What is your opinion on the independence of Andorra?

[Galaico]

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

Why does Andorra have no own € coins?

Trial Euros for Andorra:









Interesting web-page in Spanish with lots of alternative Euros
Euros de prueba

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Galaico

Trial Euros for Andorra:

These two are very.. erh.. Andorran!

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Salaün

I'm not convinced by this solution.

There's two problems :

- There is also a mixed part in Brittany, between the Breton and Gallo. The dividing line between these two was not always like today : the Romance language expanded into formerly Breton-speaking areas since the 10th century (the grey part here) :

I thought it was the opposite, the Breton-speaking expanded into Gallo-speaking areas.

[Galaico]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

These two are very.. erh.. Andorran!

Yes, Andorran naval power was famous world wide

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

These two are very.. erh.. Andorran!

I thought the same thing.

Almost all of those Euro coins shown on the website were really ugly. I prefer the simplicity of the old Irish coins. The poet W.B. Yeats headed the commitee which chose these designs.

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by Salaün

Brittany ?

Why not, if the Bretons wish so.

Originally Posted by Galaico

Yes, Andorran naval power was famous world wide

[Cirrus]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I thought it was the opposite, the Breton-speaking expanded into Gallo-speaking areas.

Yes, Breton (a descendant of Brythonic but also of Gaulish) expanded into Gallo-speaking areas until the 12th century (the stippling in the map).

But then, from the 12th to 20th centuries, the Romance-speaking area expanded, and the Breton language is now spoken to the west of a line linking the cities of Plouha and Vannes, as you can see in the map :

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Salaün

I'm not convinced by this solution.

There's two problems :

- There is also a mixed part in Brittany, between the Breton and Gallo. The dividing line between these two was not always like today : the Romance language expanded into formerly Breton-speaking areas since the 10th century (the grey part here) :

Yes Salaün, I'm well aware. I think I've already mentioned a 1/4 of my ancestors hails from this part you call "mixed" (the name of the place they come from is even Brythonic in origin); however, speaking of language, there's nothing "mixed" there given people have not been speaking Breton for, say, 800 years. What's the point of learning a language your ancestors may have spoken centuries ago? Yes, a long time ago my great * n fathers were speaking Brythonic, so what?

The Breton language expansion was like a wave: flow and backward flow, you know. Some part of the beach has been covered by water once, but still it has never been the sea.

- And there is History : Nantes is the capital of the former Duchy of Brittany, and people of Eastern Brittany also feel Breton.

I agree. I don't think otherwhise; Nantes was the capital of the former Duchy of Brittany. A striking exemple of how the whole Breton society was led by the Gallo-Bretons.

You Breton extremists would dream about a celtic speaking Brittany, even if the consequence of it would be the complete extinction of non-celtic native traditions, culture and language. So just stop whining about Jacobinism and French, you're the same.

[Cirrus]

Originally Posted by Carnyx

You Breton extremists would dream about a celtic speaking Brittany, even if the consequence of it would be the complete extinction of non-celtic native traditions, culture and language. So just stop whining about Jacobinism and French, you're the same.

I don't dream about an "all-breton speaking" Brittany : I'm aware that Brittany has a Roman cultural part, and many defenders of Breton culture are actually Gallo.

I just think, like many Bretons, that we need a Parliament, the protection of Breton language/culture as well as Gallo dialects and the recognition of Breton people.

That's all. Not really Jacobin.

Then, Independence or not, this is another question. But there is no federalist party in France, so...

[Carnyx]

In all honesty, your people is a pain and I'm utterly fed up with micro-nationalist crying babies. The fight is about saving the core afterall, those who are in late and don't adapt die. Vae Victis! Take your independence and good luck. LOL

[Cirrus]

I just explained in my previous post that I wasn't a "micro-nationalist" but rather a federalist that aspire to some degree of autonomy (like in the UK or Spain for exemple).
What's wrong with that ? And if you are Jacobin, why do you have an Occitan flag in your profile ?

All french nationalists say they don't support Jacobinism, but this is a pious wish.

Originally Posted by Carnyx

The fight is about saving the core afterall, those who are in late and don't adapt die. Vae Victis!

So, explain what is "saving the core". Ethnic preservation or the defense of the Republic ?

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Unfortunately, it seems to me that being French nationalist and ethnic nationalist are somewhat incompatible those days.

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[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Salaün

I just explained in my previous post that I wasn't a "micro-nationalist" but rather a federalist that aspire to some degree of autonomy (like in the UK or Spain for exemple).
What's wrong with that ?

The "UK" is hardly an example, especially if we consider that it is being used to separate a part of Northern Ireland from the rest of Ireland for good.

In the case of Spain, the system of autonomies is asymmetrical and chaotic. The devolution of the old charters (Fueros) should be the same for all the territories of the nation.

[Cirrus]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

The "UK" is hardly an example, especially if we consider that it is being used to separate a part of Northern Ireland from the rest of Ireland for good.

In the case of Spain, the system of autonomies is asymmetrical and chaotic.

Sure, there's no perfect system.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

The devolution of the old charters (Fueros) should be the same for all the territories of the nation.

I don't really know the Fuero system, but for France, I think that the return to the pre-1789 system would be the best thing to do.

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by Salaün

I don't really know the Fuero system, but for France, I think that the return to the pre-1789 system would be the best thing to do.

It was asymmetrical and chaotic as well.

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Salaün