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Nice map but for the nations I better know it is not 100% true:
For Brittany the East part doesn't speak Breton (may be 1% , people from the West part know Breton) .
For Ukraine, Kiev speak Russian.
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For Brittany the East part doesn't speak Breton (may be 1% , people from the West part know Breton).
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I was speaking, of course about the situation now, not a few centuries ago...
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I don't aggree. Today there are more breton speakers in Naoned/Nantes or Roazhon/Rennes. Moreover the most important school (Diwan) is in Naoned.
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I've some ancestors from Pays de Saint-Brieuc. Gallo (Oïl Romance language) would be spoken there. But I wonder when the transition Breton/Gallo has happened (I mean exactly; after the IX century, it's a bit imprecise...) and how long that has taken for the Breton to be replaced by Gallo.

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http://www2.ac-rennes.fr/crdp/35/doc...ue/langue7.htm
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I've some ancestors from Pays de Saint-Brieuc. Gallo (Oïl Romance language) would be spoken there. But I wonder when the transition Breton/Gallo has happened (I mean exactly; after the IX century, it's a bit imprecise...) and how long that has taken for the Breton to be replaced by Gallo.
I don't know for the province but Sant-Brieg/Saint-Brieuc was "gallo-romanized" in 1100.
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Furthermore there is no such thing as "Serbo-Croatian" language. If the map shows Czech and Slovak; Macedonian and Bulgarian; Swedish, Danish and Norwegian and even Scot English all as separate languages it should do so with Croatian, Serbian (and Bosnian).
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Furthermore there is no such thing as "Serbo-Croatian" language. If the map shows Czech and Slovak; Macedonian and Bulgarian; Swedish, Danish and Norwegian and even Scot English all as separate languages it should do so with Croatian, Serbian (and Bosnian).
What about the Bosniak language (not Bosnian, Bosniak)?
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even Scot English all as separate languages
it's interesting to see that. Certainly it is a different dialect but I wouldn't personally go so far as to say its a seperate language. English people are able to communicate without much trouble with the Scottish & I don't consider them all bilingual in order to do so. I'd imagine that some other English dialects are harder for them to understand than Scots.
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What about the Bosniak language (not Bosnian, Bosniak)?
Bosnian = Bosniak
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Bosnian = Bosniak
Yet, I was told by a Bosniak there's a difference, first, between Bosnian and Bosniak people (what I did understand), and second, between Bosnian and Bosniak language...
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What about the Bosniak language (not Bosnian, Bosniak)?
That language do not exist.Does people in Australia speak ''Australian''??
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That language do not exist.Does people in Australia speak ''Australian''??
Well, that's only what I've been told by a Bosniak; that's why I'm asking for a confirmation/invalidation... Maybe I was misleaded for we've only one word in French for Bosniak/Bosnian. It's such a mess in the Balkans anyway.

Well, Australians speak English, but I assume it differs from the one spoken by English, thus we could speak of an Australian language (Australian English), likewise we'd speak of American for English spoken in America. But if you ask me, the only Australian language should be the one of the Aboriginal Australians.
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Yet, I was told by a Bosniak there's a difference, first, between Bosnian and Bosniak people (what I did understand), and second, between Bosnian and Bosniak language...
There is a difference when we do not speak about language. For example when you refer to a man as 'Bosnian' that means he comes from Bosnia....this is thus teritorial designation and a 'Bosnian' can be a Croat, Serb, Bosniak, etc...

When you refer to 'Bosniak' then you refer to ethnic group of Bosnian Muslims.

The language is still by some strange coincedance called 'Bosnian' not 'Bosniak' although the latter would be more true.

So anyway.... Bosnian = Bosniak ....when talking about language that is.
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@Zrinski & Slavni : Understood. It's clear now. Thanks.
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In the map the Mirandese language is not correctly indicated, it should be on the border between Portugal and Spain not in the middle of the province of Leon.
Other than that, interesting.
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In the map the Mirandese language is not correctly indicated, it should be on the border between Portugal and Spain not in the middle of the province of Leon.
Other than that, interesting.
It is a bit confusing, but I think Mirandese is actually represented by a small dot in North-East Portugal, while the small dots in the province of León represent (Asturian-)Leonese language.
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