Putin Accuses Europe of Ignoring Nazism in the Baltics

[Loorberitega Pärjatu]

I just listened to a radio broadcast from an Estonian channel. There was an interview with some teenage Russian speaking girls from Tallinn. The interviewer asked what was their biggest problem here, and the answer was that Estonians are cold and slow and don't speak Russian with them...

(It reminds me that Kimi Räikkönen is also accused to be too cold and that he speaks too little )

So, we have to change our temperament to PLEASE the colonists? You can't make us behave like some mediterranian type. We must have at least 1 m distance between people and we say about two words in an hour, but that's our way, it doesn't mean our hearts are cold.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Hweinlant

We have Russians, you have Moroccans.

How many Russians are there in Finland?

Originally Posted by Loorberitega Pärjatu

I just listened to a radio broadcast from an Estonian channel. There was an interview with some teenage Russian speaking girls from Tallinn. The interviewer asked what was their biggest problem here, and the answer was that Estonians are cold and slow and don't speak Russian with them...

And your are so concerned with what some teenage girls say in a radio interview?

Originally Posted by Loorberitega Pärjatu

So, we have to change our temperament to PLEASE the colonists? You can't make us behave like some mediterranian type. We must have at least 1 m distance between people and we say about two words in an hour, but that's our way, it doesn't mean our hearts are cold.

Who said that you have to change your temperament to please the colonists? It is you who just said that. And even if that girl implied that in that interview, why do you take it so seriously? Why can't you just say: "I don't give a damn for what that interviewed person says."

As if you were mixing up serious and relevant with unserious and irrelevant matters.

[Loorberitega Pärjatu]

About 50 000 Russians in Finland maybe. But if we think about occupied territories...

I take it seriously because it is common opinion that WE have to learn THEIR language and give them more rights than we have ourselves not vice versa.

I guess Estonia was the very corner in SU where Russian language "enjoyed" the lowest prestige among the "aboriginals" . Maybe Lithuania too, but they have always had less of those Soviet immigrants. Last year in Vilnius neither English nor Russian worked in some places .

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Hweinlant

Russians being Europeans is your way. I have nothing against that.

I will quote myself on another thread:

Originally Posted by Mynydd

The geopolitical and cultural space that we know as Europe started to be defined with the Graeco-Roman World. It is through the assimilation of different ethnic peoples of the Romanitas (later Christianitas) that Europe evolves until our times.

To the West, people acquired it through direct contact with Rome or through indirect spread of Romanitas. To the East, this contact comes with Byzantium. As in the case of Russia. And in fact, Russian culture is unmistakably European.

Certainly, it is not Western European. But neither is western the Finno-Ugro-Baltic culture.

But if you want a more restrictive definition of what/who is European, by sticking to the reality of culture and history, you would be out of that definition without a hint of doubt.

Have as many Russkies as you want. To be honest I would like you to have many. For some reasons I would not.

They sure deserve you just as much you deserve them. Have a good time. I dont like arabs either, keep them too. You allready have expereicence. With Russkies you will sing christmassong too.

Better than arabs anyway ?

Or better than Baltics?

In some provinces south of here they are having a serious problem with very violent and criminal gangs of Baltic peoples, who people sometimes call "Russians" out of ignorance.

But anyway, let me point to the hipocrisy that's being played here, not only by you but by other Fino-Ugrians too.

It's being suggested that by sympathising with the Russians in a fashion of European friendship, one is letting Finns and Estonians out to their fate, in the hands of some alleged evil Russians. As if anyone owed you any allegiance. Not a chance. Especially not to you if we consider that the Finnish crowd has been most pro-active in the Nordicist and Northern isolationist fashions. Starting with their role as one of the largest groups in the now extinct The Nordish Portal, and ending with the role of founding and ownership of NordFolk.

Your credit is below limits.

[Hweinlant]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I will quote myself on another thread:But if you want a more restrictive definition of what/who is European, by sticking to the reality of culture and history, you would be out of that definition without a hint of doubt.

Or better than Baltics?

In some provinces south of here they are having a serious problem with very violent and criminal gangs of Baltic peoples, who people sometimes call "Russians" out of ignorance.

But anyway, let me point to the hipocrisy that's being played here, not only by you but by other Fino-Ugrians too.

It's being suggested that by sympathising with the Russians in a fashion of European friendship, one is letting Finns and Estonians out to their fate, in the hands of some alleged evil Russians. As if anyone owed you any allegiance. Not a chance. Especially not to you if we consider that the Finnish crowd has been most pro-active in the Nordicist and Northern isolationist fashions. Starting with their role as one of the largest groups in the now extinct The Nordish Portal, and ending with the role of founding and ownership of NordFolk.

Your credit is below limits.

Your pov of being European is yours. I have no objections against that. May be we are not "european" enough for you. Nothing new for me really. We are strange non-IE people anyway.

Considering me nordicist in something I will not tolerate, since I'm not one.

I'm big fan of Spanish culture for example. I love Jamon Serrano and have only positive vibes towards Iberians (regardless of you).

Baltic criminal gangs are non-existanct, they do not exist. They are all Russkies. Get it. Latvija is 45% Russkie occupied.

