Islamo-Nazism

[Menydh]

[Aptrgangr]

The connections between Hitler and the Gand Mufti of Jerusalem and other Muslims surely play a big role in pro-neoconist and other media. The fact some NS sided with Muslim activisists in recent times caused much damage to any nationalism.

Islamo-Nazis
Tell The Children The Truth - Homepage
Nazi Roots of Modern Radical Islam

Nationalsozialismus. Islamismus. Terrorpop

[Menydh]

If there is a link between Nazism and Islamism, it is surely not in any presumed idea of nation in Nazism but in its trans-national nature. We should not forget that Islam is of a nature opposed to anything nationalist.

Much closer to Nazism on the other hand is Zionism. In fact the parallels between Nazism and Zionism are frightening.

[Franze]

But there are connections like the anti-semitism and others, and some nazis spoke very well about islam, Himmler said "that islam is the perfect religion for war" for example.
Nazism has been the most important destroyer of the white race, this is a reason for refusing nazism, they only killed white people.

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

If there is a link between Nazism and Islamism, it is surely not in any presumed idea of nation in Nazism but in its trans-national nature. We should not forget that Islam is of a nature opposed to anything nationalist.

Much closer to Nazism on the other hand is Zionism. In fact the parallels between Nazism and Zionism are frightening.

Very true. The closest the Arab world came to National Socialism was the Ba'ath Party, which was founded by an Arab Christian. The Arab Islamists, on the other hand, seem to be uninterested in a powerful state or creating industries useful to the military; they seem to have an anarcho-theocratic utopia in mind.

Iran and Hezbollah in south Lebanon seem to have a policy of "war socialism" but that's not especially Nazi.

[Breogan]

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

The connections between Hitler and the Gand Mufti of Jerusalem and other Muslims surely play a big role in pro-neoconist and other media. The fact some NS sided with Muslim activisists in recent times caused much damage to any nationalism.

Islamo-Nazis
Tell The Children The Truth - Homepage
Nazi Roots of Modern Radical Islam

Nationalsozialismus. Islamismus. Terrorpop

But this "relationship" was just interested and followed the politics: "the enemy (Islamism) of my enemy (Zionism) is my friend", that is absolutely retarded.

Germany had not to suffer Islamism historically, and this also explains the Himmler's considerations.

[Franze]

Originally Posted by AFAS

Very true. The closest the Arab world came to National Socialism was the Ba'ath Party, which was founded by an Arab Christian. The Arab Islamists, on the other hand, seem to be uninterested in a powerful state or creating industries useful to the military; they seem to have an anarcho-theocratic utopia in mind.

Iran and Hezbollah in south Lebanon seem to have a policy of "war socialism" but that's not especially Nazi.

The Baath Party, is the most similar, but now the tendence is about islamism and dissolve the poor muslim national identities.
Jesus said that Go and Preach the Gospel to all nations and Muhammad said that the ummah ( a nation of muslims) was the priority, this is one of the reasons, that nationalism is more prevalent in the christendom that in the islam land, the notion of nation, was clear since the beginning in the christendom, in islam, it wasn´t but the opposite.

[Nerthus]

Zionism is National Socialism for Jews according to how zionists define themselves:

"Among Jews, those who are descended from the cohanim, or race of holy Jewish priests, are the equivalent to Aryans in European populations. Our master race will be made from cohanim for the sake of ensuring a Jewish homeland and preservation for Jewish children forever. Adolf Hitler had great wisdom when he realized that no ethnic group can exist without suppressing the inferior races, so that it can breed healthy generations of children in the future. Adolf Hitler was directly responsible for the founding of Israel. Of all the people who have ever dealt with Jews, Rabbi Meir Kahane and Adolf Hitler were the only two honest ones."

Also, the Zionist Federation of Germany believed that their ideology and NS had a lot in common - folkish racialism, anti-liberal doctrine, desire for Jews to leave Germany, etc.

