An European forum?

[Savage]

And I do not want revolution, just growth, or adaption, in the outer as in the inner chambers...and practical acceptance for the mainstreams of our various cultural heritages as equal in Stirpes in the European forum case?

I rather go for evolution.

Well, I admit it may be an annoying topic, and you rather would like go to to Mass for all I know...But the spirit of the quest is benevolent and clear, and well reasoned. Quo Vadis?

The question is which course Stipes do set, it may have grown, and therefore some of the members recognize the actuality of the question raised.

If it want to be an all European nationalist forum, other large currents must be taken into the warmth, and threated as equal, according to rights, influence and duties.

There should be a closed subforum for followers of Norse and Nordic/Germanic local traditions, as there seems to be one for Catholics /Christians? A such could not be governed by a christian, if the christian forum were not governed by a heathen.

If not, we could believe that Stripes was run by a catholic conspiracy? ...
That is OK, but it is not all European.

Or perhaps by the Ordo Alpina, or Grande Loja Regular de Portugal, or the Vatican for all we know...?

[Milesian]

Originally Posted by Herac

Oh well... if the pagans who return to the roots are turned into barbarian warriors, what a christian couldl be?

Crusader? Missionary? Scholar?

Probably a dirty jew in the middleastern sands.

I don't understand. the majority of Christians in the history of the world have been European. If Christians are all Jews because Christianity's founder was from Gallilee, then by that logic modern wannabe Pagans are all Hindus because IE culture originated in Eurasia.

Is this the kind of warped logic you are espousing?

Seriously, there could be some good debates about Christianity if the opposition camp could base their arguments on reasonable and logical premises rather than mere personal contempt and hysterical emotionalism.

[Milesian]

Originally Posted by Thore Hund

There should be closed subforum for followers of Norse and Nordic/Germanic local traditions, as there seems to be one for Catholics /Christians?

Such a forum already exists and already has posts in it - http://forum.stirpes.net/forumdisplay.php?f=97

If not, we could believe that Stripes was run by a catholic conspiracy? ...

So you've finally uncovered our little secret.....now you must die! Mwuhahahaha

[Batzec]

Personally I would like more Northern people to be here, just for reading their points of view and debating with them. We could appreciate more the European ethnic and cultural richness and we could all learn about our neighbours. BTW I'm wondering why there is no English members (sorry if I forgot any.) Are there all in Skadi with their American race brothers?

Scandinavians are a case apart, they don't need prove anything like some people on Skadi, or even here.

On the other hand Slavs members exist in a good amount on Stirpes as well.

Let's see; Southern Europeans, Slavs, just the European People who has been slandered on Skadi.

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The debate of Christianism/Paganism/Atheism is a personal matter of faith. You can believe in God or not. Faith is not debatable and I would ask for respect on this point. So, please, comparing Christianism with Judaism is just an aberration and a complete ignorance, well fed by nordicist paranoia.
Denying the weight of Christianism in the historical construction of Europe is simple retardness.

We could discuss about that, of course, like the fact of the paralelism "chosen people" between Jews and nordish supremacists,...

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Milesian

Such a forum already exists and already has posts in it - http://forum.stirpes.net/forumdisplay.php?f=97

So you've finally uncovered our little secret.....now you must die! Mwuhahahaha

The subforum is named "Heathen", and that term does not fit. We are not heathen. Some of us have many gods....

Perhaps a more precise and correct term in this context would be Nordic/Germanic, and with a Sami subforum.

[Ederico]

I consider this whole request, and supporting posts, as pathetic as it can gets. It reminds me of immigrant minorities providing the same rhetoric of under-representation and persecution/discrimination. Moaning about disciplinary measures, in what is private property accessible to the public, is ludicrous. People should learn that the administration of a site has total discretion on the type of membership accepted.

As proven above, the majority of the staff is not even Latin/Romance/Euro-Mediterranean, the argument of under-representation is thus preposterous in that respect. I'm one of the initial members of this forum, and up till now I had been a member of Staff. I was removed from Staff recently to which I did not protest as this is neither my property nor the site on which I spend hours administrating as somone like Mynydd used to do, just to have some ungrateful moaner slandering him with the Inquisition. Without Mynydd, the same person wouldn't even have the possibility to do that here, as Stirpes wouldn't exist without him, talk about ungratefulness.

