Race and Intelligence: The Evidence

[Heimdallr]

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Scientific data show that the races differ in intelligence — dogma holds otherwise.

There is probably no greater intellectual crime than to point out that the average intelligence of blacks is significantly lower than that of other races. American society punishes those who publicly state this view almost as vigorously as Islamic republics punish anyone who defames the Prophet.

Despite its strength, one of the most remarkable things about the racial dogma is how new it is. Until only a few decades ago, hardly anyone thought the races were equal. Kipling wrote of “lesser breeds without the law”...

• The 1914 edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica noted that “The Negro is intellectually inferior to the Caucasian.”

The conditions in which blacks live are the result, not the cause of low intelligence.

• Blacks may have gotten as far in American society as their natural limitations permit.

The primitive circumstances of pre-colonial Africa are well known, as is the spectacular failure of Africans to build modern nations after independence.

• Average IQ’s may be as low as 80 in Uganda, 75 in Nigeria, and 65 in Zaire.

American Renaissance >>> Race and Intelligence: The Evidence





Law enforcement agencies have long known that there is a strong correlation between IQ and the natural or habitual inclination to commit crime.

For example, blacks are one eighth of the population of the United States and one eighth of the population of London, England. In both cases they commit about half of the reported crime.

[Kernunnos]

Ehi, i'm 122 and I'm not oriental ... oh my Lord i must have asian ancestry.

[Marcus Marulus]

I am really impressed by all these bars. Finally enlightened....

[Weltschmerz]

Why the ridicule?

Originally Posted by Heimdallr

This one is quite important, and it has the potential of being an argument - in time perhaps even a politically correct argument - against immigration of Blacks.

We may also want to find or make the corresponding statistics for different religions, and see what is the outcome.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Gnist

Why the ridicule?

This one is quite important, and it has the potential of being an argument - in time perhaps even a politically correct argument - against immigration of Blacks.

We may also want to find or make the corresponding statistics for different religions, and see what is the outcome.

I don't trust IQ tests and don't consider their results as equivalent to intelligence, as I already said in several occasions. We had discussions on that. As far as I remember, you also said that you don't value them much. My ironical comments were directed against the part of Heimdalir's copy-pasted article which spoke about the innate differences of intelligence.

I overlooked the second part, which speaks about crime rates. Unlike IQ tests, crime rates can be something much more exact. This is something easily measurable: you have a certain number of people of certain race committing crimes, you draw your data from the police files and found your statistics thereupon.

You want to say: "It may be used..."? Hmmm...

I am a bit sceptical.

It may prove a double-edged sword. Once these bars are accepted as some kind of supreme truth, it may lead even to abuses of the ruling elites against the native population.

National preservationism cannot be founded on any "objective" criteria, I think. It is not possible to do so in any meaningful sense. The very being of a nation makes it worth preserving and not some superior IQ, inferior crime rate etc.

Once you accept such objective criteria, the road is open for many absuses.

[Weltschmerz]

Originally Posted by Marulus

National preservationism cannot be founded on any "objective" criteria, I think. It is not possible to do so in any meaningful sense. The very being of a nation makes it worth preserving and not some superior IQ, inferior crime rate etc.

Once you accept such objective criteria, the road is open for many absuses.

I never said that preservationism could be founded upon crime rates. I suggested that they provide an argument that could prove to be of good use, as one argument against one particular policy. It is not to be understood as the cornerstone of anything much. You might want to call it the guerilla warfare of argumentation, but I think - or I hope - you will agree that these crime rates aren't irrelevant in the present situation.

And moreover, what I hinted when mentioning political correctness, was that in order to convince other people who can support the good cause, we need to adress them in a way that they can understand and relate to, for example by bringing up facts that cannot simply be discarded as just another point of view that could be wrong. Few are those hardcore deniers who will refuse to admit that rape is a problem. If everybody knew for a fact that Blacks commit say 70% of rapes, I think people would be less inclined to think of immigration as charity.

For as long as people think of immigrants in all fluffy terms though, most are not so inclined to attribute a lot of importance to the more fundamental principles of nationalism.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Gnist

I never said that preservationism could be founded upon crime rates. I suggested that they provide an argument that could prove to be of good use, as one argument against one particular policy. It is not to be understood as the cornerstone of anything much. You might want to call it the guerilla warfare of argumentation, but I think - or I hope - you will agree that these crime rates aren't irrelevant in the present situation.

And moreover, what I hinted when mentioning political correctness, was that in order to convince other people who can support the good cause, we need to adress them in a way that they can understand and relate to, for example by bringing up facts that cannot simply be discarded as just another point of view that could be wrong. Few are those hardcore deniers who will refuse to admit that rape is a problem. If everybody knew for a fact that Blacks commit say 70% of rapes, I think people would be less inclined to think of immigration as charity.

