Could the relations of Russia with Europe be a threat to Atlantism?

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This is speculation on my part, but I am convinced that the Atlantic alliance has already sensed the threat which increased normal relations of the European Union with Russia poses to the Western treaty. I will, however, offer some elements for analysis.

One should bear in mind that the closer that Europe gets to Russia, the farther it can get away from America and from the Atlantic Alliance. Let us not forget the reasons behind the creation of NATO and the latest moves of expansion of NATO into the area of influence of Russia, as in a clear provocation and attempt to isolation.

America, although at the peak of its power, has entered in the fast lane for its decline. Its influence over Europe is shaking and if it lost Europe as an allied it would be much isolated in a moment that is critical. At present they can only clinge to Britain's influence in Europe. Even the existance of NATO has been put into question.

But if Europe sensed Russia as a threat, then things would change and Atlantism, good old Westernism, would receive some oxygen.

I was told just a few hours ago that British newspapers today are showing much hostility against Russia after the death by poisoning of the ex-KGB spy and defector, Alexander Litvinenko.

I was also told of some comment on the British tabloid The Sun, along the lines that Britain should upgrade its nuclear facilities to meet "the New Russia". I set myself to search for that comment on the digital edition of The Sun and other British newspapers, but unfortunately I couldn't find it.

One thing to notice is that Alexander Litvinenko was a former KGB agent, he defected in 2000 and he was given shelter in Britain. If Russia is not the totalitarian USSR anymore, why would Britain shelter a former spy and defector, introducing this way an element of open hostility against Russia?

Perhaps the latest moves of approaches between the EU and Russia could answer this question.

Next follows related news on the case of Litvinenko. Also a news on the disruption of a EU-Russia summit in Helsinki. Not directly related.. or is it?

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Ex-KGB spy 'poisoned by alpha radiation'

The Telegraph
November 24, 2006

A radiation alert was declared by the Government this evening as it was disclosed that a former KGB colonel who died in London had been poisoned with a rare and deadly substance.

Alexander Litvinenko, in his last statement before his death, accused the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, of being responsible for his murder.

Security chiefs increasingly fear that state-sponsored agents were responsible for the death of Mr Litvinenko, whose body was ravaged by polonium 210, which is rarely used outside military and scientific establishments and requires professional expertise.

Scientists found a "significant, large" amount in his urine.

Traces of polonium were also found in Mr Litvinenko's home and a restaurant and hotel he had visited in London.

If evidence of Russian involvement emerges, it threatens to plunge relations between London and Moscow to the kind of low last seen during the era of Cold War espionage.

Security chiefs are particularly alarmed at the possibility that Russia might be prepared to strike out at critics abroad with little care for its public image.

Scotland Yard stopped short of confirming a murder inquiry but the affair is causing increasing alarm in Government.

Its Cobra committee, which handled the July bombings and was last convened in August at the time of the alleged plot to blow up airliners, met several times throughout Thursday night and today.

The Home Secretary, John Reid, chaired a meeting at lunchtime, after which the Government took the extraordinary step of asking the chiefs of its Health Protection Agency (HPA) to host a news conference aimed at re-assuring the public about risks from polonium 210.

The HPA chief executive, Prof Pat Troop, said the finding of radioactive polonium in Mr Litvinenko's body was "unprecedented."

Such poisoning has never been seen in the UK and the HPA knows of no other case around the world.

But she insisted the pollonium 210 was not dangerous to the wider public and would only be lethal if it was ingested or breathed in.

There has been no explanation of how Mr Litvinenko had the material in his body. Scotland Yard sources said a "major operation" had been launched to check for traces of polonium 210 at five locations in London - a sushi restaurant and a hotel bar, both in central London, where Mr Litvinenko met associates on Nov 1, the day he fell ill; his home in Muswell Hill, north London; and two hospitals in London.

This evening, it was confirmed polonium traces had been found at the Itsu sushi restaurant in Piccadilly, the Millennium Hotel, Grosvenor Square, and at Mr Litvinenko's home. All three sites were wholly or partly cordoned off.

Police are working with Government nuclear scientists and it is still unclear when a post mortem will be allowed.