Anyone that pretends that he has any right of representation, equal numbers of members amongst membership sub-classes et cetera, is primarily arrogant, secondly jealous, and even reminiscent of those leftists that moan about how immigrants are mistreated.

As far as I know, as demonstrated by members of staff in this thread, Stirpes membership is open to people of different orientations and origins. Personally, the forum is not too restrictive, but rather too liberal as far as membership is concerned, as before the discussions witheld greater quality, and there was less moaning and perhaps more gratefullness for the existance of this forum and the possibility to speak your mind often against the views of the administration. If you don't like it, my suggestion is leave it. That is what I always did with forums I registered in and didn't like, not moan on the administration, concept or membership of a privately-owned and administered forum were no one has any right to post but was granted the priviledge by the creators and the staff at a given time.

Given my Staff experience on various forums, I can tell you one thing, moaning members should be banned immediately if their tone is judgemental on the administration's work. Perhaps people should notice that Staff, often Administrators, have to take the extra responsibility of checking the posts of members whom they would rather not if they weren't Staff, and according to their responsibilities. Think about that.

Grow up and live up to what you preach. If you are nationalists, you should know that as much as you have a claim-right on your nation's territory, within private property it is the ownership and those that entrusted by it that have the same claim-right to which their discretion must be paralled.

[Ederico]

Apart from being arrogant, people who criticise an administration of an internet forum based on sectarian interests and/or with a somewhat confrontational anti-administration tone, just give ample proof that unwillingly they have nothing better to do in life than post on an internet forum.

[Sergius]

thore, let us first of all look nearer home, and do ours to bring in fresh meat from norden.

remember,

Originally Posted by khan kubrat

unity is strength

bundle up the sticks and they will never break.

[Gil]

OK..

1 - Thore, you put jews, catholicism, masonry, etc, all in the same bag, but you get all worked up when someone calls "heathen" to a pagan... double standards? I've always heard "to be respected one must respect" and this has nothing to do with religious belief it's just common sense.

2 - You've had very "heated" discussions with a germanic forum member, Agrippa, borderline flaming and still you were allowed to comment at your will... how can you say we have ever mistreated nordics or germanics?

3 - Every forum has a owner and Stirpes' owners happen to be catholic and support catholicism... that's all there is to it, no one is forcing anyone to convert or discriminating non-catholics, unlike some other forums where you are mocked and shunned if you happen to be a catholic.

4 - As Duchemin as showed before there is no sectarianism in our moderator and even forum members; people are different, we aren't clones and each one has their own views and even different notions of ethnicity and culture; just to give you an example, I bet that Faísca and me, if asked to classify ourselves as Mediterranean or Celtic (very broad terms here) we would probably classify ourselves as Celtic seeing as our roots stem from there and so does our personal culture and ethics.

5 - Stirpes, unlike Skadi and other forums, isn't a ethnic-centric community (which in itself has nothing wrong), it is above all a European forum for European Nationalists; what happens is that alot of nationalists of northern countries are more pro-national socialism and nordic racialism and as such prefer to debate in a northern only environment, ergo, Skadi.

6 - Want to help? Want to REALLY help? Bring more intelligent people to Stirpes and the forum will thrive.

[Faísca]

Originally Posted by Thore Hund

The subforum is named "Heathen", and that term does not fit. We are not heathen. Some of us have many gods....

Perhaps a more precise and correct term in this context would be Nordic/Germanic, and with a Sami subforum.

In all honesty, tell me: Why? For you to post?

The thing is, there are not enough members who would actually post there. So having another subforum is just a waste. This reminds me all the fuss marius did for us not having a romanian language section... He would be speaking to himself, as he was the only romanian here.

So now I tell you, get me some members who would actually post there, besides yourself and we can create it, no biggy. Now, in the meantine, if you are not satisfied with the current division, you can posts in the main forum, the one called "Indigenous".