For as long as people think of immigrants in all fluffy terms though, most are not so inclined to attribute a lot of importance to the more fundamental principles of nationalism.

OK, if you want to say that it could be used as one among many weapons in the propaganda warfare. But it should never be absolutized.

[Heimdallr]

Originally Posted by Gnist

This one is quite important, and it has the potential of being an argument - in time perhaps even a politically correct argument - against immigration of Blacks.

I couldn't agree more... In America, where citizens enjoy the constitutionally protected right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness", I wonder, does this guarantee NOT extend to the prohibition of the importation of those who historically have demonstrated a pronounced and natural or habitual inclination or tendency toward criminal and other uncivilized behaviors ??? ... Does the citizenry NOT have the right to be protected from governmental policies that will SURELY result in an increase in CRIME against their property, women and children???

Considering the burden of intolerable violent crime on civilized society in America, you can bet the citizenry would be marching in the streets opposed to such if it were not deemed politically incorrect by the main stream media to do so... WHOSE best interests does this 'mentality' of political correctness serve ??? ... Is it not the secular humanists whose sowing of discord and lawlessness advances their OWN agenda and 'vision' of THEIR 'New World Order' ???

About 60,000 Bhutanese, now in United Nations camps in Nepal, are to be flown to the U.S. over the next five years by direction of the State Department. Nepal wants Bhutan to take them back in. Bhutan says they are economic migrants and will not.

To solve the problem, the State Department will bring most of them here [USA]. This will help achieve President Bush's social 'vision' of 70,000 refugees for 2007 and help justify staff and salaries at [The U.S.] State [Department] .

The airplane flights will wind up costing millions. One month after the Bhutanese arrive, they will be eligible for federal, state and local welfare. Few will have jobs waiting for them; perhaps 60 percent will be employed within a year, with an average salary of less than $10 an hour.

Pittsburg Tribune Review >>> 60,000 Bhutanese refugees

You may (or may not) know too that over the past 2-3 years, approximately 10,000 SOMALIANS have been allowed to immigrate to and settle in the USA... They are being settled in prediominantly white areas like New England and Utah, and are being 'sponsored' by JEWISH families.

Here are few exerts from the news article that was posted on Yahoo (since expired) about the Batus (Somalians) recently that were resettled in the USA... Read it and weep:

The U.S. State Department in 1999 agreed to give political asylum to more than 13,000 Bantus, making them the largest single group of African refugees ever admitted to the USA (at that time).

• Resettlement counselors who work with Bantus say many had never flushed a toilet, flicked a light switch, watched a TV, talked on a telephone, cooked on a stove, ridden in a car, held a pen, used a fork, seen a two-story building or written or read their own language.

• In Kenya, some Bantus had gotten stuck in a room at an orientation session because they didn't know how to turn the doorknob. Others asked whether they had to go with their luggage as it passed through the airport X-ray machine.

• More than 200 Bantus ended up in homeless shelters last year in Columbus, Ohio. They'd moved to the city, which has a large Somali population, from the communities where they were originally settled, looking for work.

• The 100 Bantu families who were resettled in Pinellas County, Fla., in 2004, found jobs and housing so scarce that within a year all had moved elsewhere.

"We had no idea how hard it would be, even though we spent a year preparing for their arrival," says Marmor, the Springfield agency director. "We didn't realize there would be people with no knowledge of Western civilization."

Van Lehman, a Portland (Oregon) State University professor involved in a national effort to study and assist the Somali Bantu, says almost all the men who can work do, usually in low-wage posts such as janitor, warehouse worker and orderly. Most of the men have learned some English. Many have bought cars and gotten driver's licenses.

• Most of the women are isolated at home without a car and with several small children. Their only exposure to English is a volunteer tutor for a few hours once a week.

"But at least we had them prepared for Halloween," says Robert Marmor, director of Jewish Family Services of Western Massachusetts, which helped resettle 250 Bantus.

As if U.S. prisons are not ALREADY FULL enough of the Africans, the U.S. government has recently allowed 13,000+ Bantus refugees from Somalia and 23,000 Burundi refugees from Tanzania to legally 'immigate' in mass to its land...

The 13,000+ Bantus refugees from Somalia were resettled in a number of waves (or stages) of about 3,000 - 4,000 each... The 23,000 Burundi refugees from Tanzania and the 60,000 Bhutanese will also be resettled by the same methodology...

Apparently all of this is in accordance with UN agreements by member nations to help resettle 'refugees' by granting them 'asylum'... Other predominantly white nations nations like Norway, New Zealand and Australia are following suit, but in much smaller numbers...

Just what civilized, law-abiding European societies NEED... MORE Africans, and the CRIME that will SURELY follow !