Dozens of people who came into contact with Mr Litvinenko since Nov 1, including his wife, Marina, his son, Anatoly, his family and friends, bar and hotel staff and medical teams, will also be spoken to by doctors, though the HPA stressed that any residual traces of pollonium 210 would easily be washed away by normal hygiene.

In emotional scenes outside University College Hospital, where he died, Mr Litvinenko's statement was read by a friend and said of Mr Putin: "You have shown yourself to be as barbaric and ruthless as your most hostile critics have claimed. You may succeed in silencing one man, but the howl of protest from around the world will reverberate, Mr Putin, in your ears for the rest of your life. May God forgive you for what you have done, not only to me, but to beloved Russia and its people."

His father, Walter Litvinenko said: "My son died yesterday and he was killed by a little tiny nuclear bomb. It was so small that you could not see it. But the people who killed him have big nuclear bombs and missiles and those people should not be trusted.

"He was very courageous when he met death and I am proud of my son," he said.

"He was a very honest and good man. Marina (his wife) and Sasha (Alexander) were the most wonderful couple. They loved each other so much. They were so happy here in London, but the long hand of Moscow got them here on this soil."

Mr Putin told a press conference in Moscow: "As far as I understand from the medical statement, it does not say this was the result of violence, this was not a violent death. There's no grounds for speculation of this kind."

The Russian leader added: "I hope the British authorities would not contribute to instigating political scandal: it has nothing to do with reality."


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Dead spy was victim of radiation

The Guardian
November 24, 2006

The Russian former spy Alexander Litvinenko had received a high dose of radiation, probably polonium 210, before he died, scientists at the Health Protection Agency (HPA) revealed this afternoon.

The HPA chief executive, Pat Troop, told a news conference the agency was dealing with "an unprecedented event in the UK": the deliberate poisoning of someone with a radioactive substance.

Mr Litvinenko, a Russian dissident who fled to the UK in 2000, died last night, three weeks after becoming ill with suspected poisoning. In a statement dictated before his death and made public today, he accused the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, of being behind his killing.

It emerged today that traces of radioactive material had been found at three London locations, including a restaurant and bar where the former KGB agent had met contacts shortly before falling ill.

Scotland Yard said police had called in expert help to search for radioactive material at the Itsu sushi restaurant and the Millennium hotel in central London, and at Mr Litvinenko's home in north London.

Earlier, it said its counterterrorism unit was investigating the "unexplained death".

The home secretary, John Reid, chaired a meeting of Cobra, the government's emergency committee, to discuss Mr Litvinenko's death, a Cabinet Office spokeswoman said.

There were unconfirmed reports that the Foreign Office had spoken to the Russian authorities today about Mr Litvinenko's death and called it "a serious matter".

HPA teams were at the two London hospitals where Mr Litvinenko was treated to assess whether staff or family who had come into contact with him were now at risk, Professor Troop said.

The postmortem examination on Mr Litvinenko's body was delayed while experts sought to establish whether it was safe to perform the procedure.

"Our role is to assess the risk to the public and those who might have been in contact with this man," Prof Troop said.

Roger Cox, the director of the HPA's centre for radiation, chemical and environmental hazards, said small doses of polonium 210 could lead to increased cancer risks later in life, but only if they were ingested by people who came into contact with a contaminated substance. At high doses there would be enough damage to bone marrow, intestines and other organs to cause them to malfunction.

He said those people who had touched Mr Litvinenko as he lay dying could theoretically have ingested the radiation but stressed that hospital procedures and normal hygiene measures would have reduced the possibility to an "insignificant level".

Mr Cox said polonium 210 occurred naturally and was present in some foods in low doses. It was a "pure alpha emitter", which meant its short radiation particles would not pass through solid substances, such as skin, but could be ingested.

Earlier, Mr Litvinenko's friend Alexander Goldfarb read out a statement dictated by the 43-year-old in the presence of his wife, Marina, on Tuesday, two days before he died.

"You may succeed in silencing me, but that silence comes at a price," the statement said. "You have shown yourself to be as barbaric and ruthless as your most hostile critics claim.

"You may succeed in silencing one man. But a howl of protest from around the world will reverberate, Mr Putin, in your ears for the rest of your life. May God forgive you for what you have done."

Mr Litvinenko, who has been living in London since defecting from Russia six years ago, said: "I am honoured to be a British citizen."