How many Finnish or Swedish criminal gangs you have there ? 0 I guess.

Russians in Finland are generally pretty good bunch. They are very different than Russkie scum in Estonia. There is difference between occupation and immigration.

Russia is big and has lot of different people. Significant minority is good people, majority is chauvinist assholes. Visit Estonia and you will learn. Visiting Finland is different thing, they need to speak our "non-european" language to cope with.. No Russkie master here, when in Rome...

You have romantic idea of Russkie... They have inherited Mongol (Golden Horda) way of rule, they have nothing to do with Europeans. Genetic similarity has nothing to do with mental similarity. Russia/SU has it's roots in Mongol Rule.

Bashing me about Eurasian pov is noll. Average Russkie thinks with Russkie pov, where Eurasianism is the core. They want to be superpower and all of us being Slaves. Thats how they think. Yankees are yankees and russkies are russkie. They consider themselves as master race. You want to be slave ? Your choice.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Hweinlant

Your pov of being European is yours. I have no objections against that.

I take it that "pov" is and abbreviation for point of view?

May be we are not "european" enough for you.

I never said such a thing. "European" is not a one big homogenous identity. There is a wide variety.

Nothing new for me really. We are strange non-IE people anyway.

I'm not one either.

Considering me nordicist in something I will not tolerate, since I'm not one.

I referred to the general crowd, not you in particular.

I'm big fan of Spanish culture for example. I love Jamon Serrano and have only positive vibes towards Iberians (regardless of you).

Well, we've had different experiences. If you are having "negative vibes" towards me because I don't accept that you impose your bias on me, there is little that I can do about it since I'm not going to accept it just for the sake of changing the polarity of your vibes.

Baltic criminal gangs are non-existanct, they do not exist. They are all Russkies. Get it. Latvija is 45% Russkie occupied.

Often it is the opposite that there is mentioning of Russians, when they are actually not. But believe me that these are Baltics.

How many Finnish or Swedish criminal gangs you have there ? 0 I guess.

Even if I found some, why should I then conclude that Finland is a country of criminals?

Russians in Finland are generally pretty good bunch. They are very different than Russkie scum in Estonia. There is difference between occupation and immigration.

Immigration, the way it is happening, is occupation.

Russia is big and has lot of different people. Significant minority is good people, majority is chauvinist assholes.

I hear different from people who know the country.

Visit Estonia and you will learn. Visiting Finland is different thing, they need to speak our "non-european" language to cope with.. No Russkie master here, when in Rome...

I hope that you don't think that I agree with the presence of Russians in Finland. Or with any gratuitous hostility of Russia against Finland.

You have romantic idea of Russkie... They have inherited Mongol (Golden Horda) way of rule, they have nothing to do with Europeans. Genetic similarity has nothing to do with mental similarity. Russia/SU has it's roots in Mongol Rule.

Well, that's nonesense. None of the Russians that I've ever met gave me that impression, at all. A different people to us? Of course. But so are Germans, Greeks, or Finns.

Bashing me about Eurasian pov is noll. Average Russkie thinks with Russkie pov, where Eurasianism is the core. They want to be superpower and all of us being Slaves. Thats how they think. Yankees are yankees and russkies are russkie.

Honestly, you are not making much sense here.

They consider themselves as master race. You want to be slave ? Your choice.

Of course not. But let me think.. I don't remember that the Russians have ever attempted to invade us. Or other Slavic people for that matter. I do, however, remember from history that we've had hordes of Germanics over our heads. In fact there was a whole world of which we were a part, that was destroyed back then. They say that history repeats itself, and now it is happening again..

But never mind about that now. More than 1,600 years have passed since those Christmas, and today we are the people of a new, different Europe that resulted from those events. So we must live in the present, if we want to have a future. And all I see is things being done the wrong way, everywhere I look.

In this new Europe, Russians are Europeans by their own right. Just like Finns or Germans are. I don't see Russians pretending to be superior to us. But I do see others who live much closer to us and who do pretend that much. In the end, if a wide and overall cooperation is not possible, one is free to choose allegiances or sympathies.

By the way, wasn't the Teutonic Knights who invaded the Baltics and subjugated the people?

[Loorberitega Pärjatu]

I know there is some disgusting criminal action in Marbella and I personally want to appologize for this shit. But we have also had any kind of "businessmen" here. But, yes, the jails in here are inhabited by Russian speaking contingent. And don't dare to say that it's violation of human rights!

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Loorberitega Pärjatu

I know there is some disgusting criminal action in Marbella and I personally want to appologize for this shit.

Well, it runs approximately from Murcia down to Almeria and then apparently with branches in Malaga (Marbella).

But *you* don't have to apologize for it. I wouldn't hold you accountable for it nor would I think that that's characteristical of Baltic people in general. Criminals are, first of all, criminals regardless of any other considerations. At least for individuals of European societies where, in one way or another, or under one regime or another, we've been taught ourselves different through generations: noblesse oblige.

