@ Youenn

[Menydh]

I kindly requested you to stay away from Stirpes. It was not a suggestion. I request the same from all other NoFo members. I don't have any problem with that group and their isolationist positions, providing that they keep isolated in their reduct or, if they visit here, they keep a low profile.

But I don't have time to waste with either you or any of them. And neither have others. Much time has been already miserably wasted on fighting off agendas and ignorance. This was already made clear on this other thread.

It is unfortunate that I've had to make it even more clear to you.


All The Best

[Chauntecleer]

Hmm... well I for one would like to protest this. As far as I can recall, Youenn joined NoFo around the same time as me, and more out of curiosity than any underlying Nordicist beliefs. NoFo is a closed forum and therefore it's impossible to see what goes on without actually registering there. So what if he stuck around and made a few posts? None of them involved Nordicist arguments. I remember both of us posting in mainly lowbrow threads (the NoFo "Eurovision" thread, for example). You realise after awhile it's hard to take that forum seriously, especially when there are so many Baltic members feigning Nordic superiority. In fact Thorgerd is actually a Baltid (some might say East-Baltid). Hypocrisy if I ever saw it.

When I try and log in these days I get this message:

"You have been banned for the following reason:
Inactive account set banned as announced. Contact us to re-activate.
Date the ban will be lifted: Never"

And back to Youenn... it's rare to meet such a dedicated nationalist. I know for a fact he regularly attends pro-identity meetings in Brittany. Can't help but think we have lost a good member. He certainly isn't ignorant and I can't emphasise enough that he isn't Nordicist. It's really too bad you too can't reconcile your differences.

Furthermore, I know of several other Stirpes members who posted there. I won't name any for now, but just so you're aware.

If you would like for me to leave Stirpes too then I will happily do so. But please, in the very least, make your stance on this issue a little clearer first. Thanks.

[Aptrgangr]

I also would like to know what exactly the beef is about here. From what I have read Youenn surely has posted some controversial things in the past, but surely nothing that would justify this step now, in my opinion.
I am a NoFo poster myself, I simply do not see a conflict of interests as I am an independent poster without pursuing an agenda as Nordicism, and I never avoid a heated debate on certain issues.

[Menydh]

For one thing, Youenn crossed the line time ago when he applauded the ethnic desintegration of the French. Not once, but more than once. Another thing is that the next time he wants to badmouth me and spread lies against me, he should first consider that when you live among the rogues, you shouldn't trust who you talk.

That someone posts in NoFo or anywhere else,is not something that concerns me in the least.

What does concern me, however, is when individuals come with an agenda that is opposed to the spirit of frank cooperation and mutual support between Europeans, that we have been promoting on Stirpes since the first day.

NoFo are Northern isolationists and that is alright with me providing that they are consequent with it to the last bit.

I'll make this more clear on a thread dedicated to this issue. For now, suffice to say that I personally do not see any advantage on European [Nationalists] relating to Northern [Europeans]. And I see many disadvantages. To support my case:

Northern societies have reached the bottom, and yet they are unable to react. As if they had no blood running through their veins, people are still bleeding liberals at heart and there are no reasons to suspect that if they ever react to it, it will be a mild compromise to slow down what in reality has already overflown them.

I will not deal here with the full origins of immigration and multicultural societies in Europe, but will just say that they were in northern societies before than they were in non northern societies, where they arrived via the European Union (ie., through "close contact").

In the Nationalist sphere in Europe, what comes from the North is not only of little interest but highly damaging. Stupid constructs of supremacism from people who would hardly pass an IQ test decently. An image of marginality that is rejected by the society and the people to which they would suppose to be attracting, through a complete alienation of their own people. Incompetence at its best. And this too has tainted to a degree the non northern nationalist sphere (again, through "contact").

I could go on for much longer. But I'll leave the details for a thread of its own.


To make short a long story, if non northern Europeans are doing something it is to extend a friendly and helping hand to northeners to who they see in utter distress, even when we are in distress too.

And eventhough we would be far better off alienating ourselves from the freakness that rules among "nationalists" (or whatever else they are) up north, we still do it out of a sense of both responsibility and of honour.

So, I do not think that it is much to demand that we choose to apart from those who are worthy, those who have proved to be untrustworthy and even ignoble.

You call him a "dedicated nationalist". I argue that he is below a chauvinist. Or do you call a "dedicated nationalist" to someone who cheers the ethnic disintegration of France?

