Primal Germanic Territory

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Saxonian Knight

Polak claims Germany have no claims what so ever. I added this map to prove that the eastern territories had a german population until 1945, that Breslau and Stettin were German cities. None of the eldery today in Stettin of Polish origin was born there.Germany today have every right to claim it. Everything is German: the cities, roads, churches, monasteries, castles, rivers, names, architecture.....

Does the principle of right of conquest ring the bell to you?

Under international law, it is defined as the acquisition of territory by force. It was in practice at the time when Poland acquired those lands.

Later to those years I believe that that principle was abandoned. However, not existing any treaty for the devolution of those lands to Germany, and the people currently living there not being German, the chances that those lands ever return to Germany approach zero.

Since you are not a German, I wonder what your interest is. Right, you are Germanic and the people who once lived there were Germanic. Fine.

Before the Germanics conquered those lands, the people who lived there were Baltic. So maybe they have every right to claim them.


But this is arguing much about nothing, because apart from alleged rights, legal rights or whatever other claims, the truth is that the only way that it will be German again is by means of conquest. And that we all know that it is not going to happen.

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

But this is arguing much about nothing, because apart from alleged rights, legal rights or whatever other claims, the truth is that the only way that it will be German again is by means of conquest. And that we all know that it is not going to happen.

And seeing Germany invaded by Turks and cie they will have to re-conquer it before all. But I assume they won't succeed untill Dantzig is not German again...

[Menydh]

You are right, of course.

Here we have a mid-aged Dutchman, with children, living in a country where it would be a miracle if the native Dutch ever managed by themselves to stop the invasion and ethnic substitution that they are experiencing, yet he talks of expansonist delusions on behalf of nations that are on the brink of ethnic extinction. What's to be expected from the likes of him?

Well, not only him. I mean, he is not the only one if you read the whole thread. And again, he is not the only one among those of his kind or similar kinds. What else are we supposed to expect to come from certain latitudes?

For some years we have tried to bring some sanity where there was none, and to try to make these [insert your favourite here from: nordic supremacists, northern supremacists, germanic supremacists, etc.] to come to terms with reality, if only for their own sanity sake.

But there must come a moment when one decides that he does not have the time to educate physically grown-up people on basic things for which they should have been educated by their family as children. If something failed in their education, it may well be because they did not meet the requirements.

And when that moment arrives, then things are looked at from a different perspective altogether. For example, the separatism that they proclaim must be encouraged and taken to levels of reality.

I think that that moment has arrived for me. I don't have the will anymore to plant on infertile grounds, and the resources and efforts that have been put there I consider them wasted and should be put where people have a serious and strong will to do things right.

I support their self-ghetto mentality.

[TiCon]

Originally Posted by RuneDK

First of all, please repost those maps... A red X doesn't teach me anything about old German territory...



Now you got all the Danes pissed off as well... That map shows North Nordslesvig/Nordschleswig as a part of Germany... The loss of Slesvig-Holsten/Schleswig-Holstein to Germany is probably why many Danes still dislike Germans.(I don't, but the majority do.) It's a small piece of land for Germany, but a large piece for Denmark. I guess it's a bit the same as the Poland-Germany relations...

Maybe, but most part of Schleswig-Holstein was and still is German-speaking Kiel, Flensburg), they were not Danish. Just because the area belonged once to Denmark does not justified the Danish claim. Same is about German-Polish conflict. The former German regions were untill 1945 mainly populated by Germans, thats justified the German claim. These natives were expelled after WWII. But anyone visiting one of the former cities in eastern Germany (Breslau, Posen, allenstein, Danzig, Stettin, Preussisch Holland) will clearly see the German past: mostly in architecture and the shaping of the cities.

Even if Poland owns these land for the next 1000 years, the German claims will always kept alive.

[Taurin]

Originally Posted by TiCon

Even if Poland owns these land for the next 1000 years, the German claims will always kept alive.

Don't know about claims - but what about Germans?