europeans. Though they have no right to deceive Europeans by advertising as pro-European to attract other Europeans and leave them at the mercy of sick lunatic Americans and other Anglo-Colonials. That is what in Skadi defines as "Free Speech". Well.. their freedom ends there where the freedom of the Europeans starts.

[Whiteruthenian]

Originally Posted by Thore Hund

Does Stirpes intend to be an European forum or a southern European forum?

I would say I feel some lack of members from North/East Europe but I don’t blame anybody for it and I still hope they are more active.

I hope that comrade Thore Hund is banned temporarily, isn’t he?

[Sergius]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

That would make an interesting discussion. But, while I could give my view from my own experiences and observations, it would still be the point of view of an outsider. Same with other non Scandinavian or Germans here. It would be needed a fair number of Scandinavians and Germans to take on that issue.

well, I suppose that I am not the right person to discuss this either, but in my experience, danes consider germans as foreign as southern europeans. for them, germany will always be closely linked with 1864, hitler and imperialism, which is very foreign to scandinavian 'hygge*'mentality. "they're brute, fat sausage-eaters with no eye for beauty."

*) infamous danish word. "cannot be translated."
from danish wikipedia (sorry, best source I could come up with for this word): "hygge is a word that is said to exist in only danish and norwegian, and which is strongly related to this danish national character. [...] the noun hygge cannot be defined in few words. it can involve, for instance, something pleasant, relaxed, safe and rezognizable.
[...]
* it's hyggeligt to see you.
* how hyggeligt your house is!
* come and visit our store with lots of julehygge!
* I will go home and hygge with painting my apartment."

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by dorje

well, I suppose that I am not the right person to discuss this either, but in my experience, danes consider germans as foreign as southern europeans. for them, germany will always be closely linked with 1864, hitler and imperialism, which is very foreign to scandinavian 'hygge*'mentality. "they're brute, fat sausage-eaters with no eye for beauty."

That's what I've observed and experienced too. Especially from a Dane who grew up seeing many Germans around as his mother's family owned a touristic camping area. Apparently German tourists have not helped to put behind 1864 and Hitler.

The groupings in barely-racial meta-ethnicities does not seem to work very well. One should not forget what happened to many of the children born out of the Lebensborn programme in Scandinavia after Germany retreated. In the end, it is nationhood what people feel as natural.

[Batzec]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

That is correct. However, it must also be said that in general it was not Scandinavians who were involved in the slanders. The whole issue was promoted by an individual from the German far South with mostly Americans joining in the orgy.

Yep, Scandinavians prove, again, to be very civilized people; ironically being the racial ideal for the yankee wannabie-aryans .

What would Americans know or care about Europe, the diversity of its ethnic and national identities, or of an urgent and necessary euro-wide political strategy? Nothing. Ignorant and careless. Obviously neither does the promoter, unfortunately an European.

I think the problem here comes from the multinational European heritage of the "white" Americans. In their egocentrism they want to export their model to their "white" brothers beyond the Ocean,of course in addition to their great ignorance in general aspects of the world itself. They could have an excuse, but they lose their right when giving lessons of "pureness" to others.

If German Nationalists are represented by the spirit promoted by Skadi and its owner, although unfortunate, they are in their right to side with Americans instead of with other Europeans. Though they have no right to deceive Europeans by advertising as pro-European to attract other Europeans and leave them at the mercy of sick lunatic Americans and other Anglo-Colonials. That is what in Skadi defines as "Free Speech". Well.. their freedom ends there where the freedom of the Europeans starts.

Well, I must say, in favour of Skadi, that I saw some valuable and decent people there (I remember Agrippa, Bayerisches Mädchen, Visigodo; sorry for the forgotten ones.) Besides, I think it's probable Skadi have other virtues that we, as "Southerners", can't appreciate. Please, nordic people, could you explain?
Perhaps it is a question of time that more Northern fellows come to Stirpes, people who don't want to be sponsored by retarded "white" Americans.

I hope so.

[Aptrgangr]

Originally Posted by vascongado

Oks, you're right. Sorry !

Originally Posted by vascongado

Yes. But the Catholic Church was anti-NS because German Catholics supported to his own political party (Conservative and Catholic).

Again no. Neither the Catholic church nor the Protestants were anti-NS in general. After all parties except NSDAP were outlawed many Christians joined NSDAP. There was a clerical resistance, without a doubt, but in fact most tried to cooperate. Hitler did not allow many of his high-ranking ministers like Goebebls to leave church.

Originally Posted by vascongado

Yes. But I think the Kulturkampf was one of the first national movements in Germany. About the Protestant supremacism, yes, it's true, Von Bismarck was a terrible anticatholic (he was a good junker ).