He has no place here.

[Menydh]

Thread reopened per request.

[Aptrgangr]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

For one thing, Youenn crossed the line time ago when he applauded the ethnic desintegration of the French. Not once, but more than once.

That was a more than tasteless and cynic thing to do, even when it was in retaliation of the continued denial of Breton independence on the behalf of some French. However, the racial disintegration of France is fact no matter someone finds it good or not.
I elaborate on why I see the racial disintegration of Germany, as much as I hate this fact, also see as chance: despite the facts (immigration, demography, crime, islamification, wars for big money, laws that 3/4 of the ppl oppose pass parliament with 2/3 majority etc.) lie on the table for everyone plain to see, people refuse to change their way of thinking and do not quit support of multiculturalist parties. Fine, when they do not volunteer they will be forced to do. That is hard, painful, costs more several thousands of killed and raped and injured people of my folk - but it is them choosing that way.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

That someone posts in NoFo or anywhere else,is not something that concerns me in the least.

Good.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

What does concern me, however, is when individuals come with an agenda that is opposed to the spirit of frank cooperation and mutual support between Europeans, that we have been promoting on Stirpes since the first day.

Well, I came in peace and in the spirit of frank cooperation.
I absolutely agree that those spreading nonsense are more than unpleasant, but the number of those having done so here lately are mostly not from the north.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

NoFo are Northern isolationists and that is alright with me providing that they are consequent with it to the last bit.

The real isolationsist from overthere never appeared here.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I'll make this more clear on a thread dedicated to this issue. For now, suffice to say that I personally do not see any advantage on European [Nationalists] relating to Northern [Europeans]. And I see many disadvantages. To support my case:

I can see your point, but no matter I like it or not, there are Norwegians or Finns that are exclusively concerned with the business of their homeland. I find it better those try to spread the message of nationalism on their own than they do not anthing in that direction at all.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Northern societies have reached the bottom, and yet they are unable to react.

Absolutely true, the tragic fact is these compansate their moral bankruptcy with economic wealth, that defers the the final break down for many decades.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

As if they had no blood running through their veins, people are still bleeding liberals at heart and there are no reasons to suspect that if they ever react to it, it will be a mild compromise to slow down what in reality has already overflown them.

100% agreed - the more astonishing and horrifying southern countries are anxious to copy this "society model". There is more than just the GDP.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I will not deal here with the full origins of immigration and multicultural societies in Europe, but will just say that they were in northern societies before than they were in non northern societies, where they arrived via the European Union (ie., through "close contact").

I have a simple formula: the more Nordic, the more decadent. I even see this slope in my country, where the southern Germans are less open to immigrants than the northern ones, this is to be seen not only in geographical terms, but also in racial terms as Nordic girls in southern Germany more likely have a coloured boyfriend than a Alpinid/Mediterranid girl from northern Germany. The exclusive Bavarian neo-con party CSU repeatedly has been defamed as "Nazi" party by north German reds that dominate politics and press here.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

In the Nationalist sphere in Europe, what comes from the North is not only of little interest but highly damaging. Stupid constructs of supremacism from people who would hardly pass an IQ test decently. An image of marginality that is rejected by the society and the people to which they would suppose to be attracting, through a complete alienation of their own people. Incompetence at its best. And this too has tainted to a degree the non northern nationalist sphere (again, through "contact").

I am aware of this problem - it is a sad thing but being a nationalist from a northern country does not automatically mean one is some sort of supremacist.
Anyway, the most nationalist people I met here in my country were south Europeans, and for me there is no other option than a cooperation between nationalists throughout Europe.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

To make short a long story, if non northern Europeans are doing something it is to extend a friendly and helping hand to northeners to who they see in utter distress, even when we are in distress too.

I find this statement too general, actually there is more infighting between several NS sects and nationaliste here than a general rejection of pan European cooperation.
Portugese nationalists repeatedly held speeches here, Italians too, despite there was harsh critics from those that want South-Tyrol returned instantly.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

And eventhough we would be far better off alienating ourselves from the freakness that rules among "nationalists" (or whatever else they are) up north, we still do it out of a sense of both responsibility and of honour.

As if there were no freaks there down south, for me the idea of a Germanic empire from the Baltics to Burgundy is as freakish as a Catholic empire from Lisboa to Warshaw.
They way nationalist have to go is unpleasant and stony, and we have to deal with what we have and develope it further.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

So, I do not think that it is much to demand that we choose to apart from those who are worthy, those who have proved to be untrustworthy and even ignoble.

