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View Poll Results: With which people/culture you identify yourself with:
Iberians 7 25.93%
Celts 4 14.81%
Romans 4 14.81%
Celtiberians 9 33.33%
Moors 2 7.41%
Other 1 3.70%
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Supongo que celtíberos o hispanos sería la más correcta.

El tal Ribero-Meneses parece tenerselo un poco creído, el mismo se incluye en una lista de grandes científicos de la historia, y además 3 veces
Parece que todo lo que se supone demuestra está en sus libros, pero me parece que no los voy a comprar porque puedo leer gratis ese sistema de investigación en un poca conocida web, que se supone demuestra que el gallego no viene del latín y que los romanos borraron de la Historia un supuesto imperio atlántico que había también en Galicia. La web es esta:
Galicia irrendenta
Que aproveche.
Es evidente que si se ha incluido en esa lista es porque se merece como ningún otro el estar presente en ella. Por otor lado no sé de qué dichosos "sistemas de investigación" esta hablando porque en la web de la que habla dejan bien claro que llegaron a sus conclusiones por una via totalmente distinta a la que siguió Ribero-Meneses. Por último recomendar a todos el practicar un poco más aquello que se predica con aquello de adoptar una postura alejada de toda cerrazón mental a la hora de investigar y estudiar la historia.
Porque si el mantener una mente abierta significa que me tengo que tragar (quiéralo o no, cuál si fuera un ganso destinado a convertirse en delicioso paté) las mentiras y patrañas que por ignorancia o por aviesas intenciones se nos han intentado inculcar desde la niñez y que vienen siendo repetidas a coro por la corte de loros que cual disco rallado se las aprendieron de memoria para regocijo de su ignorancia y vanidad pues yo les digo que no trago.
Es como si yo les digo ahora que en Auschwitz gasearon en 2 meses a 8 millones de judios y 5 millones de pigmeos y que lo único que les falta a uds. para poder entenderlo y comprenderlo es ser "más abiertos de mente".
Por favor seamos un poco más serios.
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Y por si quedasen dudas acerca de las teorias del señor Meneses, recordemos que ya en 1984, 4 años antes del descubrimiento del yacimiento de Atapuerca, anunciaba el señor Meneses en base a sus estudios filológicos la localización de la cuna de la humanidad en tierras cántabras y que para más inri investigaciones genéticas realizadas por prestigiosos investigadores en el 2003 acabaron por dar la razón a Meneses respecto del origen íberico de los primeros pueblos de Europa.

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Medio dificil como pregunta. Yo pienso que justamente, es la amalgama de las culturas ieras; celtibras, romanas y goticas (+ un poquito de moriscas, porque no) las que contribuyen a la particularidad de la cultura española.
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And Why can't it be a mixture of them?

and........... If i had to say.... I would say Iberians/celts..
But ..hey!
Why moors?
Are you talking aboubt genetic or culture?
Moors did not leave a significant genetic info in the peninsula to alter the genetic code or be significative..... there are surveys about that. I can pass some links if anybody is interested..
And as for culture.... how could be identified with moors?
1. We are all Roman Catholics
2. We follow a christian culture.... the base of our civilization was Greco/roman.
3. Are some toponomies, words, gastronomy and monuments just ?culture as opposed as thousand latin-rooted words, christian cathedrals and symbols? and what's more 800 years of war against them?
even myself , being from Granada, I would consider ridiculous to be identified with the Moors.
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By the way, the guy who voted "Moor" was Alkman, a Greek. See attachment from AdminCP screenshot.
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And Why can't it be a mixture of them?

and........... If i had to say.... I would say Iberians/celts..
Si hablamos de influencia cultural, ésta cambia sobre todo de Poniente a Levante. Pero hay que tener en cuenta que tanto los celtas como los iberos y otros pueblos de la antigüedad (probablemente los ligures también), se extendieron de forma aculturizante como un adstrato sobre un substrato de población que podríamos llamar paleo-hispánica (o, en Occidente en general, paleo-europea).

Así que si hablamos de influencia genética, deberíamos votar por una opción paleo-hispánica.
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Why moors?
The guy who voted for 'Moors' is Alkman, a Greek who used to troll in nearly every forum on the internet. See the attached screenshot from the Admin control panel.
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Are you talking aboubt genetic or culture?
I guess that we should ask him if he meant Turk instead of Moor.
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even myself , being from Granada, I would consider ridiculous to be identified with the Moors.
One thing that always called my attention is how people accept the label of Moorish for master art pieces of such things as the Alhambra and Generalife, without questioning how 'moorish' it was or what 'moorish' was in this case. Considering that in the lands of the Moors, you won't find any such jewels.

Another curiousity about the poll, of the three who have so far voted for Roman, one is a half German and half Italian who lives in Ibiza and another is Italian, with some Spanish ancestry. Only the third one is Spanish (from Portugal).
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Por cierto, supongo que queda claro para todos que "celtíberos" no es una mezcla de celtas+iberos, y que los celtíberos tampoco eran como los otros pueblos célticos sino que eran como los galos.
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Por cierto, supongo que queda claro para todos que "celtíberos" no es una mezcla de celtas+iberos, y que los celtíberos tampoco eran como los otros pueblos célticos sino que eran como los galos.
Cuales otros pueblos célticos? Insulares? Los de "Belgica"?
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Cuales otros pueblos célticos? Insulares? Los de "Belgica"?
¿Quieres decir los "otros celtas"? Más antiguos en Iberia, de un sustrato similar al de los insulares, si recuerdo bien. Aunque tendría que verificarlo antes de señalar tal o cual relación.
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I have answered "Others" because I have recently taken "The Geneographic Test", so probably when I have a possible answer I will rewrite this post.
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By the way, the two who have identified with Moors so far have been a Greek (Alkman) and a Romanian (Komisar).

Fine with me. But perhaps they didn't notice that the poll was intended only for Spaniards/Iberians.
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