Europe back to the europeans!

[LoKi]

1. CIVILIZATION CRISIS AND THE COLLAPSE OF OUR SOCIETY
European countries remain attached to the greatness of a civilization wich they believe still exits : there is however a gap between reality and its representation since the only crisis of civilization that we know is presently that of the european countries.
At the top, a wealthy ruling class which after 30 years in power is only capable of perpetuating illusions.
The regimist Europe was able to prolong its existence thanks to its obedient submission to that corrupted ruling class. But this class has no freedom of action, it is only a hostage and a toy in the hands of
the american super power.
As things stand the ruling class naturally imposes myths and models alien to the European Mind particularly the so called “Consumer society” or more precisely the “Production Society”; a social organization “massified” to the extreme and in which popular community has been completely eliminated to the benefit of machines, money and crass consumerism.
Given that state of affair it is logical that our society becomes more and more dehumanized, that our press no longer plays role and that nothing ever stands in the way of power and profit.
To remediate the present situation one must first discover the primary causes of the European Bankruptcy. This is important to give Europe the Moral, the ethics and the aesthetics wich have been so much lacking to this day.
The question is simple to put : we only have to be masters in our land.
Contrary to what imperialist ideology claims we say that the US have their own life wich has nothing in common with that of Europe since our political and cultural heritage represents a fracture in the process of uniformization accomplished so far. Societies do not escape to historical significations or those that emerge by the analysis of reality. Freedom can only be guaranteed by force.
Europe must be in europan hands.

2. THE LIBERATION OF EUROPE : EUROPE BACK TO THE EUROPEANS!
Europe’s liberation implies a global withdrawal of the US. The end of american domination must intervene at the military level (disbandment of NATO) as well as at the economical level (nationalization of european based american companies and financial assets).
The liberation of Europe is the indispensable prelude to any attempt of european unification. There cannot be unification as long as Europe remains under the influence of the US. To be independent Europe must be liberated from the malevolent dominance of its american “ally”.
The unification of Europe will be possible if its revolves around several axis : mystic -The european Nation -, political - The European STATE - indispensable to exert power and force and a state making device : a united political party with a genuine European dimension.

3. THE EUROPEAN NATION
At the end of this century we are witnessing the making of Big International Blocks, there no longer are small independent nations. This fact is the result of the law of “political physics”, it is a question of DIMENSION. It is no longer possible to rely on France, Germany or Italy alone. If we aspire to freedom, we must be strong and to be strong we must build Europe. The EUROPEAN NATION or FUTURE NATION is radically opposed to “nostalgism” of ancient little nations.
Therefore we condemn :
* Left and Right nationalism which divide Europe and are thus consciously or not anti european. Present national borders must cease to exist to allow the supranationality to confort polical independence.
* We reject micro-regional nationalism which are chimerical and noxious to the European cause. If we can understand the motivations of the Basque, Corsican movements we must also understand that the more Europe will be divided the weaker it will be and the weaker it will be the more it will remain under the dominance of “protectors” wether americans or other.
We are however favorable to regionalist movements which are capable of getting integrated within the framework of the European Nation.

4. THE EUROPEAN COMMUNITARIANISM
Our EUROPEAN COMMUNITARIANISM is an aspiration to liberation in stark opposition with bellicose expansionism. It is the will of men who share a common destiny. The framework in which that will can be expressed and achieved is Europe.
* The EUROPEAN COMMUNITARIANISM in itself sumarizes our originality, it is a political project socially global and total. Europeans want freedom for Europe, therefore its economical and political independence and a common justice. In order to reach those goals communitarianism integrates the socialist dimension.
* Our EUROPEAN COMMUNITARIANISM is a PROGRESSISM since far from negating the rich cultural heritage of the various european nations it combines them in a constructive synergy to face the great socio-economical mutations of this ending century.
Such is the project that we must seek to propagate throughout Europe. That project would be vain without the political will to build a European STATE and a European SOCIALISM.