I can not commment on things I do not know about (personal attacks, badmouthing).

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

NoFo are Northern isolationists and that is alright with me providing that they are consequent with it to the last bit.

Perhaps, but no reason to react and go isolationistic oneselves?

For now, suffice to say that I personally do not see any advantage on European [Nationalists] relating to Northern [Europeans]. And I see many disadvantages. To support my case:

As I may read it here, you attack all northern european nationalists, and I am sure that is not intended?

It should be specified what the logical target is in this context, the nutzis and their tragical gang of "nordicists", all correct terminated as elsewhere suggested, a bunch of losers, and wannabee scandinavians, with little or miserable real lifes. Often lead by colony housewifes with no education, or christian US-disneyvikings on metamph. So, dont worry...They never get anywhere.

But please do not confuse those or other lunatics with us that lives here.

And it is not lucky that the focus are moved from something that seems to be a limited conflict, to be set up as to reflect or escale the differences between north and south. There are weak and strong sides in both ends.

Northern societies have reached the bottom, and yet they are unable to react. As if they had no blood running through their veins, people are still bleeding liberals at heart and there are no reasons to suspect that if they ever react to it, it will be a mild compromise to slow down what in reality has already overflown them.

I cannot see what the southerners have done better?
Your social problems and crimerates are worse than here. The south are in deep sh**themselves, as we are here up north, and have certainly not solved any major problems yet, that gives them any sane reason to be cocky and patronizing.

I will not deal here with the full origins of immigration and multicultural societies in Europe, but will just say that they were in northern societies before than they were in non northern societies, where they arrived via the European Union (ie., through "close contact").

In the Nationalist sphere in Europe, what comes from the North is not only of little interest but highly damaging. Stupid constructs of supremacism from people who would hardly pass an IQ test decently. An image of marginality that is rejected by the society and the people to which they would suppose to be attracting, through a complete alienation of their own people. Incompetence at its best. And this too has tainted to a degree the non northern nationalist sphere (again, through "contact").

This is quite unclear.., where are you going with this? Oh, forget it, you also write crystal clear things, I rather read some of that instead...

To make short a long story, if non northern Europeans are doing something it is to extend a friendly and helping hand to northeners to who they see in utter distress, even when we are in distress too.

Same here, we see your weaknesses, but we also see your strengths, and tries to help where it is actual and possible.

And eventhough we would be far better off alienating ourselves from the freakness that rules among "nationalists" (or whatever else they are) up north, we still do it out of a sense of both responsibility and of honour.

However, the other way, a major problem is still the consequenzes of the tight grip of the imported judea-christian spiritual hegemony of the catholic world, something we must bear over with until the south rises and leaves of their chains of spiritual thralldom to Jerusalem. One may say, it smells, both ways, but one will have to live patient with that.

Neither should the asocial freaks and social outcast that presents themselves as "nordicists" or nutzi supremacist be credited anybody else than this marginale and lost little bunch of w*****. Here, they long ago lost the last train, and are in no way taken serious, neither by patriots, nationalist, ore any sane persons that are able to get anywhere. Outcast here, is like outcast there.

So, I do not think that it is much to demand that we choose to apart from those who are worthy, those who have proved to be untrustworthy and even ignoble.

Worthy is as worthy does..?

It is all subjective... And whatmore, it is both and.
There is no such things as "only good", and "only bad." It is a dream..
and there is little hope there will be any changes on that the first milleniums. And, in the end, one only can trust oneself.

He has no place here.

Yes, he has. He is not so bad. Please do not react to him as he had been nuking Jerusalem?

Even if blackmouthing the administrator, so what? You are not destroyed? And such occures all the time. All leaders are blackmouthed, that goes with the jobs.. And goes on in all kinds of forums. And defining things as blackmouthing, is also subjective? And often it is not so deeply intended either? Who does not think or say ugly things about people now and then? And forum administrators are not exepted.

Honorable behavior signifies itself, and builds respect, and blackmouthing does not really hurt the honrable and the strong either. And when you look at in what pool? Any negative reputation from those sites should be taken with gratefulness,

You do a very good job, relative clean cut, it is important, and inspiring, and I support you far, as I support other sane, responsible and visionary allies. But this time my friend, I think you go a bridge too far...



