Who has DNA tested & were you satisfied with the results ?

[The Venetian]

Hello,

Have you DNA tested & were you satisfied with the results ?

1) If,you weren't satisfied state the reason(s) why.

2) If, you haven't tested state why not. ( eg. price, moral reasons...etc )

Thanks !

[Menydh]

I haven't. The reasons are:

1. Janez warned me against the effectivity/validity of such tests at present. If I recall correctly he summarized it as "... but if you want to fund their research.. "
2. I'd rather put my money into something more productive.

However, if I found them unsatisfactory (i.e. if I found significant non-European admixture), that wouldn't stop me from loving that part of my heritage which belongs to the Spains, and I would continue being a Spanish Nationalist, though I would definitely stop my lineage at this point.

[The Venetian]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I haven't. The reasons are:

1. Janez warned me against the effectivity/validity of such tests at present. If I recall correctly he summarized it as "... but if you want to fund their research.. "
2. I'd rather put my money into something more productive.

However, if I found them unsatisfactory (i.e. if I found significant non-European admixture), that wouldn't stop me from loving that part of my heritage which belongs to the Spains, and I would continue being a Spanish Nationalist, though I would definitely stop my lineage at this point.

Mynydd,

Could you please expand - I am referring to your comments in bold type.

Also, could you please tell me what this Janez person said - in more detail, has he made a post where he voices his opinions ?

Thanks !

[Nadvojvoda Janez Kranjski]

Originally Posted by Adaman

Mynydd,

Could you please expand - I am referring to your comments in bold type.

Also, could you please tell me what this Janez person said - in more detail, has he made a post where he voices his opinions ?

Thanks !

Here's what he said:

Which tests are bogus, and why?

What do you mean which? All of them, of course.

Quote:
And which other test would provide a reliable result and to what extent?

Well, that is the question people should be asking - to what extent? People expect from these tests to tell them about their entire ancestry or *cough* race, and probably their ancestors' profession, shoe size and whatnot. No such thing is possible as yet, at least not reliably, especially with sex-specific markers (Y-chromosomal DNA and mitochondrial DNA).

The only tests I know of are:

AncestryByDNA, which sells two tests:
Prices are as follows:

The greatest humbuggery. Ideally, these fellas would provide you with the results you really want. They map autosomal DNA (the actual genome). These genes determine what you'll look like, whether you'll turn out brainy or brawny and whether you'd better start saving some dough for a nose job in a few years, and basically everything else. The problem is that ABD's database is a joke. They only sampled a few NW Europeans and threw in a few individuals from the rest of the world for good measure, but it is also apparent that they have no idea what they're talking about. The problem is that your results will be a garble if you're not from the areas they took their samples from, and even if you are it only means that you're an average Atlantoid. Russians supposedly score 92% West European and 8% East Asian in the newest version of their test, though that's not because Russians are 8% East Asian but because the test doesn't know what to make of non-NW European loci (but they never even explained what kind of Russians they tested, so there). Even one of their employees conceded this.

Quote:
FamilyTreeDNA, which sells the following tests:

Nice price tags, don't you think? Well, does it ring a bell with you already? Their basic aim is to scam you out of your money. Basically, you're funding their research, which is the upside to it, but you're not getting your money's worth. These are mtDNA and Y-chr DNA tests. These markers are nothing but innocuous sequences that basically don't code for anything or perhaps very little. They're like a tag and you may think of them as surnames. They are passed down from generation to generation and they remain intact unless they mutate (more about them here: http://genealogy.about.com/cs/geneti.../dna_tests.htm , though it's not all as cut-and-dry as that).

The best thing one can do is to look up some genetic tests in one's region or the region one's ancestors came from and consider the percentages/ratios of these markers. They'll give you a good overview of what's hot and what's not in terms of your DNA. Sure, these tests will tell you which lineage you are carrying, but ultimately you only inherited one from one of your ancestors.

But hey, we all know that JHWH created humankind during lunch-break, so why bother?

[The Venetian]

Janez,

Quick reply:

Sorry, you haven't understood much - have you ?

Most people that DNA test do so for genealogy purposes - like I have.I am satisfied with the results.( talking about Y DNA & mtDNA tests)

What I have found out about myself has pleased me - you are entitled to your opinion.

As for the autosomal DNA tests that are available at present - I agree with you that more research is needed !

Thanks for your comments !

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Adaman

Could you please expand - I am referring to your comments in bold type.

There is nothing to expand on. That would be a personal choice which would hurt no one.

Thanks !

You are most welcome.

[The Venetian]

Mynydd,

I do understand your point of view - it is good to see what our fellow members have to say.