Joachim Prinz wrote in Zionism under the Nazi Government:

"Everyone in Germany knew that only the Zionists could responsibly represent the Jews in dealings with the Nazi government. We all felt sure that one day the government would arrange a round table conference with the Jews, at which – after the riots and atrocities of the revolution had passed – the new status of German Jewry could be considered. The government announced very solemnly that there was no country in the world which tried to solve the Jewish problem as seriously as did Germany. Solution of the Jewish question? It was our Zionist dream! We never denied the existence of the Jewish question! Dissimilation? It was our own appeal! ... In a statement notable for its pride and dignity, we called for a conference."

Most NS however support Islamists based on antisemitism and the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" belief, but also NS and Islam have something else in common, the doctrine of submission. There are some that do support Zionists however, the Green Nazis.

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

The connections between Hitler and the Gand Mufti of Jerusalem and other Muslims surely play a big role in pro-neoconist and other media. The fact some NS sided with Muslim activisists in recent times caused much damage to any nationalism.

I doubt many people think less of the Palestinians because the Grand Mufti met Hitler.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by AFAS

Very true. The closest the Arab world came to National Socialism was the Ba'ath Party, which was founded by an Arab Christian.

You might find this interesting, from the Syrian Social Nationalist Party: Social Nationalism VS National Socialism: (By Dr. Adel Bshara)

Other text previews on their site may be interesting too.

The Arab Islamists, on the other hand, seem to be uninterested in a powerful state or creating industries useful to the military; they seem to have an anarcho-theocratic utopia in mind.

Actually, the goal of Jihad is the restoration of the Khilafah or The Caliphate of Islam.

The Rise of the Caliphate

for more on The Caliphate I suggest that you search for the keywords "The Caliphate" together with keywords like "Ansar al-Islam" and "Al-Qaeda"... and perhaps "globalisation".

"Their saying" about The Caliphate

(from caliphate.eu/caliphate.co.uk):
The Caliphate

(from khilafah.com):
Khilafah - Home

[Menydh]

I haven't checked the source. A bit "esoteristic" to my taste. But fun to read nonetheless, as with all conspiracies theories where "esotericism" is involved:

The Nazi Islamist Connection


There is over whelming evidence that Islamism is Nazism dressed up in Islamic clothing.

Medieval Islam carrier of the occult that set the stage for Nazism
When Islam conquered Arab, Greek, Persian and Hindu lands many of the native occult practices survived. Some of these became integrated into one of several Sufi traditions. Sufi Islam emphasizes intimate experience with God and often involved mysticism or pantheistic or gnostic concepts of God.

During the Crusades Europeans entered Muslim lands and were exposed to these occult practices. These Crusades helpd the non-Muslim Spaniards and non-Muslims in Eastern Europe sucessfully resist Islamic control.Both the return of Spain and parts of Eastern Europe to Christian control and the return of the European crusaders to Europe brought into European societies occult practices practiced in Islamic lands for centuries.

These practices included, among other things,astrology,tarot cards, and alchemy. The entrance of these practices resulted in a resurgence of paganism in Europe and renewed interest in Europe pre-Christian occult traditions. These traditions, particularly in Germany, influenced the intellectual elite. Hegel was one German philosopher who was part of a revived version of the ancient cult of Hermes Trismegistus. Hegel used this cult's philosophy to justify global fascism. This occult stream eventually fed into the Thule Society-which evolved into the National Socialist Workers Party commonly called the Nazi Party.

British espionage weakened Traditional Islamic authority.
British intelligence in the 19th century sought a device to weaken the Ottoman Empire. They believed that if Islam were destroyed from within that the Ottoman Empire would become sick. The Ottoman did become known as The Sick Man of Europe and it was no accident.

