Danish politician stakes claim to Swedish territory

[Aptrgangr]

Danish politician stakes claim to Swedish territory

A Danish politician has staked a claim to the Swedish provinces of Skåne, Blekinge and Halland. Sören Krarup, a member of the Danish People's Party, argues that the provinces should be returned to Denmark after 350 years of Swedish rule.

Krarup argues, in an interview with Danish news agency Ritzau, that Denmark's current borders are not "natural". He goes on to claim that large numbers of the population of southern Sweden would elect to become Danish citizens.

When questioned as to where Denmark's natural border would reach, Krarup replied:

"It extends as far as there is a Danish majority."

Krarup bases his claim on the "historical maltreatment" of Denmark and claims that "horrible terror" methods have been applied to force residents of southern Sweden to become more Swedish.

Dagens Nyheter reports that Krarup has since toned down his stance and he concedes that although it is regrettable that the Swedish provinces were taken from Denmark in the seventeenth century, it can't be changed now.

Krarup's territorial ambitions are mainly focused on the Swedish county of Skåne but also extend in another direction from Denmark, to Germany and South Schleswig.

A referendum was held in 1920 which resulted in the division of Schleswig and gave the south to Germany and the north to Denmark. Krarup questions the legitimacy of the referendum as only those born in the province were eligible to vote. According to Krarup this led to Germans traveling in from all over the country to vote.

Krarup is reportedly unwilling to apply the same reasoning to Kosovo and rejects comparisons with the Albanian majority's claims of independence from Serbia with the historically Danish territory of Schleswig. Albanian domination in Kosovo is due only to immigration and high birth rates he points out.

Halland became part of Sweden in 1645 following peace at Brömsebro; Skåne and Blekinge were under Danish control until 1658. The provinces had been part of Denmark for over 600 years and many residents refused to accept their new Swedish rulers. Guerillas known as Snapphanarna, who had fought on the Danish side in the war, continued to fight against their Swedish conquerors.

The Danish People's Party (Danish: Dansk Folkeparti) is a social conservative, nationalist political party in Denmark. In the 2007 parliamentary election, it took 25 seats in the 179-member Folketinget, with 13.8% of the vote. It is the third largest party in Denmark.

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Denmark surely has no other urgent problems these times, I guess..

[NatVox]

I would have thought that there was a feeling of mutual belonging among all Scandinavian nations, but that's apparently not the case with the Danes at the Danish People's Party:

"If they want to turn Stockholm, Gothenburg or Malmö into a Scandinavian Beirut, with clan wars, honour killings and gang rapes, let them do it. We can always put a barrier on the Øresund Bridge."

--Pia Kjaersgaard, leader of Dansk Folkeparti--

[wilpuri]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I would have thought that there was a feeling of mutual belonging among all Scandinavian nations, but that's apparently not the case with the Danes at the Danish People's Party:

"If they want to turn Stockholm, Gothenburg or Malmö into a Scandinavian Beirut, with clan wars, honour killings and gang rapes, let them do it. We can always put a barrier on the Øresund Bridge."

--Pia Kjaersgaard, leader of Dansk Folkeparti--

What do you mean by a feeling of mutual belonging?

[NatVox]

Originally Posted by wilpuri

What do you mean by a feeling of mutual belonging?

Clearly a common roots and culture of the countries generally known as Scandinavian countries (Norway, Sweden and Denmark) as well as the related island countries or autonomous regions (Iceland, Åland and Faroe Islands).

[Sifjar]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Clearly a common roots and culture of the countries generally known as Scandinavian countries (Norway, Sweden and Denmark) as well as the related island countries or autonomous regions (Iceland, Åland and Faroe Islands).

Danish has romans inheritance but I doubt other has, ''belonging'' related to ''Diaspora identity'' such theories decribes colonialism and post-colonial , so in this case I think you can't use the terms '' belonging ''. Because Nordic does not have Diaspora identity as the Jews or the Palestinian, or even Spanish

[Berrocscir]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I would have thought that there was a feeling of mutual belonging among all Scandinavian nations, but that's apparently not the case with the Danes at the Danish People's Party:

"If they want to turn Stockholm, Gothenburg or Malmö into a Scandinavian Beirut, with clan wars, honour killings and gang rapes, let them do it. We can always put a barrier on the Øresund Bridge."

--Pia Kjaersgaard, leader of Dansk Folkeparti--

Are not Kjaersgaard's words a reference to immigration to Sweden? Surely you can have a kinship with neighbouring, similar nations and cultures and still be able to crticise the government of a neighbouring nation?

[Lutiferre]

All though I dont have anything against Germans or Scandinavians, I agree that Denmark should have its rightful territories back. Most of Southern Sweden and all of Jutland (and therefore Northern Germany) is a part of Denmark, and a majority of the citizens in these areas would agree. It could be argued Norway is Danish territory too, but that would be a bit too far fetched.

[svin]

Clearly a common roots and culture of the countries generally known as Scandinavian countries (Norway, Sweden and Denmark) as well as the related island countries or autonomous regions (Iceland, Åland and Faroe Islands).

Finland included, in my opinion. I remember Swedish posters from WWII era, that promote sending donations to help Finnish children. Something along these lines.

[Aptrgangr]

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

All though I dont have anything against Germans or Scandinavians,

So you are no self-hater, that's good.

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

I agree that Denmark should have its rightful territories back.

I do not think this makes sense. Times have changed.

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

Most of Southern Sweden and all of Jutland (and therefore Northern Germany) is a part of Denmark, and a majority of the citizens in these areas would agree. It could be argued Norway is Danish territory too, but that would be a bit too far fetched.

