Soviet Dissident Warns Ideology-Driven EU Becoming Next Soviet Union

[Milesian]

by Gudrun Schultz

BRUSSELS - The European Union is rapidly approaching a state similar to ideology-driven totalitarian regimes, a former Soviet dissident and expert witness against the Soviet Communist Party warned last week in Brussels.

Speaking at the invitation of the United Kingdom Independence Party, Vladimir Bukovsky, 63, said the EU was a “monster” that must be destroyed before it developed into the next Soviet Union, the Brussels Journal reported.

“The Soviet Union used to be a state run by ideology. Today’s ideology of the European Union is social-democratic, statist, and a big part of it is also political correctness,” Mr. Bukovsky said in an interview with Paul Belien. “I watch very carefully how political correctness spreads and becomes an oppressive ideology…Look at this persecution of people like the Swedish pastor who was persecuted for several months because he said that the Bible does not approve homosexuality.”

Pointing to a further example in the introduction of “hate speech” laws in France and Britain, Mr. Bukovsky said, “What you observe, taken into perspective, is a systematic introduction of ideology which could later be enforced with oppressive measures.”

Mr. Bukovsky said he gained access to confidential documents from the Soviet era in 1992, which revealed plans, dating back twenty years, to turn the European Union into a socialist organization. In 1985-1986 an informal agreement between Moscow and left-wing parties of Europe began to develop, according to Bukovsky, a plan that would see the Soviet Union “mellow” toward a social-democratic structure, while Western Europe would adopt a socialist structure.

“Then there [would] be convergency,” said Mr. Bukovsky. “This is why the structures of the European Union were initially built with the purpose of fitting into the Soviet structure. This is why they are so similar in functioning and in structure.”

While he acknowledges EU policies are not aggressively enforced as they were under the Soviet leadership, Mr. Bukovsky said nonetheless European countries are under enormous pressure to conform to EU ideology.

“It is almost blackmail. Switzerland was forced to vote five times in a referendum. All five times they have rejected it, but who knows what will happen the sixth time, the seventh time. It is always the same thing…The people have to vote in referendums until the people vote the way that is wanted.”

“It looks like we are living in a period of rapid, systematic and very consistent dismantlement of democracy,” Mr. Bukovsky warned.

“Today’s situation is really grim. Major political parties have been completely taken in by the new EU project. None of them really opposes it. They have become very corrupt. Who is going to defend our freedoms?”

He believes the repression of national freedom and identity he sees in EU domination of European nations will eventually lead to a backlash similar to the chaos that followed the collapse of the Soviet state.

“[Y]ou can press a spring only that much, and the human psyche is very resilient you know. You can press it, you can press it, but don’t forget it is still accumulating a power to rebound. It is like a spring and it always goes to overshoot.”
Interview with Vladimir Bukovsky

http://irish-nationalism.net/forum/s...9168#post69168

[Strengthandhonour]

This is a really good article. I see the hypocrisy in the EU when they speak of opressive regimes and fighting for the rights,etc. But that idea of being peaceful and right and free really is almost back fiering.

[Milesian]

Originally Posted by Strengthandhonour

This is a really good article. I see the hypocrisy in the EU when they speak of opressive regimes and fighting for the rights,etc. But that idea of being peaceful and right and free really is almost back fiering.

Freedom is an illusion. you can never have true freedom for the simple reason that no-one knows how to use it in moderation.
The result of true "Freedom" or "Liberty" would be social collapse and anarchy.

You're right, our countries are the last that should be talking of "freedom" anyway, when you can be jailed for insulting someone (hate crime) or holding a certain opinion (Holocaust Denial Laws)

In a sense, we live in a world much more sinister than Orwell's 1984 portrayed, because at least in that society it was quiet obvious what was going on. Our governments are much more sophisticated in their methods.
They truly are adept at turning rights into wrongs and wrongs into rights.

[svin]

Milesian, can you provide original link, it would be nice.

[Milesian]

Originally Posted by svin

Milesian, can you provide original link, it would be nice.

Unfortunately there was none provided with the thread on IN, but I can ask if you want.

[svin]

Ah, no, it's ok. I gave link to the stirpes site and it was enough.

[Menydh]

Ever heard of web search engines you two?

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/865

[Erasmus]

http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?I...006-11-09&HC=4

Lots of links:

http://www.google.es/search?sourceid...t+Soviet+Union

[svin]

Ok, ok, I'm ashamed now.

[Gladstone]

Originally Posted by Milesian

Mr. Bukovsky said he gained access to confidential documents from the Soviet era in 1992, which revealed plans, dating back twenty years, to turn the European Union into a socialist organization. In 1985-1986 an informal agreement between Moscow and left-wing parties of Europe began to develop, according to Bukovsky, a plan that would see the Soviet Union “mellow” toward a social-democratic structure, while Western Europe would adopt a socialist structure.

“Then there [would] be convergency,” said Mr. Bukovsky. “This is why the structures of the European Union were initially built with the purpose of fitting into the Soviet structure. This is why they are so similar in functioning and in structure...”

“It looks like we are living in a period of rapid, systematic and very consistent dismantlement of democracy,” Mr. Bukovsky warned.

“Today’s situation is really grim. Major political parties have been completely taken in by the new EU project. None of them really opposes it. They have become very corrupt. Who is going to defend our freedoms?”

He believes the repression of national freedom and identity he sees in EU domination of European nations will eventually lead to a backlash similar to the chaos that followed the collapse of the Soviet state.

