An European forum?

[Aptrgangr]

Originally Posted by Strengthandhonour

[...] Skadi, I admit, was once a great forum, a forum were Europeans came together and shared and exchanged ideas. But that changed, and once the forum got "Germanic" oriented, I did not feel I belong, like I was asked to leave almost but without asking.[...]

The so called Germanic orientation at Skadi is more or less a hoax. I am around there for a while now and I could not detect this orientation is now taken too serious; what does not mean there are people that take this orientation serious!
I am pleased Stirpes is not influenced by UFO sectarians etc. which take their pseudo-science serious.
As for the lacking Nordic/heathen influence here, it seems it is just because there are not enough northern Europeans here claiming a stronger influence...

[Sergius]

Originally Posted by Aptrganga

As for the lacking Nordic/heathen influence here, it seems it is just because there are not enough northern Europeans here claiming a stronger influence...

one of the reasons may be that, for instance, the danish nationalist society is anything but mature.
take a look at dansk front\'s site. these people love calling their opponents names and beating up immigrants.

[Strengthandhonour]

What I still fail to understand, and this has been brought up many times in the future, and again,I state my position regarding this is neutral and show respect towards both sides, but what is the deal with being a heathen? you can be an European and still be a heathen or a christian, if Heathens think that they can somehow turn Europe's religious values that have been in effect for thousands year now, then they are in for a rude awakening.
Being nordic dosn't necesarily mean you have to run around a fireplace naked with paint on your body praising Bacchus or whatever pantheon you believe in. There is southern European paganism as well,generalizations regarding Southern Europeans all being catholic and northern Europeans being some sort of viking heathen breed, are pretty ridiculious and immature if you ask me.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Strengthandhonour

What I still fail to understand, and this has been brought up many times in the future, and again,I state my position regarding this is neutral and show respect towards both sides, but what is the deal with being a heathen? you can be an European and still be a heathen or a christian, if Heathens think that they can somehow turn Europe's religious values that have been in effect for thousands year now, then they are in for a rude awakening.
Being nordic dosn't necesarily mean you have to run around a fireplace naked with paint on your body praising Bacchus or whatever pantheon you believe in. There is southern European paganism as well,generalizations regarding Southern Europeans all being catholic and northern Europeans being some sort of viking heathen breed, are pretty ridiculious and immature if you ask me.

I never mention anything such? Please read again..

Originally Posted by Thore Hund

The subforum is named "Heathen", and that term does not fit. We are not heathen. Some of us have many gods....

Perhaps a more precise and correct term in this context would be Nordic/Germanic, and with a Sami subforum.

And our soiritual heritage happends to be related to the gods, attitudes, moral and values of the vikings too, yes, because this is what we have inherited, and they were among our forefathers.

And the Sami spiritual culture beside of course.

Some of us keep to our own "faith" or religions of the forefathers here...We are proud of our own, and find it useful.

Not our fault that and you christian Europeans has traded your own forefathers true spiritual heritage for imported hebrew stuff.

Christianity is considered a bad and imperialistic joke among anyone having a relation to Norse or Sami gods. It simply does not count here, and it is not considered a part of our own heritage, but a spiritual dark night pushed on us.

Now the Church lays with the backbone broken here up North, but theres still som alcholists, rehabilized drugaddicts and other desperate souls clinging to it here. But among intelligent individuals in Scandinavia, enlighted, and balanced individuals of ressources, you barely find any christians.

But the Church has to take what it can get, and that is certainly not the "eldest sons"...It has falled apart, and has no or very little power left, and in the spiritual debate it is considered troglydytic and belonging to an earlier level of spiritual development. We are just awaiting the last of that "believeing" generations to die out. Peacefully and with respect.

Isolated, I am sorry to bring you a reality report on the Churchs/Christianitys position in the north, but it is a ruin, it simply does not count anymore.