I would never dare to appeal to any such so-called human rights for imprisoned criminals. Be them Russian or else. In fact I would press for the removal of any rights whichsoever, and a hardening of their conditions in prison. Here, again, I adhere to the principle that noblesse oblige, and that the more that you received the more that you should give. Which, by the way, it applies also to immigrants since the balance is highly negative. And I'm not referring only to criminals now.

To me, being a Nationalist does not include granting any privileges to the scum of my society. That is much opposed to Nationalism. I leave that to Jingoist gangs like the British National Party their American white supremacist counterparts.

It is much on the opposite, caring for the better and rejecting the worse of my own people. And always looking forward to improvement. So when I look into European cooperation, or Europeanism, I apply the same principles.

[Exeter]

Originally Posted by Loorberitega Pärjatu

So, we have to change our temperament to PLEASE the colonists?

It means you're shy and introverted. I don't think Estonians should change to please anyone. Nowadays Estonians and a few other "New Europeans" (a term used to divide and conquer) in eastern countries try to please the Neo-Cons in the USA without actually knowing what is going on. That should stop. It's a danger to Europe.

I wouldn't call them colonists. Russians are a discriminated ethnic minority in Estonia and Latvia. The Lithuanian policy towards ethnic Russians has worked much better.

You can't make us behave like some mediterranian type.

I would hardly call Russians Mediterranean.

Perhaps it's the East-Baltid character which make Estonians quiet and widthdrawn.

We must have at least 1 m distance between people and we say about two words in an hour, but that's our way, it doesn't mean our hearts are cold.

I know. You need Koskenkorva before you open your mouth. I kind of feel sorry for you.

"In Europe, the suicide rate for Finno-Ugric peoples is twice the European average"
Medscape: Free CME, Medical News, Full-text Journal Articles & More (direct link doesn't come out here)

[Routasydän]

Originally Posted by Exeter

I know. You need Koskenkorva before you open your mouth. I kind of feel sorry for you.

A myth in my opinion. I wouldn't say Finns or Estonians are any more introverted on average than Swedes, for example. Sure, compared to the more flamboyant southern characteristics, we are shy and reserved, but I like it that way. I feel very uncomfortable when people I don't know come up to my face, talk loud and gesticulate wildly, making physical contact.

The east-baltid comment was also surprising, because the stoic, silent type is more associated with Western Finns, who are less east-baltid and have been more influenced by Swedish sources, while Eastern Finns, like Karelians and Savonians, are more talkative and extraverted.

"In Europe, the suicide rate for Finno-Ugric peoples is twice the European average"
Medscape: Free CME, Medical News, Full-text Journal Articles & More (direct link doesn't come out here)

I think we are steering rather off-topic, to be honest.

[Exeter]

Originally Posted by wilpuri

I feel very uncomfortable when people I don't know come up to my face, talk loud and gesticulate wildly, making physical contact.

I think many North Europeans feel the same way.

The east-baltid comment was also surprising, because the stoic, silent type is more associated with Western Finns, who are less east-baltid and have been more influenced by Swedish sources, while Eastern Finns, like Karelians and Savonians, are more talkative and extraverted.

I don't really think it has to do with East-Baltid. I think a lot is nurture. Don't Karelians have more influence from Russians?

I think we are steering rather off-topic, to be honest.

We did steer off-topic earlier in the thread. Finns and Estonians turn threads about Russians into something about them.

[Routasydän]

Originally Posted by Exeter

I don't really think it has to do with East-Baltid. I think a lot is nurture. Don't Karelians have more influence from Russians?

Well the geographic realities means that they've always been influenced more from the east than other parts of Finland, yes.

We did steer off-topic earlier in the thread. Finns and Estonians turn threads about Russians into something about them.

Well this thread was about the leader of the Russian Federation blaming the peoples of the Baltic countries for Nazism. So I guess Estonians, and Finns who by and large sympathize with them, perceive that this topic does indeed touch upon the mutual relations with Russians and themselves.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by wilpuri

Sure, compared to the more flamboyant southern characteristics, we are shy and reserved, but I like it that way. I feel very uncomfortable when people I don't know come up to my face, talk loud and gesticulate wildly, making physical contact.

That, if applied to all Southern Europeans, is much of a generalisation. Even with Italians, many gesticulate moderately.

I used to have much fun with Italians when I realized that the more you got on their nerves, the more that they gesticulated. So I enjoyed provoking them to the point that they looked like windmills.

Admittedly, after a time among them I even got to the point of gesticulating when speaking. But here, I would probably do it only unadvertedly if speaking with a foreigner, as if I tried to make him understand with signs what I assume that he would not understand with just words. Sort of what you would do to communicate with a native if you were in Africa.

It is a funny world, when you deal with foreigners. Once, one of my brothers was speaking to a Brit, in English, and he would do it slowly, stopping at each word and syllable. Later, the Brit told me that it was funny, because he sounded retarded speaking in that slow motion. I told him that it was actually because my brother thought that he was not very bright, that he spoke to him in a slow motion like you would do with a retard.


p.s. by the way, the silent and cold looking attitude is not only characteristical of Northern Europeans. Ever been to Africa?

[Heavenly Divine]

Originally Posted by Exeter