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Re: Healthy Hunter-Gatherers Foodstuffs Diet
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Re: Healthy Hunter-Gatherers Foodstuffs Diet
Thank you for your compliment, and I'm sorry about your evening.
  There are some businesses here where you buy an Iberian pork and they raise it for you. Then they keep you updated by sending you pictures of the animal, and when they kill it they send you the products by pieces. My uncle told me that you almost feel guilty for eating those delicious products.
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accipiet reduces. Antiquam exquirite matrem: hic domus Aeneae cunctis dominabitur oris, et nati natorum, et qui nascentur ab illis.'  We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. –Plato–
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If humans had considered that cruelty thousands of years ago, the species would have not been able to evolve as it has done by just eating grass.
Apparently human brain expanded after humans included meat in their diet. Neither cruel nor tree-huggers and bunny-lovers. Simply, realistic.
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'Dardanidae duri, quae uos a stirpe parentum prima tulit tellus, eadem uos ubere laeto
accipiet reduces. Antiquam exquirite matrem: hic domus Aeneae cunctis dominabitur oris, et nati natorum, et qui nascentur ab illis.' We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. –Plato–
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Re: Healthy Hunter-Gatherers Foodstuffs Diet
There are different and actually healthier ways to get protein these days, such as soy gluten, and it tastes just like meat. Even my meat crazy friends got used to it and say it's even better than the real thing, minus the risks of eating red meat. So there.
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The Iberian pork is an ancient and unique breed which is raised in the Leonese and Portuguese Extremaduras. They are raised in the dehesas, where they are fed with acorn, which makes the products obtained from them all more tasty. I was told once by a Portuguese gentleman that in the old days there were also "cerdos tartufos", that is porks who searched for "trufas" (truffles) and fed themselves with them. Easy to believe since in the countryside it is usual to see marks on the ground from wild boars who have been searching for truffles.
The Iberian pork is black, and it is autoctonous of Iberia. The pink porks were known as Celtic porks, and were supposedly introduced in Iberia by the Celts. I wonder if the Iberian pork existed in other parts of Western Europe in ancient times and was replaced by the Celtic pork. Most likely it did. A herd of Iberian porks roaming free on a dehesa    The products from the acorn-fed Iberian pork largely excel in quality those obtained from the Celtic porks raised on pigsties and fed on composts. To obtain the classification of Iberian acorn-fed, the porks must have been fed with acorns for some 90-100 days at least during the phase of fattening, which means that they have to eat some 450kg of acorns. The curing process of the Iberian ham First it must be salted with sea salt for a certain period of time (1 day per kg) at temperatures of 4ºC to 6ºC. Next they are left to dry for a period of 8 months. Finally, they are left to mature for a minimum of 12 months the paletas (front leg) and 18 months the jamón (rear leg). Jamón Ibérico (Spanish Iberian cured ham), is the rear leg cured in the cold mountain air of the sierras. It is said to be yet better quality when it is the leg where the pork rests on (or all the way round, not sure now).    Lomo Ibérico  Chorizo Ibérico  Morcón Ibérico  Salchichón Ibérico  Paleta Ibérica (like jamón, but the front leg which is less appreciated)  A much complete information site (in Spanish) here: http://www.jamon-iberico.com/pag_fichas_recetas.php I found a shop in the US for price references here: http://www.tienda.com/ A boneless Iberico ham cost $69 per pound of weight. A whole ham of 15lb of weight $800.
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'Dardanidae duri, quae uos a stirpe parentum prima tulit tellus, eadem uos ubere laeto
accipiet reduces. Antiquam exquirite matrem: hic domus Aeneae cunctis dominabitur oris, et nati natorum, et qui nascentur ab illis.' We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. –Plato–
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'Dardanidae duri, quae uos a stirpe parentum prima tulit tellus, eadem uos ubere laeto
accipiet reduces. Antiquam exquirite matrem: hic domus Aeneae cunctis dominabitur oris, et nati natorum, et qui nascentur ab illis.' We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. –Plato–
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What a beautiful sight. Burn piggies, burn! BTW, I thought Soya was a bit dodgy. Doesn't it mimic oestrogen in the body. Now, I love the female form but it wouldn't look good on me 
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The traditions of the Irish people are the oldest of any race in Europe north and west of the Alps, and they themselves are the longest settled on their own soil - Edmund Curtis (A History of Ireland: From Earliest Times to 1922) The Irish are one of the most ancient nations that I know of at this end of the world, and are from as mighty a race as the world ever brought forth. For it is certain that Ireland hath had the use of letters very anciently and long before England; that they had letters anciently is nothing doubtful, for the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish. - Edmund Spenser (writer, and British Government Official in Ireland, AD 1596). The renaissance began in Ireland seven hundred years before it was known in Italy. And Armagh, the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, was at one time the metropolis of civilisation. - Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature Ireland can indeed lay claim to a great past; she can not only boast of having been the birthplace and abode of high culture in the fifth and sixth centuries . . . but also of having made strenous efforts in the seventh and up to the tenth century to spread her learning among the German and Romance peoples, thus forming the actual fountain of our present continental civilisation. - Heinrich Zimmer, Professor of Celtic and Sanskrit, Member of the Prussian Academy of Sciences
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You people are horrible... for making me hungry
I like meat... mmm... pork, beef, chicken... yum, yum. I don't feel guilty for eating it at all. Sue me
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If we didn't eat them then the wolves and foxes would.
I'm sure as hell not going to let those little S.O.B.s get all the tasty treats before me.
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The traditions of the Irish people are the oldest of any race in Europe north and west of the Alps, and they themselves are the longest settled on their own soil - Edmund Curtis (A History of Ireland: From Earliest Times to 1922) The Irish are one of the most ancient nations that I know of at this end of the world, and are from as mighty a race as the world ever brought forth. For it is certain that Ireland hath had the use of letters very anciently and long before England; that they had letters anciently is nothing doubtful, for the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish. - Edmund Spenser (writer, and British Government Official in Ireland, AD 1596). The renaissance began in Ireland seven hundred years before it was known in Italy. And Armagh, the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, was at one time the metropolis of civilisation. - Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature Ireland can indeed lay claim to a great past; she can not only boast of having been the birthplace and abode of high culture in the fifth and sixth centuries . . . but also of having made strenous efforts in the seventh and up to the tenth century to spread her learning among the German and Romance peoples, thus forming the actual fountain of our present continental civilisation. - Heinrich Zimmer, Professor of Celtic and Sanskrit, Member of the Prussian Academy of Sciences
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Re: Healthy Hunter-Gatherers Foodstuffs Diet
Mädchen, you just earned some rep. points and a little something for a trait..
Bauch und Wurst vom Schwein auf Sauerkraut, dazu Kartoffelpüree  Weisswurst  Eisbein auf Sauerkraut  What are the purees next to the sauerkraut on the plate and on the bowl?  Großes Schinkeneisbein mit Spreewälder Sauerkraut, hausgekochtem Erbspürée mit Zwiebelschmelze, Mostrich und Salzkartoffeln (hopefully it doesn't long as long to cook as it does to pronounce it)  The Spanish version, Codillo 
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'Dardanidae duri, quae uos a stirpe parentum prima tulit tellus, eadem uos ubere laeto
accipiet reduces. Antiquam exquirite matrem: hic domus Aeneae cunctis dominabitur oris, et nati natorum, et qui nascentur ab illis.' We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. –Plato–
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