Mr Litvinenko died in hospital just after 9pm yesterday. His condition had deteriorated rapidly after he suffered a heart attack and lost consciousness on Wednesday night.

Speaking outside the hospital this morning, his father, Walter Litvinenko, who was at his son's bedside when he died, described him as "very courageous".

"A terrible thing has happened here today," he said in Russian, wiping tears from his eyes. "He was a very honest and good man and we loved him very much. And now he is not with us.

"He was very courageous when he met his death and I am proud of my son. It was an excruciating death ... but he never lost his human dignity.

"Marina and [Alexander] were the most wonderful couple. They were so happy here in London, but the long hand of Moscow got them here on this soil. This regime is a mortal danger to the world."

Since Mr Litvinenko became ill, his friends and family have insisted that he was the victim of a Moscow plot.

The former KGB agent was a fierce critic of Mr Putin's government and was investigating the murder of his friend, the Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya, when he became ill.

But both the Kremlin and Russia's foreign intelligence service, the SVR, have denied any involvement.

President Putin hit back this afternoon at claims he was behind the death, saying there was no proof that it was "violent".

Speaking, at an EU-Russia summit in Helsinki for the first time since Mr Litvinenko's death, he said: "There's no grounds for speculation of this kind." He sent his condolences to the former spy's family.

He added: "I hope the British authorities would not contribute to instigating political scandal. it has nothing to do with reality."

If Russia is found to have had a hand in the poisoning, there could be serious diplomatic consequences. It would be the first such incident known in the west since the end of the cold war.

Mr Litvinenko's friend Oleg Gordievsky, another former spy who defected to Britain, said his friend was a victim of "revenge and malice" of "evil forces" in Russia.

One doctor said the type of poison used may never be known. Earlier suggestions that it was a heavy metal such as thallium or a radioactive substance were dismissed yesterday.

A Russian intelligence officer said today that he was ready to answer questions from British police over a meeting he had with Mr Litvinenko the day before he fell ill.

The man, a former officer in the FSB state security service, told a Russian newspaper that he met Mr Litvinenko in the bar of a London hotel on November 1 along with two other Russian acquaintances.

The next day, Mr Litvinenko called him to cancel another meeting because he felt unwell, he told Kommersant.

Mr Litvinenko fled to Britain in 2000 with his wife and son after, he claimed, he refused to carry out an order from senior FSB officers to murder the Russian billionaire Boris Berezovsky.

Four years ago, he co-wrote a book that alleged that FSB agents were behind the bombing of blocks of flats in Russia that killed more than 300 people in 1999 and were blamed by Russian officials on Chechen guerrillas.


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Death will cast shadow over relations with Kremlin

The Times
November 24, 2006

Alexander Litvinenko died in a London hospital last night three weeks after succumbing to a mysterious poison he said was administered by his former colleagues in Russian intelligence.

University College Hospital said that the former Russian intelligence officer died after suffering a heart attack on Wednesday night when he fell into unconsciousness and was put on a life-support machine.

His death threatens to plunge relations between Britain and Russia into crisis. The anti-terrorist squad at Scotland Yard were leading the investigation into his suspected poisoning, which is now likely to become a murder inquiry.

President Putin of Russia could be questioned in public about the death today, when he attends an EU-Russia summit in Helsinki. He may be asked to respond to allegations that members of his security services were responsible for killing Mr Litvinenko, an outspoken critic of the regime.

In his last interview, Mr Litvinenko made clear that he blamed the Kremlin for his condition but appeared determined that opposition to Mr Putin continues.

A spokesman for University College Hospital, where Mr Litvinenko died at 9.21pm, said that the medical team had done everything possible to save his life.

The spokesman added: “Every avenue was explored to establish the cause of his condition and the matter is now an ongoing investigation being dealt with by detectives from New Scotland Yard. Because of this we will not be commenting any further on this matter. Our thoughts are with Mr Litvinenko’s family.”

Scotland Yard confirmed last night that they were treating it as an unexplained death.

The 43-year-old dissident was put on a ventilator yesterday after suffering heart failure. A further battery of tests yesterday ruled out thallium as the cause and doctors have now also dismissed radiation poisoning. As speculation intensified, on both the identity of the would-be assassin and the nature of the poison, doctors were forced to deny reports that three objects had shown up in X-rays of the patient.