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[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

That was a more than tasteless and cynic thing to do, even when it was in retaliation of the continued denial of Breton independence on ths behalf of some French. However, the racial disintegration of France is fact no matter someone finds it good or not.

He might as well have wished for the ethnic disintegration of the Bretons who do not support independence. Which is as much a fact as it is that of the French.

Well, I came in peace and in the spirit of frank cooperation.

I didn't refer to you.

To believe (or to pretend to believe) that every single individual in a nation is equally valuable is the egalitarianist form of white trashism.

I absolutely agree that those spreading nonsense are more than unpleasant, but the number of those having done so here lately are mostly not from the north.

I'm surprised. Where are they from?

The real isolationsist from overthere never appeared here.

I should remind here that we had an argument derived from one such NoFo isolationist who dropped a few items of the agenda here, of a hostile nature. As if per chance (or maybe not so) Youenn teamed up in the discussion that followed suit.

I will insist in this. The difference with the direction and therefore with the people from sites like NoFo (and not just) is not insignificant. It is big enough to make it a case for total separation.

I have no problem with having a few members from ideologies that support multiculturalist agendas, for the sake of the discussion and because that is what most of us are facing on the streets. To discuss around the mating habits of the northern seals, in political terms, is a complete waste of time and resources.

They are, in short, the European Nationalists' Burden.

I can see your point, but no matter I like it or not, there are Norwegians or Finns that are exclusively concerned with the business of their homeland.

I might even prefer it if they do. Or I might not even care. As I said, that is alright providing they are consequent and keep to themselves.

I find it better those try to spread the message of nationalism on their own than they do not anthing in that direction at all.

There are people who it would be better if they did nothing.

Absolutely true, the tragic fact is these compansate their moral bankruptcy with economic wealth, that defers the the final break down for many decades.

100% agreed - the more astonishing and horrifying southern countries are anxious to copy this "society model". There is more than just the GDP.

Things don't happen without a reason. This might help to understand:

Protestantism and the Spirit of Capitalism

I have a simple formula: the more Nordic, the more decadent.

Simplifications don't help here. See above.

I even see this slope in my country, where the southern Germans are less open to immigrants than the northern ones, this is to be seen not only in geograghical terms, but also in racial terms as Nordic girls in southern Germany more likely have a coloured boyfriend than a Alpinid/Mediterranid girl from northern Germany. The exclusive Bavarian neo-con party CSU repeatedly has been defamed as "Nazi" party by north German reds that dominate politics and press here.

Again, refer to the above. We could come up with other reasons too. But hundreds of years of shaping a society in a certain way, certainly have an effect on its people.

I am aware of this problem - it is a sad thing but being a nationalist from a northern country does not automatically mean one is some sort of supremacist.

Certainly not. There are grounds to seriously doubt that they are nationalists.

Anyway, the most nationalist people I met here in my country were south Europeans, and for me there is no other option than a cooperation between nationalists throughout Europe.

Options is something subject to plans and plans often vary through the course of a war, to adaptate to the terrain.

I find this statement too general, actually there is more infighting between several NS sects and nationaliste here than a general rejection of pan European cooperation.
Portugese nationalists repeatedly held speeches here, Italians too, despite there was harsh critics from those that want South-Tyrol returned instantly.

Fine. But how does that make the statement a generalisation? It says "non northern Europeans".

As if there were no freaks there down south, for me the idea of a Germanic empire from the Baltics to Burgundy is as freakish as a Catholic empire from Lisboa to Warshaw.

Who has supported any Catholic empire from.. ah! I remember. Caesar Princeps. Notice how his agenda was rejected by southern Europeans.

They way nationalist have to go is unpleasant and stony, and we have to deal with what we have and develope it further.

Surely not with such elements.

I can not commment on things I do not know about (personal attacks, badmouthing).

To make it a little bit more clear, the same 'legend' spread by others to alienate Germanics from Stirpes.

[Weltschmerz]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Northern societies have reached the bottom, and yet they are unable to react. As if they had no blood running through their veins, people are still bleeding liberals at heart and there are no reasons to suspect that if they ever react to it, it will be a mild compromise to slow down what in reality has already overflown them.

Originally Posted by Savage

I cannot see what the southerners have done better?
Your social problems and crimerates are worse than here. The south are in deep sh**themselves, as we are here up north, and have certainly not solved any major problems yet, that gives them any sane reason to be cocky and patronizing.