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Herac

Maybe I'm not the right person to say that, but...

You are right. You are not the right person. I'll show you why.

Originally Posted by Herac

Mostly of the members are catholics from the Spains. That's the main fact.

If you discuss about Spain, you can get banned. An argentinian friend of mine was.

Since even before starting Stirpes one of the main aims was to provide an environment free of the burden of the much distorted views on Europe of the peoples of The Americas. This is a fact highlighted in the introduction to Stirpes.

While not all the Americans are absolutely the same, the reality is that keeping the American masses at bay has been detrimental in quantity. In contrast it has been incremental in quality.

The admittance of Americans has been limited and random, and what has been asked to those admitted is --at the very least-- to keep a low profile and to show due respect.

said.So you are right in that you are not the right person to say. As someone from The Americas, your rights are limited by the above So, why don't you just abide to the forum requirements instead of whining?

And if you charge the 'middeleast' Christian faith, you can get banned.

Incidentally, I am a Christian Agnostic. Which means that I am an Agnostic by belief.

A polish friend of mine was also banned.

Stop saying "a friend of mine" and do name the individual. Right now I recall one who was banned by a former Staff member who was a non Christian German. I have the feeling that you refer to that one.

I've been in a thousand flame wars with spaniards because I defended Euskadi...

Just in case that at this point you have not yet understood it, Americans are required to keep a low profile and stay away from issues which are of concern only this side of the Atlantic. Your complaints are therefore unjustified and consequently simply unnecessary whinings.

By the way, one of the members of the Staff is a Basque.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Eurovox

To say it quiet frankly, the forum is now much better since Mynnyd drop out from being moderator.

I've never been a moderator. I am an administrator. For your information, another reason why I have stepped down (not "dropped out") is because the server where Stirpes and other Nationalist projects present and future are being hosted does have a monthly cost that needs to be maintained to ensure its future existance.

While I cannot afford extravagances without working to pay for them, I don't spend much on myself and I am more than happy with putting my money in the honest struggle for Nationalism in Europe instead of buying for example a new car for myself.

So, excuse me if I am not all that tolerant with free-riders who believe that they have the right to use these resources to promote constructs which are clearly out of place here. Such as White Nationalism in your case.

(an outdate reflex from Inquisition for sure)

Do you mean the Inquistion which fought against judaisation? Is it in your agenda to dislike their work?

and how many other were banned just because he didnt like what they were writing?

Read the introduction and then read the rules. If you don't like it, go somewhere else with your tune.

I have been banned once with the incredible argument of being europeanist

That's a lie. Stirpes is above all pro-European and people on Stirpes are pro-European in various forms, ranging from different degrees of alliances preserving the full sovereignty of the nations, to the confederation again in various degrees.

Whatever the case, Europe as a "nation" is a fallacy which we leave for the European Union and their adepts.

and for promoting Endovelicus ( a lusitanian God for those who may wonder), while I never mentioned that god here or even promoted paganism...

So you did not promote Endovelicus but were banned for it? I hope that you will realize of the inconsecuent of your accusation. In fact, I don't remember that anyone was banned "for promoting Endovelicus".

What does this tell of you? And, what does this make of your starting of the post with "to say it quite frankly"?

Even the ban of Hoffmeister was ridiculous.

If you are willing to offer bandwidth to lunatics for claiming that "the importation of white bread [by Southern Europeans] into the culinary habits of Nordic peoples is a reflection of a much larger crime, namely that of cultural imperialism", by all means do so.

How dare you demand that others cater for lunatics out of a resources that are meant to be for a [real] cause? It's appalling.

[kyashan]

as far as I've experienced, traditionalist boards like Stirpes and Skadi, and even anthropology forums without political orientation like Dodona, are full of delusional people or, better said, of people who see just what they want to see.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by kyashan

as far as I've experienced, traditionalist boards like Stirpes and Skadi, and even anthropology forums without political orientation like Dodona, are full of delusional people or, better said, of people who see just what they want to see.

You might be right since just now you are seeing only what you want to see. Or maybe what you reach to see.

At least some people are people who work and fight to change things and who look forward to meet similar people online.