[Strengthandhonour]

First of all Thorehund, READ CLEARLY, that NOT a single time in my post did I refer to anything you said, it was a pain and simple statement, I did not quote you, so please understand, that thoughts regarding this, do not revolve around your thoughts.
If you feel that you are thoughts and what not, are being abused here, then you are more than welcome to leave and stop contradicting yourself. One moment you are praising the forum and the next you are claiming that your faith isnt welcome and what not.
No one here is insulting your religion,if it's really so hard for you to deal with it, then get out of the forum. No one is chaining you to it. If you so badly desire a forum where you can maintain your spiritual and cultural values, then perhaps you can start your own.
You are free to discuss it in this forum as you see fit of course.
So make up your mind, you LIKE the forum and want to stay and follow it's regulations or you can go and find one were your "Values" are better respected and fiting.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Strengthandhonour

First of all Thorehund, READ CLEARLY, that NOT a single time in my post did I refer to anything you said, it was a pain and simple statement, I did not quote you, so please understand, that thoughts regarding this, do not revolve around your thoughts.

OK, what exactly do you referer to. I am the only one that have suggested a new name on the "Heathen" subforum ( also featuring the not so important Norse/ Germanic spiritual cultures.)

If you feel that you are thoughts and what not, are being abused here, then you are more than welcome to leave and stop contradicting yourself.

One moment you are praising the forum and the next you are claiming that your faith isnt welcome and what not.

On suggested "immaturity", I would be careful with that term if I were you..

It is probably "immature" of me to question such too, but please qoute me where I have suggested, said, or written that my "faith" is not welcome here?..

Please also qoute what "-and what not" implies and referes to..."

But I suspect that the course of the forum will be not really to be an all-European forum, and as I wrote in the initiatory posting in this thread, it is too Southern/christian/catholic dominated to set that course.

So sure, no problem.

[Strengthandhonour]

What I meant by my previous statement, is that Heathens see themselves as Heathens first and Europeans second. If you can point to me in this forum, some examples were Heathens were insulted and ridiculed by a christian member for being heathens, then I will be happy to speak with the individual.
If you are hinting at immaturity, I am not the one that signed off/blocked on MSN when I tried to confront you regarding this issue?

you don't necesarily need to say your faith isnt welcome here to get it across, you have implied it however. There is religious forums here, and you are more than welcome to discuss your faith there without problems. As I stated myself, I have spoke well of Paganism before and I will continue to do so,I would participate in such conversations since I am interested on it.
What keeps the forum from being all European?that the christians here won't convert to heathens?no one is here to convert anyone to any faith, Heathen is not an European ethnicity, its more of a cultural identity. I have many many good friends that are heathens,I don't see them any differently than my European friends that are christian.
I am not trying to put anyone down on this thread, I am trying to establish the fact that if heathens want to come and enjoy the forum, they are welcome. I feel like this thread is going around in circiels and it seems to need some closure, so if anyone has anything left to say, then state so.

[Eurovox]

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I have been banned once with the incredible argument of being europeanist
That's a lie. Stirpes is above all pro-European and people on Stirpes are pro-European in various forms, ranging from different degrees of alliances preserving the full sovereignty of the nations, to the confederation again in various degrees.

Whatever the case, Europe as a "nation" is a fallacy which we leave for the European Union and their adepts.

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and for promoting Endovelicus ( a lusitanian God for those who may wonder), while I never mentioned that god here or even promoted paganism...
So you did not promote Endovelicus but were banned for it? I hope that you will realize of the inconsecuent of your accusation. In fact, I don't remember that anyone was banned "for promoting Endovelicus".

What does this tell of you? And, what does this make of your starting of the post with "to say it quite frankly"?

Mynnyd, remember the forum member with the pseudo of Português? Try to check the members list and than you tell me who is lying, and perhpas you will be able also to find out the reasons you gave for the banning...

As for Endovelicus, in fact it is really strange a person being banned for the promotion of Endovelicus or whatever pagan god when in his profile is writen Atheistic!!!

Starting a post with the say "to be quite frankly" is just a a form of saying that I will not be a licking dog, making a favour to anyone. I said what I have to say, simple as that.