5. THE EUROPEAN STATE AND THE EUROPEAN SOCIALISM
The question is to know if the european peoples want to be free or if they will accept to live in the year 2000 in political and economical slavery.
To master their own destiny, they must conquer their liberty, they must be the founders of a United Europe and a European STATE this implies :
* A European Government, one sole legislative and executive Body. The United Government will be in charge of defence, foreign affairs, finance and large portions of the economy (nationalization will be required) and Justice.
* The State will be organized in provinces and regions (economical criterium will be used to divide the regional competence) which will enjoy a large autonomy in economical managment and cultural affairs.
European Socialism in order to protect economical independence and social justice presupposes the primacy of the policy over the economy.
But, the unification of Europe remains over all a political problem and the Eurocrats of Brussels and Strasbourg have shown to the world the extent of their incompetence in the realization of the political unification of Europe.
The creation of a political power is a prerequisite to any attempt of economical, political and social unification.
The Common Market is the perfect illustration of that idea, exempt of any political substance it is merely a vehicle for the economical penetration of american goods and services in the European continent.
The liberation of Europe from the yoke of capitalism and the power of transnational trusts will be achieved thanks to European socialism but most of all thanks to the creation of A EUROPEAN STATE.

6.MEANS AND ONE ORGANIZATION : A UNITED EUROPEAN PARTY
The creation of a European State, the liberation of the European Nation and the realisation of the EUROPEAN COMMUNITARIANISM imply changes of such magnitude that in our project can be seen as a REVOLUTION EUROPEAN. The sole revolutionary agent capable of achieving these goals is the National-european Communitarian Party.
The National-european Communitarian Party (NCP-PCN), wich is still in the making today, must place itself in a situation where it will be able to lead a continental action against the servants of US imperialism. We must therefore confront the european puppets who have chosen to betray the European Nation to further the interests of the american ruling class.
The National-european Communitarian Party is the AVANT-GARDE of the European liberation struggle and will tomorrow be the crossroad where the builder of the 21st century will meet.

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[M.R.]

Pan-European crap...

No thanks!

[Marulus]

Diagnosis of the current state of affairs is correct, whilst the proposed medicine is not.

[NatVox]

You forgot to play the music that goes with it!
[MEDIA]http://youtube.com/watch?v=PDY0BAe_qGQ[/MEDIA]

[LoKi]

I am not a commie. I'm just a nostalgic nationalist social democrat. But, i tend to agree with Marulus, the diagnosis current state of affairs is correct.

[Lutiferre]

We reject micro-regional nationalism which are chimerical and noxious to the European cause.

To this, my opinion is directly opposed. I think the so-called micro-regional nationalism (or simply identity) is important if any kind of nationalism is to succeed. Perhaps it is what we could call the local nation, something that in many cases can be of as high importance as the unitary nation, all though both have their place - but the European entity the nations are part of also has a place. The mistake is to call Europe a nation, and to assume that the actual nations of Europe are dissolved already, into this greater mass which is simply "European" - something I have seldom heard from non-Americans.

[NatVox]

Originally Posted by LoKi

I am not a commie. I'm just a nostalgic nationalist social democrat. But, i tend to agree with Marulus, the diagnosis current state of affairs is correct.

I know the source where you got that article from. So no, I didn't think that you were a communist. The joke is that I consider pan-europeanism an internationalism in essence.

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

To this, my opinion is directly opposed. I think the so-called micro-regional nationalism (or simply identity) is important if any kind of nationalism is to succeed. Perhaps it is what we could call the local nation, something that in many cases can be of as high importance as the unitary nation, all though both have their place - but the European entity the nations are part of also has a place. The mistake is to call Europe a nation, and to assume that the actual nations of Europe are dissolved already, into this greater mass which is simply "European" - something I have seldom heard from non-Americans.

Your micro-nationalism is no different in my opinion. Yet another means to destroy identity and sovereignty in favour of a European... alright, you don't call it 'nation' but it would be 'state'. Where is the big difference?

Your 'micro-identities' are often part of bigger identities, which are the nations.

[Lutiferre]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Your micro-nationalism is no different in my opinion. Yet another means to destroy identity and sovereignty in favour of a European... alright, you don't call it 'nation' but it would be 'state'. Where is the big difference?

Dont interpret my words too quickly - I said the "so-called micro-regional nationalism (or simply identity)". I dont self-describe as that, but my critique of that terminology is that it is a perverted way of referring to prioritizing what we could describe as the local nation and identity in its differentiating qualities from the larger country-nation, and their relationship is one where the unitary nation typically dominates the local and regional identities. But that which is described thus should be corrected but its importance not neglected, because it is an important part of a healthy identity, and a stimulating part of the national identity.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Your 'micro-identities' are often part of bigger identities, which are the nations.