Northern Germany i.e. Schleswig-Holstein is not part of Denmark, for centuries peasants and nobles fought against Danish claims, (ever heard of the battles of Bornhöved and Hemmingstedt?) and I do not know why you believe they would join Denmark now. The Danish minority in Schleswig has minority rights, and since there is also a Frisian minority, e.g. traffic signs are held in 3 languages. The German minority in Danish Slesvig als enjoys minority rigths, I do not see a reason to shift borders.
Neither do I believe many inhabitants of Scania and Blekinge want to join Denmark.

[Lutiferre]

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

So you are no self-hater, that's good.

What I meant to say, was other Scandinavians. I am certainly not German, though.

You may not believe so, but I believe so. All of Jutland belongs to Denmark (or at least to Jutland), and Southern Sweden also - because it is Danish land and most of the people there are descendants of Danes. Times may change, but a few things havent changed.

[NatVox]

Originally Posted by Sifjar

Danish has romans inheritance but I doubt other has

I'm not sure what you mean by "romans inheritance". That they assimilated Romanitas, thus Europe?

Because if you are thinking of some "Roman" genetic component (whatever "Roman" may mean to you here), I don't see how one or two trading outposts could justify such a bizarre claim.

''belonging'' related to ''Diaspora identity'' such theories decribes colonialism and post-colonial , so in this case I think you can't use the terms '' belonging ''.

"Belonging" means just what it reads: "to belong to". A "sense of belonging" means that there is some common identity to which one feels related. Nothing to do with any "diaspora" or "colonialism".

Main Entry: be·long·ing
Pronunciation: \-ˈlo˙ŋ-iŋ\
Function:
noun
Date:
1782

1 : possession —usually used in plural
2 : close or intimate relationship <a sense of belonging>

— be·long·ing·ness noun

Definition of belonging - Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

You don't make sense. As usual.

Because Nordic does not have Diaspora identity as the Jews or the Palestinian, or even Spanish

For your information, there is a large Swedish diaspora which in terms of percentage of population it is larger than many others. I'm surprised that you ignore the recent history of your country.

You could start by searching a little information on the internet. Here is some help: "swedish diaspora" - Google Search

And for your information too, there is no such thing as a Spanish diaspora. In the context of the territories of Imperial Spain (not "Colonial", which is a different concept to that of "Imperial") you don't find the settlement pattern that you find in Oceania or in North America where, by the way, Nordic populations were used as part of the colonial settlement policies there.

But in case you wanted to argue that that was not Scandinavia's business, one early colonialist policy of settlements before that period was made effective by Scandinavians in Greenland.

[NatVox]

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

I do not think this makes sense. Times have changed.

Irredentism is an inevitable tendency of Nationalism.

[Sifjar]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I'm not sure what you mean by "romans inheritance". That they assimilated Romanitas, thus Europe?

Because if you are thinking of some "Roman" genetic component (whatever "Roman" may mean to you here), I don't see how one or two trading outposts could justify such a bizarre claim.

"Belonging" means just what it reads: "to belong to". A "sense of belonging" means that there is some common identity to which one feels related. Nothing to do with any "diaspora" or "colonialism".

You don't make sense. As usual.

For your information, there is a large Swedish diaspora which in terms of percentage of population it is larger than many others. I'm surprised that you ignore the recent history of your country.

You could start by searching a little information on the internet. Here is some help: "swedish diaspora" - Google Search

And for your information too, there is no such thing as a Spanish diaspora. In the context of the territories of Imperial Spain (not "Colonial", which is a different concept to that of "Imperial") you don't find the settlement pattern that you find in Oceania or in North America where, by the way, Nordic populations were used as part of the colonial settlement policies there.

But in case you wanted to argue that that was not Scandinavia's business, one early colonialist policy of settlements before that period was made effective by Scandinavians in Greenland.

Myndd you have to know something definition in the dictionary is not the same as scentific explanation. Example national identity you can find several thousand of hits on the google, but what does national identity means in the theoretical fame work in the academic field ?
Do some research on it, Not just not your favorite google. And again your'e wrong '' Belonging''in the theorical framework in the academic field say '' You're longing to be home ''to your country'' or home'' of orign, this is when I refers to the Jews, I called it Diaspora because they didn't have a home, and the word Diaspora originated from Jews, but then theses days everything is disapore, I'm not ignorant about my history perhaps you, There is no Swedish Diaspora' because Sweden is our home never been colonized Swedish are not immigrants in their own country , we don't need to belong to our orgin, its just a manipulation of language. And I refers to Spanish cos they're Spanish even in Latin America spreading their roots which is used as a diasporic terms. Please stop using your google definition. Yes diaspora is addrssed in the theorical framework of post-colonial, belonging returning home. You won't able to find all these in just google, I will send you some links so you understand relationship.

[Aptrgangr]

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

What I meant to say, was other Scandinavians. I am certainly not German, though.

I was thinking so, but you said Scandianvian.

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

You may not believe so, but I believe so. All of Jutland belongs to Denmark (or at least to Jutland),

What makes you think it is like that? The people again and arain rose up against the Danes because they loved the idea of being integrated into the Danish kingdom?

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

and Southern Sweden also - because it is Danish land and most of the people there are descendants of Danes. Times may change, but a few things havent changed.

Southern Sweden belongs to Sweden, I could not verify a legal Danish claim, Denmark conquered Scania during the 14th century, later Sweden took it back. Whilst the inhabitants of Scania undoubedly have ties to Denmark, this is not the case in German Schleswig, except for a small community.