Are the Dutch also German ?

[VlaemscheGermaan]

I speak dutch myself,and I can say the language looks alot like german. I also can understand most of what a german says.

[Alfred P.]

Seems to me, you´d like to.
So be it - in my steely grey eyes you are German. I hope it satisfies you.

My Father is from a ethnically German village in Wielkopolska (former "Warthegau"). He himself considers himself Polish, though. My Mother is a motley of Polish, as well as French and Slovenian ancestors. I live in Denmark.

Am I German, please....?

[Menydh]

Alfred, you are not a German. But the Nederlanders (Flemish included) are Germanic (not German but Germanic). And by the way, VlaemscheGermaan, you wouldn't be Germanic because you speak a Germanic language (Flemish, Dutch, whatever), but because you would belong to the Germanic meta-ethnic group.

I mean, one of those Dutch with Indonesian admixture wouldn't be a Germanic, nor a Turkish or Moroccan immigrant in The Netherlands who spoke Dutch as a first language.

As for the map, fine but it is a bit vague. English in Ireland as ethnic? Not a chance. I would even take Cornwall away from the English group..

As for "Spaniards", it is not the proper word to address Castilians, Leonese, Asturians, Aragonese, S. Navarrans, etc.. when other Spaniards.. or Hispanics (Portuguese, Galicians, Catalans, Valencians, Basques) are in the picture as separate sub-groups.

I would go on to France and then others, but it is not worth. The map says "Racial Map of Europe", and yet it is a strange mixture of language and state-borders and perhaps some ethnic background. Rather coarse in some points.

[Alfred P.]

Thanks Mynydd. I am disillusioned but happy to know. At least I know!

[Nerthus]

Good question. Sure, they are Germanic. Some believe that the Dutch are Low Germans, but I'd say self identification holds an important role here. Even the Flemish question is disputed - do all Flemish people really cosnider themselves Dutch, or do some want a more independent identity?

Concerning languages and language relations, I found this an interesting link:

Characterisation of the Germanic language family

[Carnyx]

It's a "racial" map based on languages. It's an old thing.

As for France, Provençals are located on the left side of the Rhône river (with a little bit on the right bank) but not all south easterners are Provençals. Also it goes too far (south) westward.

[Alfred P.]

Was THE Bohemian Corporal a German?
Btw, has anybody here attempted to classify Him? It might be a challenging exercise, maybe even more than classifying Ms Stone.

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Alfred P.

Was THE Bohemian Corporal a German?
Btw, has anybody here attempted to classify Him? It might be a challenging exercise, maybe even more than classifying Ms Stone.

Which Caporal ? I know a German Caporal, he was not from Bohemia though.

[Alfred P.]

Hindenburg´s way of speaking of Der Fuhrer before he actually became Der Fuhrer (which happily for Hindenburg happened after his demise).

[Menydh]

Alfred P., just as a reminder. This is the Germanic ethnic section. Non Germanics (included staff, like myself) here are expected to respect the rules of due respect to the hosts.

[Carnyx]

That's what I said. Still the Caporal I know was from Austria not Bohemia.

[Nerthus]

There is a subforum for anything related to racial classifications. Let's not drift away from the original topic, please.

[VlaemscheGermaan]

Originally Posted by Aeternitas

Good question. Sure, they are Germanic. Some believe that the Dutch are Low Germans, but I'd say self identification holds an important role here. Even the Flemish question is disputed - do all Flemish people really cosnider themselves Dutch, or do some want a more independent identity?

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Since the Flemings have been seperated with the Northern Dutch for centuries,they've developed an own identity. The Flemish their dutch also sounds different then the Northern Dutch. It could be compared with Northern France and Occitania. Most of the national aware Flemish want an own Flemish state instead of a reunion with the Northern Netherlands. I wouldn't like a reunion with the Northern Dutch either.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by VlaemscheGermaan

Since the Flemings have been seperated with the Northern Dutch for centuries,they've developed an own identity. The Flemish their dutch also sounds different then the Northern Dutch. It could be compared with Northern France and Occitania.

Most of the national aware Flemish want an own Flemish state instead of a reunion with the Northern Netherlands. I wouldn't like a reunion with the Northern Dutch either.

There was a thread about this issue, but I can't find it.

Basically, my view is that in the end it would all depend on the form that a Germanic Nation would take. I suppose that one moderl could be some kind of confederation where Flanders is an autonomous sub-federal region within a "Lowlandic" sub-frame, which in turn is itself an autonomous federal region of a wider Germanic frame.

But in the end, it is up to the Flemish to decide. The same could be said of the Scandinavian countries, and there does not seem to be much excitement for an all-Germanic integration there, if at all.


There is another thread on this matter here: http://forum.stirpes.net/showthread.php?t=4970

[Zyklop]

Originally Posted by Alfred P.

Seems to me, you´d like to.
So be it - in my steely grey eyes you are German. I hope it satisfies you.

My Father is from a ethnically German village in Wielkopolska (former "Warthegau"). He himself considers himself Polish, though. My Mother is a motley of Polish, as well as French and Slovenian ancestors. I live in Denmark.

Am I German, please....?

No, you are just another immigrant maggot in a foreign country.

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

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