Geoff Bellingan, head of critical care at UCL, said that shadows seen on the X-rays were caused by “Prussian blue”, which is used to treat thallium or caesium poisoning.

One theory was that some sort of chemotherapy drug had been used against Mr Litvinenko, who was given British citizenship after he fled Moscow in 2001.

Investigators said yesterday that without further help from Mr Litvinenko in recalling who he had met and what he had eaten and drunk in the 72 hours before he fell ill, their efforts to find the assassins would be hgreatly ampered.

Boris Berezovsky, the Russian multimillionaire who blames the Kremlin for the attack and had visited Mr Litvinenko in hospital before his death, said yesterday that he hoped that counter-terrorist detectives would “interview me soon about the poisoning”.

Denis MacShane, the former Foreign and Commonwealth Office minister, said that he was alarmed by claims about a Russian plot and said that there were “too many other examples” to dismiss the allegations. But he told Channel 4 News: “I think we shouldn’t rush to judgment.”

Claims surrounding the affair were “an all-out war between some incredibly powerful, rich, very well-connected people — some of them based in London — with great international contacts, and the Putin Government,” he added.

Mr MacShane said: “It should be left to British authorities, British doctors and British policemen” to say what happened. He described some of the press coverage as ghoulish, but Mr Litvinenko’s friends said that he had been pleased with the publicity, which he believed had raised questions about Russian hit squads operating abroad.


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Cold war shadow disrupts Russia talks

The Guardian
November 24, 2006

An EU-Russia summit in Helsinki opened in disarray today after Poland blocked the start of talks on a new wide-ranging pact, taking in energy and human rights.

Russia and the EU were supposed to begin talks on a Partnership and Cooperation Agreement (PCA), the fundamental text on trade and other issues to replace an existing agreement that ends next year.

The start of the talks was to have been the centrepiece of the summit, but Poland, in a dispute with Moscow over meat imports, wielded its veto.

The European commission can only start negotiations when all 25 EU member states have given it a mandate to do so. Poland - to the exasperation of other EU governments - became the first new member state to use its veto to block talks with a third country.

Poland's veto came in response to a Russian ban on its meat products. Russian authorities accuse Polish producers of violating hygiene laws and smuggling, although Moscow says there is no problem with the quality of Polish produce itself.

Warsaw retorts that the import ban was punishment for its embrace of the west and turning its back on its former imperial master.

The Polish veto was an embarrassing setback for the EU as it seeks agreement with Russia - its biggest energy supplier - over the security of future oil and gas supplies, and on democracy and human rights.

"Of course it would be better not to have it (the Polish veto) but we are going to keep on working," the EU foreign policy chief, Javier Solana, said as he arrived at the summit. "The situation will be overcome."

Energy is the thorniest issue between the EU and Russia. With the EU increasingly dependent on oil and gas from Russia, European governments want to ensure security of access and open up Russian oil and gas deposits and export pipelines to European companies.

"Energy is the key and the most difficult issue in EU-Russia relations, and there can be no immediate breakthrough at the summit. Talks may drag on for years," Fyodor Lukyanov, editor of Russia in Global Affairs magazine, told the Associated Press.

Russia and 50 other countries have signed the so-called Energy Charter, a treaty that took effect in 1998, setting out terms for trading and transporting energy across the Eurasian landmass. Moscow will not ratify it nor conclude a transit protocol with the EU that would force Gazprom, the Russian energy giant, to surrender its monopoly on transporting gas from Turkmenistan.

"It's out of the question that Russia will submit to EU pressure to ratify the charter," Konstantin Kosachev, the head of the Russian parliament's international affairs committee, told The Associated Press.

The EU sees the PCA as a way of getting the charter's language into a treaty, without requiring Russian ratification of the original Energy Charter.

Apart from energy, negotiations for a new partnership accord promise to be lengthy. The two sides have identified four key sectors - economic, justice, external security and research matters - as areas for closer cooperation.

On human rights, Russian officials said if EU chiefs challenged Mr Putin over his record he would counter by pointing to the treatment of ethnic Russians in new EU members Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. Moscow says they suffer discrimination.