British spy Hempher recruited a young Muslim man named Muhammad ibn `Abd al-Wahhab to start a new sect of Islam. The purpose was to weaken traditional Islamic authority and thereby divide or decapitate Islamic power. The strategy worked perfectly. Europe, threatened by Islamic domination for about 1000 years would soon dominate the Islamic world. In 1918 the Ottoman Empire Falls and for the first time in over 1000 years the Middle East is not under united Islamic control. An officer in the fallen Ottoman Empire, Haj Amin Al Husseini, began dreaming of restoring Islamic Empire. This dream would lead to the marriage of Nazism and Islam.

This weakening of traditional Islamic opened the door to the Nazi to claim to be Islamic. it would provide the means for Nazis to have safe haven after WW2 and eventually open the door to Islamism -Nazism dressed in Islamic clothing. This chapter would begin when Amin al Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jeruslem, would make contact with Hitler.


more in their website: The Islamist Nazi connection

[Errigal]

Those kinds of conspiracy theories remind me of this child's game called Mousetrap.

[Erasmus]

If you can read Spanish, read this curious manifesto for a Islamic-Spanish-American Resistance against US and Zionism*:

Universo del Búho 46: Manifiesto Iberoamericano...

*Its authors are a famous Argentinian NS, his Italian wife and a Mexican writer.

[Der]

Originally Posted by Aeternitas

Zionism is National Socialism for Jews according to how zionists define themselves:

"Among Jews, those who are descended from the cohanim, or race of holy Jewish priests, are the equivalent to Aryans in European populations. Our master race will be made from cohanim for the sake of ensuring a Jewish homeland and preservation for Jewish children forever. Adolf Hitler had great wisdom when he realized that no ethnic group can exist without suppressing the inferior races, so that it can breed healthy generations of children in the future. Adolf Hitler was directly responsible for the founding of Israel. Of all the people who have ever dealt with Jews, Rabbi Meir Kahane and Adolf Hitler were the only two honest ones."

Zionism is NS for jews acording to them selves? here we can see the real evil of Zionism, they define them selves as the equivalent of what according to them and their missleading propaganda is: "the most evil ideology that the world has ever seen". (Of course this evil Nazism is nothing but the result of 60 years of jewish lies and propaganda.)

Well I am sorrry to say, but their definition of Nationalsocialism is very poor and couldn't be further fromthe truth.
How can they define them selves as the equivalent of something wich they do not know what it is?

There is no denying that there are some similarities between Nationalsocialism and Zionism. But to state that they are equivalents is just extravagant.

Other than some similarities wich do exist, one has nothing to do with the other.

The Zionists define them selves and Nationalsocialism like this: Our master race will be made from cohanim for the sake of ensuring a Jewish homeland and preservation for Jewish children forever. Adolf Hitler had great wisdom when he realized that no ethnic group can exist without suppressing the inferior races,

The Nationalsocialist definition of racialsm: "We appreciate the fact that those of another race are different from us… Whether that other race is 'better' or 'worse' is not possible for us to judge. For this would demand that we transcend our own racial limitations for the duration of the verdict and take on a superhuman, even divine, attitude from which alone an 'impersonal' verdict could be formed on the value or lack of such of the many living forms of inexhaustible Nature."

From: Unravelling the official 'positions' of Nazism on race at various points

Nationalsocialism defended and defends the identities of other nations and peoples, one could say: The zionists wish to defend the jewish identity as the NS wished to do so with the Aryan one.

For our own, human, species this diversity of Nature is evident in the different races which exist, and in the different cultures which these races develope over time.
National-Socialism values this diversity and difference, and states that we should not only strive to maintain and aid this diversity, but also encourage the peoples and cultures which express this diversity and difference to continue to develope and evolve, for by so developing and evolving race and culture we are aiding the evolution of Nature and thus fulfilling our potential, as human beings.


Yet the Zionist have never done anything for other nations, far from it, the zionist have and are trying to destroy all world identities as we can all apreciate now a days.

Correctly defined and understood, National-Socialism is an ethnic philosophy which affirms that the different races, the different peoples, which exist are expressions of our human condition, and that these differences, this human diversity, should be treasured in the same way we treasure the diversity of Nature.

Such ethics are non existent in Zionism.