Thank you !

[Nadvojvoda Janez Kranjski]

Originally Posted by Adaman

Janez,

Quick reply:

Sorry, you haven't understood much - have you ?

Perhaps because you didn't specify it was for genealogical purposes.

Most people that DNA test do so for genealogy purposes - like I have.

You'd be surprised.

I am satisfied with the results.( talking about Y DNA & mtDNA tests)

Congrats.

What I have found out about myself has pleased me - you are entitled to your opinion.

Good for you. What I said in my previous post was true. You're free to refute any part you like.

As for the autosomal DNA tests that are available at present - I agree with you that more research is needed !

Thanks for your comments !

You're very welcome.

[The Venetian]

Janez,

The fact,that thousands of individuals have used Y DNA & mtDNA tests to help them in their genealogical research ( with many success stories - including my own) is sufficient proof to me, that genetic genealogy is on the right track.

Nothing in life is perfect .......

Please refrain from adopting a condescending tone - manners please !

Your belief systems are your own.

Many of these people ,that have tested are well known scientists themselves.

I would like other members to put forward their comments.

[Carnyx]

No, I have not. First it's expensive. Then, I don't need to do it for genealogical purpose. I know who my parents are. As for my ancestors, as Mynydd said, if I had non-European ancestors, I don't think it would make me less French or Europid or less proud of it. If you've something alien that goes back 1000 years ago, what does it mean? We've millions of ancestors. I don't think it means much. I'm not a seeker of absolute "purity". I'm Europid, that's all that matters.

[Nadvojvoda Janez Kranjski]

Originally Posted by Adaman

Janez,

The fact,that thousands of individuals have used Y DNA & mtDNA tests to help them in their genealogical research ( with many success stories - including my own) is sufficient proof to me, that genetic genealogy is on the right track.

Nothing in life is perfect .......

As if I hadn't emphasized that they in fact can be helpful in one's genealogical pursuits:They're like a tag and you may think of them as surnames. They are passed down from generation to generation and they remain intact unless they mutate (more about them here: http://genealogy.about.com/cs/geneti.../dna_tests.htm , though it's not all as cut-and-dry as that).

Please refrain from adopting a condescending tone - manners please !

Don't get me started. These types of discussion are a slippery slope.

[The Venetian]

Originally Posted by Duchemin

First it's expensive. Then, I don't need to do it for genealogical purpose. I know who my parents are. As for my ancestors, as Mynydd said, if I had non-European ancestors, I don't think it would make me less French or Europid or less proud of it. If you've something alien that goes back 1000 years ago, what does it mean? We've millions of ancestors. I don't think it means much IMO. I'm not a seeker of absolute "purity". I'm Europid, that's all that matters.

Duchemin,

Thank you for your opinion - I would like all members to express their opinions.

Good or bad - doesn't matter !

[The Venetian]

Originally Posted by Nadvojvoda Janez Kranjski

Don't get me started. These types of discussion are a slippery slope.

I certainly not going to discuss matters with you any more ! - period.

Attitude elsewhere please - i am not your age.

[The Venetian]

I do realize that genetic genealogy is not for all - we all view things from our perspective.

I am genuinely interested to hear what my fellow members have to say about this new science of genetic genealogy.

There are many misconceptions - many individuals have not taken the time to research
the topic in depth.

[Señor Malo]

No, I haven't my DNA tested yet. The reasons;
it had not came to my mind yet. I'm seriously facing it now but :


-I don't know where to go and have it tested
-It will be a matter of price, then.

If One day I get my DNA tested and found an important non European admixture ... I'll just tye a heavy ston to my neck and plunge into deep water ... no, serious...i'll jut try found out what kind on non European admixture I have and well...
see the positive achieveemnts of my "other side" (if I have oriental, arabab, amerindian, I'll find interesting stuff but if it is negroid... aye aye aye! I don't see what achievement I can rely to...)

[Carnyx]

I just wonder if some peoples who take a dna test have not doubts about their origins. So it'd be their main motivation to have their dna tested beside curiosity.

Searcher of truth : why do you think you could have non-Europid admixture in you? I've been told that "criollos" have Indian admixture. Are you a creollo or is your european background more recent?

Negroid admixture in Argentina? Hmm, I thought there are no Negrids any more there. A presence of Negrid slaves doens't imply racial mixing for the Europid population IMO, but only for the slaves eventually. If there's negroid admixture among Europids in Argentina, it is certainly more recent.

Last, about the supposed orientalid blood. If you've such blood in you and that it dates back to the 8th century for instance... I don't think it matters, should it? But I don't believe in the "Iberians are mixed race" theory. It'd be too simple.