How do you see your Nation, ideally ?

[Der]

Originally Posted by Theobald

If you ask me I would choose pride over peace any time. I'd rather die as a free man than live as a slave.
However France and Bosnia are quite different "issues". Can descents of islamized Serbs and Croats be considered as a "Nation", and is this so-called "Nation" worth fighting and dying for ? Or should Bosnian (ex-)Muslims look for their original identity and religion in Serbia and Croatia ? That's up to you to choose. But never give up your pride and your freedom for peace and tranquillity, because one day - and sooner than you may think - your very peace will be threatened as well by those you didn't want to fight because you feared war and violence. That's called the "Munich syndrom".

I think that that map has no fundament at all in it.
I can't wait to hear what the wider view of Europe is, and how can parts of Poland wich are not germanized be included in that German federation, that is denial of identity, a future project for Euroope should be based in present ethnic realities not past ones and the will of the volk.

[Gavril]

Originally Posted by Saxonian Knight

A national-Socialist pan-Germanic federation.

À la Hitler? Why -didn't you get enough the first time around?
I find it very hard to take neo-NS and their dream world serious.

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Ljubomir

À la Hitler? Why -didn't you get enough the first time around?
I find it very hard to take neo-NS and their dream world serious.

So much of it is said for shock value, like someone saying they're a satanist or something. I myself think there's a lot to be gained from looking at the nationalist movements unfiltered by the 68ers but that's totally different from the NS political porn loved by so many.

[Whiteruthenian]

Originally Posted by Ariets

2. Poland with borders from 1921 + 1946 + "European Russia" with "Krolewiec".

Your map is strange. Do you dream of the Poland “from the see to the see”? Why then did you stop on the borders of 1939? It is treason! And neither Ukrainians nor Belarusians were loyal citizens of II Rzecz Pospolita 1921-1939 (to put it mildly), so what are you going to do with them in your new Poland?

Here is an alternative cannibalish chauvinistic Belarusian map. United ethnographical lands:

Originally Posted by Saxonian Knight

A national-Socialist pan-Germanic federation.

However, which borders , which areas it should include is certainly a debate of argue

To be honest I prefer your map over Ariets' one.

[TiCon]

My ideal nation: more or less like this

Sorry for those who feel offended by this map.

[svin]

Saxonian Knight, I thought you're dreaming about pan-Germanic state, not about Germano-Slavo-Baltic state. And what about English? They are Germanic too.

[TiCon]

Originally Posted by svin

Saxonian Knight, I thought you're dreaming about pan-Germanic state, not about Germano-Slavo-Baltic state. And what about English? They are Germanic too.

Where do you see Baltic? Germania in this map is Scandinavia without Finland, all within the Red line in western Europe and within the Black line in the east. As for the few Slavs in Germania... Well guess how to solve that problem

English are free to join, but they are sepperated from the continent. Difficult to bind them to us though.

[Aramis]

Originally Posted by Saxonian Knight

My ideal nation: more or less like this

Sorry for those who feel offended by this map.

No offence, but such a state would be unstable and just collapse. It never existed, and it never will (just my opinion).

[svin]

Where do you see Baltic?

Where? Did you see Konigsberg, Memel on the map? These are lands of Balts. Ever heard of Lithuanians or Prussians?

English are free to join, but they are sepperated from the continent. Difficult to bind them to us though.

For others, membership is compulsory? What if Danes disagree? Would you start killing them?

[Leland Gaunt]

Originally Posted by Hohenheim

No offence, but such a state would be unstable and just collapse. It never existed, and it never will (just my opinion).

[skadi mode] You are anti-Germanic!!! Ban!!! [/skadi mode off]

[TiCon]

Originally Posted by svin

Where? Did you see Konigsberg, Memel on the map? These are lands of Balts. Ever heard of Lithuanians or Prussians?



For others, membership is compulsory? What if Danes disagree? Would you start killing them?

Königsberg and Memel where until 1945 German-populated areas. Prussians where a Baltic tribe, Yes, they do not exist anymore, so whats your point?

What does make you think that Germania should be an exact copy of the third Reich? Danes should not been killed, not by fellow Germanic brothers anyway. Germania could be the best alternative for the Germanic peoples of Europe, for our survival, our culture and our existence.

[svin]

But I understand why Dutch dreams of such big territories (too many people and too small country). Maybe it's eve better for them to join Germany, I don't know.

Königsberg and Memel where until 1945 German-populated areas. Prussians where a Baltic tribe, Yes, they do not exist anymore, so whats your point?

But Lithuanians exist.

Danes should not been killed, not by fellow Germanic brothers anyway.

But you said that only English can join if they want. That means that for other Germanics membership is compulsory? Or what? What if they don't want to join? I don't understand why Norwegians would join, for example? Their country is rich with oil, they have very high level of live, they only need to get rid of immigrants. So why do they need it? And what if they wouldn't want to join?

[Gavril]

Originally Posted by svin

What if Danes disagree? Would you start killing them?

He might as well kill them while cleaning up Ukraine, Poland, etc.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Saxonian Knight

Sorry for those who feel offended by this map.

Well, considering that you are Dutch and that the Dutch have been unable to keep a small country like The Netherlands, I find it not offensive but ridiculously pretentious.

Also, the common link to all the peoples included in that land is only the origin of the language that each of them speaks. And not even for all of them.

I must also add that the map is significative in the sense that it would create a macro-state, much like the E.U. is a macro-state, of an unprecedented danger to the freedom and the sovereigny of the nations and peoples of Europe.

In fact, the idiots who designed that map also designed a map where they divided Western European nations into small, regional micro-countries.

A Western Europe and Eastern Europe alliance of equal or bigger magnitude would be absolutely necessary to protect the free nations against that spawn.

[Theobald]

In fact I see no problem in a pan-Germanic confederation, if Germanic peoples wish so. But when pan-Germanicists start claiming non-Germanic territories (Northern Italy, Slovenia, Ukraine, Czech Republic, Belarus, ... and I am not talking about the former German regions currently under Polish rule) or areas inhabitated by Germanic peoples who want to stay independent, like Scandinavians or North-Eastern French, then there is a problem. And this is not only ridiculously pretentious but also offensive for these peoples since too many of our ancestrors died to defend these principles.
Do you really need more wars, deaths and defeats to understand that we do not want of German rule here ?