Autosomal DNA affiliations of various populations

[Polak]

Some detailed stuff here. If you want to see more samples, and a explination of this system, please visit their website...

[Menydh]

That 26.1% W. European for Portugal is ridiculous. Not to mention the 10.0% E. European. Although the latter might be explained if they took samples from Polish immigrants there.

[Gil]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

That 26.1% W. European for Portugal is ridiculous. Not to mention the 10.0% E. European. Although the latter might be explained if they took samples from Polish immigrants there.

I agree that the sampling is pretty poor; i've been checking the site and they use a short amount of data not even collected by themselves but from other studies.
Anyway, about the E.European data, it might be due to sampling of modern E.European migrants; they number very highly nowadays, namely Ukrainians and Russians, and are now the largest ethnic minority in Portugal.

[Exeter]

How could we explain the greater Mediterranean element in NE Poland than SE Poland?

6,3 % sub-Saharan in Portugal is around 1 % more than I had expected. I read around 5 % in physical anthropology works.

I'm surprised Slovenia is much more East European than Poland.

The company update with new populations all the time.

[Menydh]

Exeter, what you said that the company updates with new examples all of the time reminded me of that other test from another company, AncestrybyDNA, which released a new product well over a year, Euro-DNA. They too are supposed to update with new samples but the table on their page still shows the same data.

Add to that how strange it is that --assuming that NOR means W. European-- Northern Europeans (Scandivanians assumed here) show a higher percentage of NOR (i.e. W. European) than the Irish. Or --if we assume instead that NOR means N. European--, that the percentage of NOR shown in Iberians is higher than the percentage of MED (assumed S. European).

See the screenshot table from AncestrybyDNA:

[Hussar]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

That 26.1% W. European for Portugal is ridiculous. Not to mention the 10.0% E. European. Although the latter might be explained if they took samples from Polish immigrants there.

Effectively, i find many inconguences in autosomal Dna data. Now they have updated the site, and you know a thing ? ANDALUCIA shows a northwest gene % greater than Germany.

Imo, these tests aren't so good.

[Menydh]

I've never seen the Germans as a very NW people generally speaking. If we consider the ancient Germanic as the NW element in Germany, then perhaps much of the country is in fact Germanized rather than Germanic proper. I wonder what the Eastern element is in Germany.

But right, the comparison to Andalusia looks very suspicious. Even if we consider that Andalusia is a territory of conquest and repopulation.

I wonder if Polak is going to offer a rational explanation to this mess or if he started the thread without even reading what the site claims were and will keep silent.

[Hussar]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I wonder if Polak is going to offer a rational explanation to this mess or if he started the thread without even reading what the site claims were and will keep silent.

Well, to be really sincere there is another important point, in that study (from that site), he doesn't mention : in the scale of relatedness, "Mediterranean" and "Northwest" genes, are the most strictly linked, among all the European genes ; "Mediterranean" is more related to "Northwest" than "Eastern euro" and "finnic"...........

See yourself :

[Menydh]

Interesting. Maybe he is considering to post that particular part of the "study" in the thread that he opened both here in Stirpes and Skadi for another "study" on a North/South genetic divide in Europe, where Poles clustered with Germans. Shame! I enjoyed the idea of Poles and Germans clustering together!!!