How do you see your Nation, ideally ?

[Theobald]

I wanted to post this thread after Crvena zvezda's thread, "Future maps of Europe". Rather than imagining what would be Europe in 10 or 20 years if nothing happens and what would be the borders and political entities in a Muslim Europe, let's think about an optimistic future.

How do you see your Nation's (and Europe's, generally speaking) borders, ideally ?

I am especially interested in Serbs', Croats', Russians' and Mynydd's replies.
Also, please don't turn this thread into a new intra-European flamewar.

[svin]

Free, non-totalitarian, national democracy, Orthodox religion as official, highly trained professional army. Strict restrictions on muslim faith (prohibition of building mosques on Russian land).
North Caucasus republics (together with all Caucasians) separated. Strict border regime with all non-European ex-USSR neighbours and other asian countries like China, more cultural authonomy to Karelians and other F-U peoples, all ethnic Russians who want to come back to Russia (from Ukraine or Baltics states or from anywhere else) get all possible support from state. Only ethnic Russians can be elected in government.

Tatarstan and Bashkiria could gain independance too, if all Tatars move there, then we move all Russians to Russia.

[Theobald]

Interesting. I have heard many (if not all) Russian nationalists claiming Ukraine (at least Eastern Ukraine), Bielorussia, Baltic republics and Northern Kazakhstan as inhabited by ethnic Russians and therefore to be integrated into a greater Russia. That's not your opinion, it seems ?

[svin]

That's not your opinion, it seems ?

No, but in the case of Crimea it would be fair to return it back to Russia. Why need greater Russia? It's already great =) And there is plenty of space.

Also, I forgot to say, all forms of communist ideology (including communist parties) should be banned forever.

[Errigal]

I would like to see a united Ireland with the North joining the Republic but I would not want it to happen unless it was something genuinely wanted by the people of Ireland. In other words no bullying, no threats, no secret selling out of the hardliners of any side, no shotgun marriage, no demand that anyone in Ireland abandon their Catholic or Protestant traditions to embrace a secular mushy non-nationalism. I think it is possible but it won't be easy.

[Vasconcelos]

I firmly support a reunion with the rest of Spain. Obviously, as Portuguese we maintain our own intra-national cultural identity, but I believe we should be under the same banner as the Spaniards.

It is not a popular opinion, and I'm certain I'll rub some people the wrong way by making this post, but that is what I believe.

[Theobald]

Here is my view :

What is your opinion on the independence of Andorra?

[Marulus]

Having a strong nationalist government, with the present-day political class being thrown away into the dustbin of history, where it belongs anyway.

In economy: as much autarky (self-sufficience) possible.

No membership in EU or NATO (I hope these organizations will be dismanted in any case), just cooperation with other European countries in questions of security (that cooperation shouldn't however infringe on national sovereignity).

Liberal democracy abolished, with possibly a direct democracy (without the mediation of political parties) established, maybe also with a strong and authoritarian head of the state, who would be a dedicated nationalist. Not everyone could be a deputy in parliament or have any public function.

Traditional Catholic morality predominating in the whole society.

No pandering to national minorities, only Croatians could hold positions of power. The minorities could possibly retain only cultural associations.

[Dux]

Originally Posted by Vasconcelos

I firmly support a reunion with the rest of Spain. Obviously, as Portuguese we maintain our own intra-national cultural identity, but I believe we should be under the same banner as the Spaniards.

It is not a popular opinion, and I'm certain I'll rub some people the wrong way by making this post, but that is what I believe.

Fondly disagree, and fortunately almost everyone

[Crvena zvezda]

For Serbia I see the state is being an illiberal (non-western) democracy. In other words highly centralized, strong central government and having an official state religion. Serbia should try to adopt a system of direct democracy and the only level of government that should have parliamentary representation should be the top level, all lower levels should be run by direct democracy.

I believe the province of Vojvodina should be abolished, and Kosovo (this is unlikely given the number of Albanians). The okrugs in Serbia should be redrawn.

I'd prefer Serbia be largely theocratic and that the Orthodox church have the power to grant or refuse the right to other religions to build any religous building.

I'd also want Serbia to get rid off Albanians and to try increaing the population -- banning abortion, other such methods and trying to get members of the diaspora to come back (specifically those in south america because I don't see those in australia, u.s., canada or western europe coming back evne if we become an economic tiger).

Some cultural autonomy to European groups, anti-gypsy legislation.

I also se Serbia as being an economic tiger that should take steps to prevent moral collapse. I'd like to see as much autarky also.

In economy: as much autarky (self-sufficience) possible.

No to EU, NATO and UN. No membership in any of these organizations.

Traditional Catholic morality predominating in the whole society.

No pandering to national minorities, only Croatians could hold positions of power. The minorities could possibly retain only cultural associations.

I'd also like to see Serbia include Republika Srpska and Montenegro. If this happens I see the state being a state consisting of three member states -- Montenegro, Serbia and Srpska. I'd keep Serbias bnorder the same, I'd give all of Herzegovina to Montenegro and Srpska would get other territories in Bosnia inhabited by Serbs.