I am not sure Kulturkampf was a national movement. I was started to fight Socialdemocrats and to make the central government in Berlin stronger. This Kulturkampf was even inpopular with Protestants from the southern part of Germany since they feared territorries like Württemberg, Baden or Alsace etc. could just be treated like Prussian colonies. Lorraine and Alsace e.g. in fact were treated like colonies...

Originally Posted by vascongado

Uhm... It sounds to protestant churches, not Catholic, not?

The so-called Catholic left has much influence here, so I must disappoint you, not only Protestants show liberal tendencies. My ancestors e.g. were more or less fundamentalistic Protestants, they considered Catholics as easy-goers.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

That was true in the [South] West with the Catholic Church and in the [North and South] East with the Orthodox Churches.

You probably won't believe it, but a small number of Protestants also is proud they have ancestors that fought against Turks.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

The point is correct with the exception of the Traditionalist Catholic.

Roman-Catholics, Yes. But those Traditionalist Roman Catholics even lost their influence in their strongholds in southern Europe - I do not need to tell you that.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I, for one, would be interested in hearing your thoughts about it, even if you are still unsure.

Well, I never hide my thoughts.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

To me, it is beyond belief that Germans are unable to define their nation and to develop a high nationalist ideal without Hitler and his National Socialism. It is as if there was no nation before Hitler and there cannot be a nation after him. Nationalism in Germany seems to be stagnated.

It seems it is not possible to develop this high ideal! After NPD rallies along with Muslims and more and more gives in to leftwing-NS Germany will remain without a mentionable rightwing movement/political party. Regarding to Germany's nationalism - it is the less devoloped country in Europe in this matter I would say.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

P.S. By the way.. Occidental soil? Been exposed to some Anglo-American influenced group/forum lately?

I know what you want to say - I often use the word "Occidental" because everyone knows what is meant and I want to avoid to type something like Holy Roman Empire of German Nation, Austro-Hungarian Empire, Serbia, the Italian States etc.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Aptrganga

You probably won't believe it, but a small number of Protestants also is proud they have ancestors that fought against Turks.

I do distiniguish between Lutherans and Calvinists if that concerns you.

Roman-Catholics, Yes. But those Traditionalist Roman Catholics even lost their influence in their strongholds in southern Europe - I do not need to tell you that.

That's right.

In any case, the Catholic Church has been infiltrated by Freemasonry since long and they have managed to destroy the institution. Nowadays the Catholic Church is no longer the repository of Spirituality that it was for long for Catholics. The same thing happens the Orthodox and Lutheran Churches.

However this is true, it is still not a reason to insult the beliefs of Christians who are the most aflicted by it. definitely not in the name of some ancient gods and under the [false] pretext of representing that ancient Spirituality. If it is true that Chrisitians at some point persecuted Pagans, it is also true that before that Pagans slaughtered Christians. Victimism under false pretexts don't give much credibility.

Further, the accusation of Christianism being not a European Spirituality and of being a Middle East religion is shortsighted and apallingly ignorant.

For a start, if Christianism had arrived to Rome as a Middle East religion, do you really believe that it would have got as far as it did? Instead, when it arrived in Rome it had already absorbed much of the Greek Philosophical thoughts. As Christianism advanced throughout Europe, it kept absorbing more and more of the indigenous beliefs and spiritualities. Not only in the internal but also in the external. But the time it had settled as the main religion, it had nothing left from the Middle East except for the tale part of it.

Also, one must not ignore that Europe as such did not exist. The Roman Empire is pre-Europe. Europe is born from Christendom. Later on, Christendom continues being the glue and the guide for the construction of the future Europe. If the ancient pantheons were the Proto-History of Europe, Christianism was the History. Like Christianism substituted a world in chaos and decadence and absorbed the Indo-European beliefs and spirituality through absorption, so did these Indo-European religions presumably substitute and absorbed beliefs which were more ancient, Paleo-European.

In the end, the quest for a European Spirituality from ancient is not to be found by unearthing mummified religions, but it is to be found in the religion which absorbed those spiritual beliefs and took them into a long process of evolution... all the way to decay. The problem, however, is that the institutionalisation of the Christian churches and their decadence have left Europeans without spiritual guidance. And so we are immerse in a world of extreme confusion where the lunatic freaks and the unscrupulous alike thrive offering the people gone religions which have been long dead and empty of any real spiritual guidance (e.g. all of these New Age Pagans) or new religions coming from the outer space in the most bizarre forms.

Involutive formulas are roads to the death of spirituality, and in consequence to the death of the European man. People need an evolutive spirituality, and that is not going to be attained by taking any long dead religion of the past as a starting point. It misses 2,000 years of evolution.

Personally, I believe in an evolutions towards a formula of Agnosticism taking the old spiritual baggage as a starting point. Which is why I define myself a Christian Agnostic. But I am not one from the Caste of the priests, so at the end of the day I can only share my thoughts and discuss them.

[AngelRipper]

Originally Posted by Whiteruthenian

I would say I feel some lack of members from North/East Europe but I don’t blame anybody for it and I still hope they are more active.

