English and Welsh are races apart

[Welund]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

And your point is?

Are you joking? The point is she's not dark Welsh -- or even Welsh. In a thread called "English and Welsh are races apart" I don't see the point of posting her picture any more than one of James Earl Jones.

[Faísca]

Her mother was Irish, and from what I've heard, it was her mother who was dark and Welsh father who was light.

With such simple thing to check, the what I've heard argument becomes invalid.

Originally Posted by Welund

Are you joking? The point is she's not dark Welsh -- or even Welsh. In a thread called "English and Welsh are races apart" I don't see the point of posting her picture any more than one of James Earl Jones.

Think twice, perhaps thrice.


Catherine Zeta-Jones with her mother Pat Jones.


Catherine's parents, Pat and David Jones.

Now compare with James Earl Jones.

[Menydh]

Good picture. Seems as if her swarthy looks don't come from her Irish mother.

[Carnyx]

Mynydd's pics : I suppose they look... welsh. Hmm, they have at least anglo expression. The women under the umbrella has an english smile.

CZJ's mother has fake blond hair. Mother and father are not that "dark". Nobody can be sure if her "darkness" comes from her father or her father. And you cares?

If Catherine Zeta-Jones isn't welsh, so what is she? Is this welsh singer not welsh too?



What about John Rhys Davis?



I once read some roman comments about the silures tribe : dark curly hair, swarthy skin...

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by M.Duchemin

Mynydd's pics : I suppose they look... welsh.

Dr. Watson?

Hmm, they have at least anglo expression. The women under the umbrella has an english smile.

"Anglo"? as in Anglo-Saxon? I don't think so.

I once read some roman comments about the silures tribe : dark curly hair, swarthy skin...

The Prydyn were most probably swarthoids too.

[Gil]

@Welund: I think this has already been posted but since you have some reservations, here we go:

Catherine Zeta Jones, early 1990's and CZJ in 2000



As you might be aware, skin pigmentation tends to get lighter as years go by, specially in western countries because:

a) you don't get as much UV radiation on your skin as you did when you were younger

b) your body has a change in diet which causes changes in melanocortin receptors (skin melanine)

Also, "trends" dictate alot what "famous" people wear and look so the whole puffed hair and very tanned skin of the 90's is a bit of in 2000 (though it seems to be making a comeback in 2004-2005)


No, i'm NOT metrosexual, dammit!

[Faísca]

Originally Posted by Manji

@Welund: I think this has already been posted but since you have some reservations, here we go:

Catherine Zeta Jones, early 1990's and CZJ in 2000

I'll add my bit here. I do have reservations believing that that picture is really Catherine Zeta-Jones. Just let's get things straight, besides that picture, has anyone seen her like that, I mean, before the "infamous plastic surgery"? At least I didn't.

Now, why is it that in that magazine all the letters we see, no one seems to point to a name started by C, Z, or J? It would be expected, taking into account she is in the front page.

In my opinion, that is just a similar person, nothing more, nothing less.

No, i'm NOT metrosexual, dammit!

Suuure....

[Gil]

OK.... showtime!

Catherine Zeta Jones in the TV series "Darling Buds of May", 1991


more photos from that series:
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/jones.jsrp...2cjldbom02.jpg
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/jones.jsrp...2cjldbom03.jpg

In 1993, in the movie "Splitting Heirs" (actually Eric Idle of Monty Python is in the movie!!!)





Enough already?

[Milesian]

There are other examples of the so-called Silurian Welsh type.

Former Welsh television actress, Ruth Madoc:

[Exeter]

I think that they just look like darker Palaeo-Atlantids. What do you think? Not all Cro-Magnoid types are depigmented, particularly not the reduced ones.

Catherine Zeta Jones look like some Spaniards in the pictures posted by Manji.

Originally Posted by Milesian

There are other examples of the so-called Silurian Welsh type.

Former Welsh television actress, Ruth Madoc

[Milesian]

Originally Posted by Exeter

I think that they just look like darker Palaeo-Atlantids. What do you think? Not all Cro-Magnoid types are depigmented, particularly not the reduced ones.

Catherine Zeta Jones look like some Spaniards in the pictures posted by Manji.

I agree, Paleo-Atlantids by any other name.
Indigenous Western European stock.

[Carnyx]

I would say that English people is a race apart.

[Welund]

Originally Posted by Johannes de León

With such simple thing to check, the what I've heard argument becomes invalid.

Think twice, perhaps thrice.

Irrelevant. I wasn't really arguing that her mother was swarthy. My point was none of you knew snot about what she was. You all thought she was Welsh, and she isn't. That's the point. She's not Welsh and has nothing to do with this thread.

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Welund

Irrelevant. I wasn't really arguing that her mother was swarthy. My point was none of you knew snot about what she was. You all thought she was Welsh, and she isn't. That's the point. She's not Welsh and has nothing to do with this thread.

So, what's she? Part Irish/part Welsh or whatelse?

[Faísca]

Originally Posted by Welund

Irrelevant. I wasn't really arguing that her mother was swarthy.

Originally Posted by Welund

Her mother was Irish, and from what I've heard, it was her mother who was dark and Welsh father who was light.

My point was none of you knew snot about what she was. You all thought she was Welsh, and she isn't.

I never said so.

That's the point. She's not Welsh and has nothing to do with this thread.

Point taken.

[Cynan]

While I believe the English and Welsh to be races apart, the Catherine Zeta Jones example doesn't hold up because she is 1/4 Greek and her mother is from Ireland.