Não pretendo perpetuar esta discussão que não conduz a lado algum nem terá consequências positivas. Ambos defendemos perspectivas distintas para questões que afligem a nossa Europa e ambos apresentamos diferentes soluções para as mesmas. Talvez seja legitimo colocar a questão neste prisma: Pertencemos à mesma família política mas a diferentes famílias ideológicas. Não o considero meu inimigo, ou sequer adversário. Respeito-o pela sua inteligência e vigor com que defende aquilo que acredita e apenas desejo reciprocidade, nada mais.

Esta discussão está encerrada pela minha parte.

[Savage]

No doubt that heathens are welcome here.
But personally I do not know any "heathens"..?

So are Æsatruers, and animists, believers in Northern gods, and ancestors spirits, but no one of us are "heathen".

Some of us have plenty gods, much more than the Christians, or other poor devils that only have one single God. Mercy on them.

The essence of the "heathen" term discussion is that "heaten" is a name used by the Church and its servants on people that not had received Jesus.

We prefer our own terms, not the spiritual enemys harassive term "heathen", originally;

Source hyperdictionary.com

[n] a person who does not acknowledge your God
[adj] not acknowledging the God of Christianity and Judaism and Islam

And since the Christian God and the Church has no priority or higher rank than any other gods, of any faiths of Europe?, we prefer to define ourselves, and not accept a misleading and belittling definition invented by the proven enemies of our own mythologies, religion and spirituality.

Normally one should suggest that we ourselves was better known with our own history, traditons and culture, and well fit, in fact a whole lot better fit to define the terms on ourselves. And in fact we are, dont you think?
And "heathen" is wrong term on Northern/ Germanic religions and spirituality.

Or are Northerns and "heathens" only good for beeing backseat passengers?

[Strengthandhonour]

well then in order to show my respect and effort to remediate towards solving this, does pagan work?if not, state what you would want the people of your spirituality to be called. I have met people who do not liked to be called pagan and some who do,some like heathen,etc etc.
One of my posts here includes that all Northeners are welcome as long as they acknowledge and dont come here feeling superior to other Europeans,Feeling like they have rule over others,that they are better,etc. The same applies to every forum member here, be it a Norwegian,Spaniard,Swede,Portugese,Italian,etc. We don't tolerate feeling superior over other Europeans and feeling you have the right to own them and rule their life.
Nordics are in the front seat,as well as all other Europeans who are nationalists.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Strengthandhonour

well then in order to show my respect and effort to remediate towards solving this, does pagan work?if not, state what you would want the people of your spirituality to be called. I have met people who do not liked to be called pagan and some who do,some like heathen,etc etc.
One of my posts here includes that all Northeners are welcome as long as they acknowledge and dont come here feeling superior to other Europeans,Feeling like they have rule over others,that they are better,etc. The same applies to every forum member here, be it a Norwegian,Spaniard,Swede,Portugese,Italian,etc. We don't tolerate feeling superior over other Europeans and feeling you have the right to own them and rule their life.
Nordics are in the front seat,as well as all other Europeans who are nationalists.

Thank you very much.

May I suggest the classification Nordic - Germanic to replace "Heathenry" as name of this subforum.

And you are pefectly right, " Pagan" may fit much better at something else.

Would be fine to hear the views of other Northerns/ Germanics on this?




BTW. Are you really sure you want me to invite my friends?..

[Strengthandhonour]

friends are welcome, as long as they behave themselves and act respectfully, then so it is. the name of the forum, will be discussed with other staff members to see if its appropiate.

[kyashan]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

You might be right since just now you are seeing only what you want to see. Or maybe what you reach to see.

At least some people are people who work and fight to change things and who look forward to meet similar people online.

I've seen people been classified as lappoid just because of a little internal epicantic eyefold or people been classified as armenoid or "jewish" because of a pronounced nose, feature that occurs in many ethnicities other than Jews.
This is what I define a delusional perception of reality. Or maybe I'm just brainwashed by the evil zionist propaganda , a kind of passe-partout argument which occurs frequently both in Stirpes and Skadi and which I don't believe that much in.

[Menydh]

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