I hope that comrade Thore Hund is banned temporarily, isn’t he?

'Tis true that we are too many

[Strengthandhonour]

Originally Posted by Whiteruthenian

I would say I feel some lack of members from North/East Europe but I don’t blame anybody for it and I still hope they are more active.

I hope that comrade Thore Hund is banned temporarily, isn’t he?

The "comrade" thore hund was not banned temporarily. Soon, a thread will be posted in the "bans and shuns section" of the site regarding the reasons for his banning.

[kyashan]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

You are right. You are not the right person. I'll show you why.

Since even before starting Stirpes one of the main aims was to provide an environment free of the burden of the much distorted views on Europe of the peoples of The Americas. This is a fact highlighted in the introduction to Stirpes.

While not all the Americans are absolutely the same, the reality is that keeping the American masses at bay has been detrimental in quantity. In contrast it has been incremental in quality.

The admittance of Americans has been limited and random, and what has been asked to those admitted is --at the very least-- to keep a low profile and to show due respect.

said.So you are right in that you are not the right person to say. As someone from The Americas, your rights are limited by the above So, why don't you just abide to the forum requirements instead of whining?

Incidentally, I am a Christian Agnostic. Which means that I am an Agnostic by belief.

Stop saying "a friend of mine" and do name the individual. Right now I recall one who was banned by a former Staff member who was a non Christian German. I have the feeling that you refer to that one.

Just in case that at this point you have not yet understood it, Americans are required to keep a low profile and stay away from issues which are of concern only this side of the Atlantic. Your complaints are therefore unjustified and consequently simply unnecessary whinings.

By the way, one of the members of the Staff is a Basque.

I have to agree that sometimes, some american posters on anthropology boards can be kind of annoying. I had a couple of "altercations" with that guy called "Racial Retardality" or something, well-known for posting random pics and random quotes in order to promote his own agenda.
I found it funny being lectured about Italy by this bloke who supposedly has never been here and has no more connection with this country other than a part of his ancestry, which gives him not that much credit to talk with enough knowledge about the topic.
On an other hand, I think it's fine that people from the Americas feel the need to relate with their fatherlands, even though with ingenuity and boldness.

[Exeter]

Stirpes is the only intelligent, high quality forum left for people who seek a rational discussion with others who want nothing more than European progress. Stirpes has my full support.

I think the Skadi owner called himself Libertarian. It sounds more like an American, than a native European ideology.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

If German Nationalists are represented by the spirit promoted by Skadi and its owner, although unfortunate, they are in their right to side with Americans instead of with other Europeans. Though they have no right to deceive Europeans by advertising as pro-European to attract other Europeans and leave them at the mercy of sick lunatic Americans and other Anglo-Colonials. That is what in Skadi defines as "Free Speech". Well.. their freedom ends there where the freedom of the Europeans starts.

[Valgeir]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

The worse enemy is not the immigrant. The immigrant is only the easiest to spot. By order of importance the worse enemies for Nationalism are:

1. In the first place, "para-nationalist" posers who build or help to build up pseudo-ideological constructs or forum boards and other means of communication, which strip would-be nationalist young people from any sense of reality, marginalizes them, and isolates them by provoking artificial conflicts with others who are their best friends and allies.
2. In the second place, Liberal and Socialist Multiculturalists who are not foreign to Nationalists but who actually belong to the very same national group.
3. In the last place, immigrants. But they are only the consequence, not the root of the problem. In fact they are enemies only because the Multiculturalists exist. And Multiculturalists exist and advance because there are idiots like those of the first group.

As you see, priorities are not being set correctly. People should be held responsible for their acts. While damage can always be reversed, this is only possible to a certain extent. For some, perhaps for many, memory is alive and common sense points to at least distrusting.

Yes i think this is interesting -point 2: the multicultic reasoning and structuring.
And its very different when it comes to the different groups. The socialists tend to lean to moralism, solidarity and pity in a blind blend, while the liberalists, or i would rather say the neocons or the neoliberalists sets up economic structures which makes masses migrate.
Due to the climate around on diverse boards, its terribly difficult to even get into these points and always impossible to get to the point of discussing political solutions.

Have you got many old threads on this?

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Liberals will use the same arguments as Socialists if they have to defend their pro-immigrationist stands. Even when the true reasons behind their pro-immigrationism is to make the labour market more flexible.

An argument more typically Liberal but which is also being used by Socialists is pensions. If there is demographic stagnation, who will pay for the pensions in the future?

Not a question that one may expect to find discussed in a political community when the focus are such as meds vs nords, germs vs slavs, blondes vs brunettes, or if Aristotle was a blue-eyed German tourist in Greece who died from and indigestion of fetta cheese. All most enlightening discussions..
Why am I not surprised that 7 out of 10 of the individuals involved in such deep and eye opening discussions are Americans?