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[OneEnglishNorman]

The other point to add to the race & intelligence discussion, is that although East Asian IQ is higher on average, European IQ occupies more extremes of the bell curve, so that although more Europeans are absolute "idiots", European populations also contain more ultra-high IQ geniuses than Asian populations.

[Weltschmerz]

Originally Posted by Marulus

OK, if you want to say that is could be used as one among many weapons in the propaganda warfare. But it should never be absolutized.

We agree on that. But if you want to know how I think, I elaborate in closer detail in replying to Heimdallr here, and I think he makes a good point with the evidence part. There is a line of logic in it.

Originally Posted by Heimdallr

I couldn't agree more... In America, where citizens enjoy the constitutionally protected right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness", I wonder, does this guarantee NOT extend to the prohibition of the importation of those who historically have demonstrated a pronounced and natural or habitual inclination or tendency toward criminal and other uncivilized behaviors ??? ... Does the citizenry NOT have the right to be protected from governmental policies that will SURELY result in an increase in CRIME against their property, women and children???

Yes, and authorities and governments who do not realize these things are not only incompetent. Just like you say, they commit a crime against the nation by releasing these horrors on us.

Considering the burden of intolerable violent crime on civilized society in America, you can bet the citizenry would be marching in the streets opposed to such if it were not deemed politically incorrect by the main stream media to do so... WHOSE best interests does this 'mentality' of political correctness serve ??? ... Is it not the secular humanists whose sowing of discord and lawlessness advances their OWN agenda and 'vision' of THEIR 'New World Order' ???

Indeed. Most people are not even aware that the case against immigration can easily be made on objective criteria. The other side will cling to whatever arguments they think they have, and that's why I made the comparison with guerilla warfare. When you are dealing with completely irrational people, or simple and evil thugs, some objectivity can actually come in handy to prove them wrong.

Apparently all of this is in accordance with UN agreements by member nations to help resettle 'refugees' by granting them 'asylum'... Other predominantly white nations nations like Norway, New Zealand and Australia are following suit, but in much smaller numbers...

Sometimes the UN does even represent a MORE reasonable approach. For example, they have said that refugees should be accomodated in countries nearby their ethnic home, in a similar culture. But what is going on across the whole world now usually has little to do with refugees. It is mostly labour immigration, or intended to be, even if it may be a failure also as such. I've seen different figures from different sources, but they say that refugees constitute as little as 1-3% of accepted immigrants to Sweden.

Just what civilized, law-abiding European societies NEED... MORE Africans, and the CRIME that will SURELY follow !

It may sound crude and "racist", but it's not racism, it's the truth, and as usual, the real tyrants are those who deny these horrors. Statistics also matter on these issues for very apparent reasons, namely that mass immigration brings problems in numbers that are actually objective and truly devastating.

I've never read so much balderdash in my life... Well, that may not be true. But using IQ as a proxy for 'racial' (a concept impossible to define well) intelligence is trouble. The crime chart is similarly laughable. Why do the Blacks (as if they were one genetic group to begin with) do so well in Barbados, but so poorly in US? Why do Australian Aborigines do so badly all around, and yet are related to mainland Asians, having nothing to do with Africans? The realm of human behavior and human intelligence is exceedingly complex. Simplifying it to a few races is pseudoscience at its best.

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by OneEnglishNorman

The other point to add to the race & intelligence discussion, is that although East Asian IQ is higher on average, European IQ occupies more extremes of the bell curve, so that although more Europeans are absolute "idiots", European populations also contain more ultra-high IQ geniuses than Asian populations.

Europeans have produced far more scientific, technological and humanitarian improvements and achievements than Asians, also

[Weltschmerz]

Originally Posted by Grof

The crime chart is similarly laughable.

In Sweden, the politicians who really wish that there could be evidence, to support the idea that the higher rates of violent crime among immigrants has a lot more to do with socio-economical factors, ordered a serious sociological evaluation of the data. The conclusion was that less than 10% of the overrepresentation in violent crime could thus be explained. The politicians who ordered the investigation went on to do their best to cover up the evidence, and this was several years ago. They still say that the reasons for the overrepresentation are socio-economical, but then they are not only evil thugs who release violent crime on the people who voted for them, they also lie to be able to keep up with it. These traitors should be mocked in public across the nation and jailed for life.

But if you would like to think that it is completely OK to import assault, rape and murder that will cause innocent people to suffer for their bloodlust and sexual hatred, then that's your responsibility as well.

[Lutiferre]

Originally Posted by Truth-Finder

Europeans have produced far more scientific, technological and humanitarian improvements and achievements than Asians, also

Of course - it is a huge mistake to only judge a civilization by its IQ score. But we must also acknowledge that we can admire other civilizations without undermining our own. I, for one, admire about East Asians their historical progress, considering that so many other parts of the world have not reached what they have. Today, I think all they do is imitate the west, which I