Thats what I implied with "both have their place". The local nation is largely more of a regional identity. Only in some cases is it dominating over the geopolitically unified country and its national identity - this could be in regions that are in border areas, with changing participation in geopolitical unions and nation-states. In other cases, it could simply be the result of a change in identity, the creation or popularization of what we could call a national mythology.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

.. in favour of a European... alright, you don't call it 'nation' but it would be 'state'. Where is the big difference?

The difference between a European state and a European nation is large, but I dont advocate either idea.

There being a "European nation" is a ridiculous notion, unless the concept of a nation is very scarcely defined as a minimally federated and minimally mutually identified with plurality of peoples. There being exclusively one European nation does not even with work a scarce definition, it is simply an essentially fabrication and untruth.

A European state would not imply the idea of Europe consisting only of one "nation" - but it would oppose against the principle of a non-plural nation-state, which is seen by a lot of nationalists as the ideal for sovereignty. Whether that is the case is a discussion, but it in my opinion depends on the level of confederacy between the nation-state with other nation-states, that are either ideally a related people to a minimal extent, or simply pose a good ally.

[Savorgnan]

The usual Pan-Europeanist non-sense. Pan-Euros always talk about Europe's divisions, but their "cure" goes ten steps further in this direction.
Pan-euro advocates an atomization of Europe in hundreds of micro-regions, with globish as lingua franca. I don't see any "unity" in that.

[Lutiferre]

Originally Posted by Savorgnan

The usual Pan-Europeanist non-sense. Pan-Euros always talk about Europe's divisions, but their "cure" goes ten steps further in this direction.
Pan-euro advocates an atomization of Europe in hundreds of micro-regions, with globish as lingua franca. I don't see any "unity" in that.

Except, thats not the case here - the opposite is true. They believe in one, unified European "nation". I have never heard pan-Europeanists advocate what you are talking about, but the typical pan-Europeanist doesnt really deal with the regions, they reject any division of Europe like these do here:

We reject micro-regional nationalism which are chimerical and noxious to the European cause.

The above discussion was about this.

[Savorgnan]

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

Except, thats not the case here - the opposite is true. They believe in one, unified European "nation". I have never heard pan-Europeanists advocate what you are talking about, but the typical pan-Europeanist doesnt really deal with the regions, they reject any division of Europe like these do here

I should have been more precise. Of course, Pan-Europeanists reject regional identities (I don't), they hate any kind of division or difference anyway, but the "atomized" Europe that I was talking about would be the result of the destruction of the Nation-States. Pan-Euros will never succeed at totally "unifying", that is erasing, regional identities, because european peoples will grip fiercely to them, as their only identity left.

[NatVox]

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

The difference between a European state and a European nation is large, but I dont advocate either idea.

There is no difference if you think about it. When someone speaks of Europe in terms of "nation", he is confusing nation with "state". It is much the same as Americans calling America "a nation". When they are referring to a state.

Originally Posted by Savorgnan

I should have been more precise. Of course, Pan-Europeanists reject regional identities (I don't), they hate any kind of division or difference anyway, but the "atomized" Europe that I was talking about would be the result of the destruction of the Nation-States.

Actually, there are pan-europeanists who base their idea of a Pan-Europa in the micro-nationalities, since the promotion of micro-nationalism erodes the bigger nations and this makes pan-europeanism a necessity.

[Savorgnan]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Actually, there are pan-europeanists who base their idea of a Pan-Europa in the micro-nationalities, since the promotion of micro-nationalism erodes the bigger nations and this makes pan-europeanism a necessity.

Yes, there are. Surely the ones that have a tiny grip on reality.

[Lutiferre]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Actually, there are pan-europeanists who base their idea of a Pan-Europa in the micro-nationalities, since the promotion of micro-nationalism erodes the bigger nations and this makes pan-europeanism a necessity.

What we are referring to as micro-nationalism, by the definition of an exclusively regional/local nationalism, that wishes to dissolve any larger national entity, is infrequently based on a pan-European ideal, but more often based on the construction of ethnic ideal.

I have yet to hear of a real "micro-nationalistic" movement, that diverges significantly from the movements we already know of, that are typically based on regional national mythology and identitarian brainwashing.

In some cases is micro-nationalism authentic. But in such cases, it is clear that there will be reasoning, and the movement will not have grounds in modern constructions.

What I meant was first and foremost though, that the local/regional identity or nation (depending on what terms one is willing to credit) is an important part of identity, and has always been, since the birth of nations. I think it is wrong to call that micro-nationalism, since it is clearly a part of a larger national identity in most cases, and thats what I criticized the pan-Europeanists for.