Even if my country was the most perfect country on Earth, I still would have no good reason to marvel in the downfall of other countries. I bring this up, because I have been treated that way by [other ethnicity, no need to mention], just because I am a Swede. When someone tries to make me feel bad about myself, just because other Swedes did bad, I cannot have patience. That's Evil, and if that's what Youenn is doing towards southern Europeans, I couldn't agree more with Mynydd. Boards like this one don't need people who want to stand above their neighbour, who want to show off and look good at the expense of another.

As far as the doomsday profecies over the north are concerned: Surely I can think of no other country in the world that adopted and pursued an agenda so harmful to the indigenous people as that of Sweden. But it's not over yet. There is political change despite all the efforts of the establishment to shun it, and race-mixing is only a small subculture. Most people don't mix and don't want to mix. I believe in a change for the better, and I do my best. There is no reason for anyone, who would like for Sweden to get better - and to treat its neighbours better - to put me down. Cooperation is not a contest, where those who have the best rulers at home at the moment win. Cooperation is based on a mutual interest and requires respect and good-will.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Savage

Perhaps, but no reason to react and go isolationistic oneselves?

Obviously not.

As I may read it here, you attack all northern european nationalists, and I am sure that is not intended?

Clearly not.

How did you reach that conclusion? It is an observation of what things are like. Not a statement of intentions. Much less so "an attack".

And it is not lucky that the focus are moved from something that seems to be a limited conflict, to be set up as to reflect or escale the differences between north and south. There are weak and strong sides in both ends.

Notice that I'm refering to a status quo of things in general terms. Those northern nationalists who are alien to this are, in fact, the first victims of their fellow countrymen.

I cannot see what the southerners have done better?
Your social problems and crimerates are worse than here. The south are in deep sh**themselves, as we are here up north, and have certainly not solved any major problems yet, that gives them any sane reason to be cocky and patronizing.

You should have a walk outside your apartment: set your eyes in The Netherlands, to England, to Germany, to Sweden and see for yourself.

Things are clearly bad here too. But I still have to enter a normal place, complain out loud about immigration, and have people cursing at me and calling me a nazi.

I'm not patronizing. I'm pointing at facts.

This is quite unclear.., where are you going with this? Oh, forget it, you also write crystal clear things, I rather read some of that instead...

How much political activism have you done, and for how long to be able to even know of what I'm talking about?

Let me guess.. none.

Same here, we see your weaknesses, but we also see your strengths, and tries to help where it is actual and possible.

Those are just words. Now let's see the evidence for what you've said.

However, the other way, a major problem is still the consequenzes of the tight grip of the imported judea-christian spiritual hegemony of the catholic world

You are one who has whined about being bashed. Yet you are a basher yourself. Worse, you are not a basher but someone who would like to grow high bashing a people who have bear no relation with you. You grow lower, not higher. I would have expected some dignity. I would have also expected not as much ignorance:

This is northern brewed "judeo-christianism":

Protestantism and the Spirit of Capitalism

It contains the seeds to modern materialist society and of its consequences. And it bears no relation to Catholicism. Further, as far as I know Catholicism is mostly inexistant in where you live.

I hope that you never come to tell me again how unfairly you were treated for being part Sami, because you have been given reasons to me to believe that there might have been reasons behind it: you spit where you are treated fairly. They might have known that nature beforehand.

something we must bear over with until the south rises and leaves of their chains of spiritual thralldom to Jerusalem. One may say, it smells, both ways, but one will have to live patient with that.

Let me know when you start levitating.

It is all subjective... And whatmore, it is both and.
There is no such things as "only good", and "only bad." It is a dream..

Go tell a raped woman that it is subjective. Got tell a man whose son has been killed that it is subjective. That there is no such things only good and bad.

Yes, he has.

Savage dixit

Even if blackmouthing the administrator, so what? You are not destroyed?

I don't have time to waste with people like him, and neither should others.

And goes on in all kinds of forums.

We try to run a project, not a forum.

And defining things as blackmouthing, is also subjective? And often it is not so deeply intended either?

The intention is to alienate a group of people from Stirpes. It is not his own agenda but others from the same crowd have been doing it too, no matter if for it they've had to spread a lie.

You and I have different conceptions on what it right and what is wrong. What is decent and what is indecent.