The death of Alexander Litvinenko in London - three weeks after the former KGB agent and fierce Putin critic apparently ingested a mysterious poison - also hung over the Helsinki summit.

The Finnish prime minister, Matti Vanhanen, whose country holds the EU presidency, expressed sympathy to Mr Litvinenko's family but declined to say whether he would press Mr Putin about the death.

Russia has rejected claims from Mr Litvinenko's friends it had a hand in the poisoning. A Kremlin spokesman said Mr Litvinenko's death was "a tragedy."


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[IrishThirdPosition]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I was told just a few hours ago that British newspapers today are showing much hostility against Russia after the death by poisoning of the ex-KGB spy and defector, Alexander Litvinenko.

I was also told of some comment on the British tabloid The Sun, along the lines that Britain should upgrade its nuclear facilities to meet "the New Russia". I set myself to search for that comment on the digital edition of The Sun and other British newspapers, but unfortunately I couldn't find it.

One thing to notice is that Alexander Litvinenko was a former KGB agent, he defected in 2000 and he was given shelter in Britain. If Russia is not the totalitarian USSR anymore, why would Britain shelter a former spy and defector, introducing this way an element of open hostility against Russia?

Perhaps the latest moves of approaches between the EU and Russia could answer this question.

Next follows related news on the case of Litvinenko. Also a news on the disruption of a EU-Russia summit in Helsinki. Not directly related.. or is it?

It's a likely scenario that Litvinenko had some kind of a fall-out (excuse the pun) with notorious Zionist crook Boris Berezovsky - who, after being caught funnelling billions out of Russia to feed both Israel and his own pocket, has been under the protection of the Blair regime - who is, of course, acting under orders from the Jewish Board of Deputies.

It's likely that Litvinenko was "sacrificed" in a bid to create a martyr and bring a ton of bricks down on Putin, who has become an enemy of international finance. Hardly a surprise when he supports freedom of opinion in academia, pro-family laws (such as the sterility tax), and has taken measures against immigration, American aggression in the Middle East, and the dollar hegemony.

One unusual quote which interests me in light of the events of the past week came from Vladimir Zhirinovsky, while speaking in St. Petersburg last April: "Great Britain has been masterminding anti-Russian actions for a hundred years already. Great Britain is our prime enemy throughout history."

"Our oligarchs found an asylum in London. Terrorist Akhmed Zakayev was also granted a political asylum there. Our country’s enemy, oligarch Boris Berezovsky, is hiding there too. There is a flight route Moscow-London-Moscow. I hate flying this route to that scary gloomy city. As long as the British government and Great Britain exist, they will continue to plot against us."

We Irish know how he feels

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Originally Posted by IrishThirdPosition

It's a likely scenario that Litvinenko had some kind of a fall-out (excuse the pun) with notorious Zionist crook Boris Berezovsky - who, after being caught funnelling billions out of Russia to feed both Israel and his own pocket, has been under the protection of the Blair regime - who is, of course, acting under orders from the Jewish Board of Deputies.

I had heard of some Jewish element in the Litvinenko case.

It's likely that Litvinenko was "sacrificed" in a bid to create a martyr and bring a ton of bricks down on Putin, who has become an enemy of international finance. Hardly a surprise when he supports freedom of opinion in academia, pro-family laws (such as the sterility tax), and has taken measures against immigration, American aggression in the Middle East, and the dollar hegemony.

Despite all the likelihood of Litvinenko having been sacrificed as you well say, your statement would be classified as a conspirative theory and paranoid at it.

However, notice how Litvinenko accused in a book to Russia of having organized the bombing of the flats in Russia that killed more than 300 people in 1999, to blame the Chechen terrorists (The Guardian calls them guerrillas. The British media has been often accused of giving such benvolous names to ETA terrorists in an attempt to diminish the murderous importance of their activities).

Who's the conspirative theorist here?

One unusual quote which interests me in light of the events of the past week came from Vladimir Zhirinovsky, while speaking in St. Petersburg last April: "Great Britain has been masterminding anti-Russian actions for a hundred years already. Great Britain is our prime enemy throughout history."

I have to agree here. But not only Russia's.

