No mention of Romanian?

**marius** · #1 (**permalink**) Monday, December 27th, 2004

Hello all. Happy New Year!

No mention of Romanian or Romanians on this forum?
Well, ok...

***Prussian*** · #2 (**permalink**) Monday, December 27th, 2004

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Originally Posted by Marius

Hello all. Happy New Year!

No mention of Romanian or Romanians on this forum?
Well, ok...

......there is now.

However it is nice to see a familiar face & a Happy new year to you too, no I have not heard any mention of any romanians on here but take into consideration that in time some will surely arrive as it is only early days yet.

**marius** · #3 (**permalink**) Monday, December 27th, 2004

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......there is now.

However it is nice to see a familiar face & a Happy new year to you too, no I have heard any mention of any romanians but take into consideration that in time some will surely arrive as it is only early days yet.

Hi.

Has the earthquake of the Indian Ocean made his effects resent in NW Australia, too? Just don't mind on me speaking about this, but, as I see it from the TVs, it is quite shocking and it seems all the Indian Ocean felt it.

***Prussian*** · #4 (**permalink**) Monday, December 27th, 2004

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Hi.

Has the earthquake of the Indian Ocean made his effects resent in NW Australia, too? Just don't mind on me speaking about this, but, as I see it from the TVs, it is quite shocking and it seems all the Indian Ocean felt it.

I have not heard of effects hitting the North West of the country though I do suspect it happened but luckily it is sparsely populated very remote up there, but here is an article relating to the South-Eastern Isle of Tasmania as a result of the massive quake.

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http://au.news.yahoo.com/041227/2/scdo.html

Faísca · #5 (**permalink**) Monday, December 27th, 2004

I'm not going to add a forum just for romanian, if it was within some group other than Eastern Romance that would be ok. The Eastern Romance group has four languages, most of them, extict or nearly extict. Not sure if you are getting what I am trying to say...

**marius** · #6 (**permalink**) Tuesday, December 28th, 2004

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Originally Posted by Johannes

I'm not going to add a forum just for romanian, if it was within some group other than Eastern Romance that would be ok. The Eastern Romance group has four languages, most of them, extict or nearly extict. Not sure if you are getting what I am trying to say...

Well, till January the 14th, I am away, so I will not have too much time to get connected. It was just a question, since languages which are not any more used nowadays were written and Romanian, which is still used was not. But of course, one may argue about the vocabulary in Romanian being more Slavic than Latin, but the grammar is mostly Latin. And anyway, who does speak nowadays a purely Latin language or a purely Germanic one or a purely Slavic one? There are a lot of influences.

Nerthus · #7 (**permalink**) Tuesday, December 28th, 2004

Yes, Romanian is a language belonging to the Eastern group along with Moldovan, Istro-Romanian, Macedo-Romanian, Megleno-Romanian etc., languages that are rarely spoken. Even if we had a section for this group, hardly anyone - if anyone else at all - would post there.

**marius** · #8 (**permalink**) Tuesday, December 28th, 2004

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Originally Posted by Aeternitas

Yes, Romanian is a language belonging to the Eastern group along with Moldovan, Istro-Romanian, Macedo-Romanian, Megleno-Romanian etc., languages that are rarely spoken. Even if we had a section for this group, hardly anyone - if anyone else at all - would post there.

Yes. That is why I proposed a section for Romanian. Since I am sure there are not too many people expressing themselves in: Emiliano-Romagnolo, Asturianu, Auvernhat, Ehtremeñu, Fala De Xálima, Picard, Calabro-Sicilian.

Faísca · #9 (**permalink**) Tuesday, December 28th, 2004

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Originally Posted by marius

Yes. That is why I proposed a section for Romanian. Since I am sure there are not too many people expressing themselves in: Emiliano-Romagnolo, Asturianu, Auvernhat, Ehtremeñu, Fala De Xálima, Picard, Calabro-Sicilian.

I think you quite misunderstood the point.

The languages you pointed out, are in fact barely spoken, however, they are included in a group that has languages with lots of people speaking it, for instance, Emiliano-Romagnolo is included in the Gallo-Romance group, where, for instance, French is also included; Asturianu, Auvernhat (etc) are included in the Ibero-Romance group, where Castilian and Portuguese are also included.

The subforums are made according to linguistic groups, and not by language. Romanian is the only one within the Eastern Romance group. Therefore it is not viable to have such forum concerning only one language.

Any more questions?

**marius** · #10 (**permalink**) Wednesday, December 29th, 2004

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Originally Posted by Johannes

The languages you pointed out, are in fact barely spoken, however, they are included in a group that has languages with lots of people speaking it, for instance, Emiliano-Romagnolo is included in the Gallo-Romance group, where, for instance, French is also included; Asturianu, Auvernhat (etc) are included in the Ibero-Romance group, where Castilian and Portuguese are also included.

The subforums are made according to linguistic groups, and not by language. Romanian is the only one within the Eastern Romance group. Therefore it is not viable to have such forum concerning only one language.

Any more questions?

Ok, so if I want to write a thread in Romanian, I will write it in the Gallo-Romance area, since, I do not see anything in common with Ibero-Romance area.