I'd also like to see Serboa have good relations with all countries particularly those in Europe as well as with rising powers like China, India and Japan. I'd like to see Serbia rejoin the non-alligned movement, so long as NATO exists.

I'd also like that Serbia have good relations with Russia. In other words Serbia should be more open to Russian investments. If Serbia and Montenegro ever again become a unified country I believe the state should then allow Russia to build a naval base in Montenegro if possible.

[Ferran]

As an Hispanist I consider the whole Iberian peninsula as a common cultural and ethnic reality. Sadly divided in several occasions because different factors as well as parties implied (firstly a Mohamedian invasion and most recently the nefast policy of the Count-Duke of Olivares). But what are political delimitations after all? The unity of the Iberian peoples is much deeper than that, and indeed, History teach us that these frontiers (even during the times in which there were more) did not prevent our ancestors to feel one and the same. Not strangely, there are enough kings, writers and politicians of every of the old Hispanic kingdoms who confirm what I'm saying.

It means that my Nation (which not necessarily might coincide with the one of other fellows) accompases the modern States of Spain, Portugal, Andorra and Gibraltar, plus the little territories of Nafarroa Beherea and Roselló (inaccurately named "Northern Catalonia"), both currently under the administration of France. Also, for fairness' sake, I would have no problems to rennounce to the Val d'Aran, which could be given independence and let the right to decide whether they want to join current France or await for a different political situation more favourable to Occitan interests.


The map may look something like that (plus Andorra and minus the Val d'Aran):

[Marulus]

Originally Posted by Ferran

The map may look something like that (plus Andorra and minus the Val d'Aran)

Judging from the map you displayed, does it mean that you are in favour of federalization of Spain(s) and that you would like old political entities and kingdoms to be reestablished, including the Kingdom of Granada (but this time Christian and not Muslim)?

And what about linguistic diversities? Should they remain?

[Sergius]

As for Denmark, I would want to see a general change in attitude among Danes, hopefully people will see what Capitalism is doing to our world. The Welfare State model will be hard to maintain because of the low birthrates and the great generations now reaching old age, but a social state with a Keynesian-inspired economy is still possible. I do not particularly care for Democracy, but I do not see any real alternative for Denmark. The Church has very little power, and Danish Protestantism has no interest or potential for a Theocratic state.
Regarding international relations, naturally I oppose membership of the EU and NATO in their current forms, but collaboration with other European states, most notably the other states of Norden and Balticum, should be in everyone's best interest.
But even if there was a serious movement in Denmark that supported such changes, I would have left for a different part of Europe by then.
Of course, I oppose any political party that would not want people like me to get the hell out.

[Khozinsky]

Free, independent, non-totalitarian Confederation of Russian states/republics - "Rus'"; national democracy, each state has its own parliament (veche), each state governed by heathen nationalists. All non-Russian states and provinces (Caucasian states, Tatarstan, Bashkiria ets.) separated. All F-U provinces have wide autonomy.

Confederation is demilitarized (nevertheless with preservation of the weapon of mass defeat); state governments and the government of Confederation support in all possible ways development of technologies (especially in energetics).

All non-Europeans (including Jews) deported to their homelands. All Russians from former USSR republics who want to come back to motherland get support from Confederation government. Strict border regime with all asiatic "neighbors", anti-islamic (anti-asiatic in wider sense) and anti-Semitic state policy. Nationalist and racist education in kindergartens/schools/universities. Active and effective demographic programs, supported by each state and by the Confederation government.

Heathenism IS NOT the state religion, but only heathenists (well, not only heathenists, atheists too) may be elected to parliaments or elected as officials. Anti-orthodox education in schools/colleges/universities. Orthodox Christianity preserved, but became the religion of the lower classes of society.

Maximal liberalization of economics, state support for business activity. Russian Confederation is opened for European investments.

Political, economical and military union with other nationalist states of future Europe, in spite of their political regime (for example, fascism, nazism, nationalism, national democracy etc.) and state religion. The main allies of Russian Confederation are: independent nationalist Ukraine, independent nationalist Belarus, Poland, Germany and all the states of the North (Sweden, Norway, Finland) and Baltic region.

The modern so called "Russian" Federation - this asiatic, anti-Russian and anti-European empire - will be transformed into Russian Confederation in 2009-2015.

[Ariets]

eh... just a dreams...

My idea of my nation & country:
1. Poland without non-polish goverment.
2. Poland with borders from 1921 + 1946 + "European Russia" with "Krolewiec".
3. FREEDOM! (1).
4. National democracy (?).
5. ??

My idea of Europe:
1. Europe of free nations.
2. Smash European Union.
3. Try to create some kind of union of free nationalist countries supported themself (I hope especially for Spain, France, Greece, Italy, Czech, Slovakia, Belarus, Sweden, Croatia, Slovenia etc), but without any syptoms similar to EU
4. ??

Others:
(1) And map

[Khozinsky]

Originally Posted by nordskelt

(1) And map

Heh, Russia will be much smaller... I hope.