"Our oligarchs found an asylum in London. Terrorist Akhmed Zakayev was also granted a political asylum there. Our country’s enemy, oligarch Boris Berezovsky, is hiding there too. There is a flight route Moscow-London-Moscow. I hate flying this route to that scary gloomy city. As long as the British government and Great Britain exist, they will continue to plot against us."

As long as Great Britain exists, they will continue to plot against Europe in favour of their Universalist agenda with center in the City of London and New York.

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Strange that while BBC News tells about polonium-210 that..

... the radioactive substance implicated is as difficult to obtain as it can be to detect.

Polonium-210 occurs naturally in the environment and in people at low concentrations. But acquiring enough of it to kill would require individuals with expertise and connections.

Professor Nick Priest, one of the few UK physicists to have worked with polonium-210, told BBC News that just one milligram (a thousandth of a gram) of the radioactive substance could have been responsible for Mr Litvinenko's death.

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A revealing report in The Irish Bulletin about the case Litvinenko:

[...]It seems that days before the poisoning of the former KGB agent hit the headlines, Russia and the government of the United Kingdom (I stress the government, not any particular person within that structure) were preparing to sign an extradition treaty, guaranteeing mutual co-operation in transferring criminal elements from one country to the other, as the need arises.

Of course, top of that extradition list would be one Mr. Boris Berezovsky (left), who is wanted by the Russian authorities for a variety of crimes. Facing the dock for looting Russia of billions - ostensibly for the benefit of his "motherland" of Israel - it's clear that the former oligarch, a close friend of Blair, Bush and co., needed a distraction - and quickly [...]

[Read it from the source]

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Heh, I dearly hope so. Germany has good relations with Russia ever since 1990 (and even though that the Idot Chancellor Merkel does everything do torpedo that, it seems). IMO, closer relations to Russia and China (and thus generally, to SCO) could be a good counterweight, so to say for Germany "against" the EU and NATO - so that Germany does not become, in foreign policy, too dependnt on Europe and Transatlantism, but becomes a player on its own between the blocks.

[Pagandawn]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

This is speculation on my part, but I am convinced that the Atlantic alliance has already sensed the threat which increased normal relations of the European Union with Russia poses to the Western treaty. I will, however, offer some elements for analysis.

One should bear in mind that the closer that Europe gets to Russia, the farther it can get away from America and from the Atlantic Alliance. Let us not forget the reasons behind the creation of NATO and the latest moves of expansion of NATO into the area of influence of Russia, as in a clear provocation and attempt to isolation.

America, although at the peak of its power, has entered in the fast lane for its decline. Its influence over Europe is shaking and if it lost Europe as an allied it would be much isolated in a moment that is critical. At present they can only clinge to Britain's influence in Europe. Even the existance of NATO has been put into question.

But if Europe sensed Russia as a threat, then things would change and Atlantism, good old Westernism, would receive some oxygen.

I was told just a few hours ago that British newspapers today are showing much hostility against Russia after the death by poisoning of the ex-KGB spy and defector, Alexander Litvinenko.

I was also told of some comment on the British tabloid The Sun, along the lines that Britain should upgrade its nuclear facilities to meet "the New Russia". I set myself to search for that comment on the digital edition of The Sun and other British newspapers, but unfortunately I couldn't find it.

One thing to notice is that Alexander Litvinenko was a former KGB agent, he defected in 2000 and he was given shelter in Britain. If Russia is not the totalitarian USSR anymore, why would Britain shelter a former spy and defector, introducing this way an element of open hostility against Russia?

Perhaps the latest moves of approaches between the EU and Russia could answer this question.

Next follows related news on the case of Litvinenko. Also a news on the disruption of a EU-Russia summit in Helsinki. Not directly related.. or is it?

Are you nuts? This forum is supposed to promote European unity and Nationalism?

America is not European. America bad. Russia is European. Russia is good.

Atlantism or American influence in Europe is extreemly bad for us. If we were free from it we would be the one superpower. More powerful then the US. The Euro would be more powerful than the dollar. The Arabs would be our friends, not our enemies.

Nato and Atlantism was the result of the for Europe very devastating WW2. After 1945 America has ruled Europe.

It has been utter disaster. We need to free ourselves, dismantle Nato and kick the stoopid hillbilly troops to were they belong.

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Originally Posted by Pagandawn