Faísca · #11 (**permalink**) Wednesday, December 29th, 2004

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Ok, so if I want to write a thread in Romanian, I will write it in the Gallo-Romance area, since, I do not see anything in common with Ibero-Romance area.

Or here, to be more precise. http://forum.stirpes.net/forumdisplay.php?f=114

**marius** · #12 (**permalink**) Wednesday, December 29th, 2004

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Originally Posted by Johannes

Or here, to be more precise. http://forum.stirpes.net/forumdisplay.php?f=114

It seems I did not have a clear exprimation of my thoughts. I said I was astonished there was no direct mention of Romanian, no specific area for a language spoken by an European (at least as I want to believe) people. Normally, an area about this should have been present at the Gens Romana subforum.

Faísca · #13 (**permalink**) Wednesday, December 29th, 2004

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Originally Posted by marius

It seems I did not have a clear exprimation of my thoughts. I said I was astonished there was no direct mention of Romanian, no specific area for a language spoken by an European (at least as I want to believe) people. Normally, an area about this should have been present at the Gens Romana subforum.

So? Do you see a Doric Greek section where people can speak Tsakonian? Do you see a West Germanic Section where people can speak Frisian? Do you see a Southern Romance section where people can speak Corsican, and the four Sardinian languages? No you don't, because they are within a linguistic group that has only few speakers online. The same with Romanian.

**marius** · #14 (**permalink**) Wednesday, December 29th, 2004

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So? Do you see a Doric Greek section where people can speak Tsakonian? Do you see a West Germanic Section where people can speak Frisian? Do you see a Southern Romance section where people can speak Corsican, and the four Sardinian languages? No you don't, because they are within a linguistic group that has only few speakers online. The same with Romanian.

Ok, and how many people do live in the areas you speak about? And how do you want Romanians to come on sites on which languages like Emiliano-Romagnolo, Asturianu, Auvernhat, Ehtremeñu, Fala De Xálima, Picard, Calabro-Sicilian are mentioned, but their own language is not? If it is to detail each idiom this way, then I should speak about Transylvanian, Moldavian and Oltenian. But it is far from me to claim such extra-work.

What should I understand of this attitude? That Romania is the black ship of Europe and nobody wants to deal with it or to be identified with it?

I am not asking a lot of extra-work, just to find a way to mention it somewhere.

Nerthus · #15 (**permalink**) Wednesday, December 29th, 2004

I'd understand this better if there were many Romanian members on this forum making such a request or complaints.

Faísca · #16 (**permalink**) Wednesday, December 29th, 2004

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Originally Posted by marius

Ok, and how many people do live in the areas you speak about?

How many Romanians have an internet connection? Not offence though, but I know more people from Sardinia with internet connections than I know from Romania.

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What should I understand of this attitude? That Romania is the black ship of Europe and nobody wants to deal with it or to be identified with it?

Marius, you know well I have nothing against Romania, and I really don't have time to linsten to your complexes on how Romania is the black ship of Europe, and the like. As I said earlier, the language sections were created according to linguistic groups that will have at least more than just one or two posters. Read some posts above my post concerning this if you still didn't get my point.

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I am not asking a lot of extra-work, just to find a way to mention it somewhere.

The "Other languages" forum is exactly for those languages not listed in other forums. So you can post there in Romanian, there are plenty of other languages not mentioned too.

**marius** · #17 (**permalink**) Wednesday, December 29th, 2004

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Originally Posted by Aeternitas

I'd understand this better if there were many Romanian members on this forum making such a request or complaints.

Are there auvernhat members? Or members speaking the other languages I spoke about? No.

And why so much of a fuss if I dare to mention Romanian should have been mentioned? I did not ask to make a Romanian sub-forum, but just to mention it for future members. Can you get what I want to say?

**marius** · #18 (**permalink**) Wednesday, December 29th, 2004

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Originally Posted by Johannes

How many Romanians have an internet connection? Not offence though, but I know more people from Sardinia with internet connections than I know from Romania.

I think you might be wrong. It depends what kinds of sites you use to get on, since the concept of Nationalism has been often missused by communists in Romania, so its name is very bad seen nowadays. This is a reason why you are not to see too many Romanians on nationalist sites.
And the second is this attitude, which can easily be interpreted.

Faísca · #19 (**permalink**) Wednesday, December 29th, 2004

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Originally Posted by marius

I think you might be wrong. It depends what kinds of sites you use to get on, since the concept of Nationalism has been often missused by communists in Romania, so its name is very bad seen nowadays. This is a reason why you are not to see too many Romanians on nationalist sites.
And the second is this attitude, which can easily be interpreted.

Are they here? No. If such subforum is needed I'll create it, now it isn't.

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Originally Posted by marius

Are there auvernhat members? Or members speaking the other languages I spoke about? No.

Probably no, but there are members speaking other languages within that linguistic group. As I told you before.

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And why so much of a fuss if I dare to mention Romanian should have been mentioned?
I did not ask to make a Romanian sub-forum, but just to mention it for future members. Can you get what I want to say?

Yes, but how would you do that?
I will not add Romanian under Italo-Dalmatian, nor Gallo-Romance, nor Ibero-Romance, simply because it doesn't belong there.