That is a very interesting article. Mr. Bukovsky sounds as though he is close to describing multi-culturalism which is the 'convergance' of capitalism and communism, but while quite rightly describing the major role of the Soviet Union he has left out the powerful role of the United States. The United States, much like the Soviet Union, also attacks national freedom and identity, but from the vantage of radically new ideas regarding the individual (the self) rather than the Soviet Union's angle of attack regarding its radical new ideas about the collective (the group). After the catastrophe of WWII the Soviet Union occupied militarily much of Eastern Europe as did similarly the United States much of Western Europe, each country having much influence over the portion it occupied. The Marxist cultural revolution of 1968 would soften capitalism in the West. The 'collapse of communism' in 1989 and the influx of capitalism in the East would similarly soften communism/socialism there and be referred to as 'the end of the cold war'. At the start of the 21'st century both capitalists and reds had been well prepared for convergance, the focus of this being on Europe, which was the target all along.

Below is a link to an article published by a firm believer in the ideology of the 1776 American Revolution, a person who is a part of the historically powerful Belcher family. The writer states that the American and French Revolutions, the revolutions which would ultimately give rise to capitalism and communism, were intimately tied to each other and of the same origins. Like siblings separated at birth who years later find each other and re-unite, it should not be surprising that the sister ideologies of capitalism and communism are coming together once more and forming multi-culturalism. A word search of 'Jonathan Belcher, the first native born' will give a person a strong hint of the common origins of the sister democratic republics of America and France.

http://www.belcherfoundation.org/trilateral_center.htm

American and Soviet Forces Meet at Torgau - North Central Europe (1945)

[Marulus]

Originally Posted by Gladstone

The Marxist cultural revolution of 1968 would soften capitalism in the West. The 'collapse of communism' in 1989 and the influx of capitalism in the East would similarly soften communism/socialism there and be referred to as 'the end of the cold war'.

Communist countries were softned for decades by means of American mass-culture. I can assure you, since I lived in a Communist country: from my early childhood on, we watched almost exclusively American films, listened to the American music, wore American clothes. The official policy was (to a certian point) rhetorically anti-American, but in fact we were flooded with American propaganda through entertainment.

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by prometheus

Communist countries were softned for decades by means of American mass-culture. I can assure you, since I lived in a Communist country: from my early childhood on, we watched almost exclusively American films, listened to the American music, wore American clothes. The official policy was (to a certian point) rhetorically anti-American, but in fact we were flooded with American propaganda through entertainment.

The remarkable thing is how American consumer culture is blended in with all the pro-European Union junk in so many areas. Just one example can be seen watching international sporting events like the World Cup. One gets an endless stream of propaganda for Globalism mixed in with the ads and FIFA ceremonies.

[Gladstone]

Originally Posted by prometheus

Communist countries were softned for decades by means of American mass-culture. I can assure you, since I lived in a Communist country: from my early childhood on, we watched almost exclusively American films, listened to the American music, wore American clothes. The official policy was (to a certian point) rhetorically anti-American, but in fact we were flooded with American propaganda through entertainment.

Well, what I wrote was a bit simplified, 1968 and 1989 being merely very important (ie 'watershed') years of what appears to have taken place. There is of course more to it. What you say though is quite fascinating as it's almost a mirror image of what took place in the capitalistic United States, where I'm at. In the 'Cold War' we too heard official policy that was rhetorically anti-Soviet (ie anti-red), while simultaneously thru the culture receiving much red (read Marxist) propaganda. This was not in the form of products from the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, or China, but primarily by way of the universities and the large number of Marxist college professors that taught...ten thousand of such professors in the US being one estimate made during the 1980's...a number I can believe having observed a bit of this myself among some professors from a major college. Of course what these professors taught entered the culture (ie radio, books, TV, films, etc) when their students graduated and began working.

Then there were the US 'wars' against communism, such as Korea and Vietnam. I put wars in quotes as while the fighting was real enough to those on the ground doing it as wars go they weren't much of a war. For instance the idea of winning suddenly disappeared when it came to the US fighting reds, and no, I do not consider Grenada a grand victory by the US against Marxism. ;-) Besides that, the US historically fought what is known as 'total wars' such as in WWI, WWII, US Civil War, etc...these having been wars about US ideology....again hardly the case with Korea, Vietnam, and lets not forget Archangel in about 1919. One does not wish to see long lasting harm come to something one is close to and cherishes after all.

Another example might be that in the midst of the 'Cold War', when the US was supposed to be fighting Communism, US television would regularly broadcast annual celebrations of the International Brigades (ie the US Abraham Lincoln Brigade which was part of this) that fought in Spain in the 1930's. It was quite obvious at the time (the 1980's) listening to these veterans talk and looking at the film clips (and seeing the hammer and sickle in them) that these were Marxists, yet, these people were being 'celebrated' (on US government channels such as PBS no less). So, yes, the US government rhetoric did not match it's actions, the actions being (in general) rather supportive of the reds, if but slyly.

At the time of the 'Cold War' it didn't make sense, though now these things do.

[Marulus]

As in a direct continuity with what you said, we can see today supposedly very "anti-American" European lefties and Marxists. Their anti-Americanism is somehow so very American in nature. When they criticise United States, they do it from the standpoint of American ideology. A part of this anti-Americanism comes from America itself, they just copy it. It is the fake "internal opposition" to the system, which is in fact part of the system itself. Maybe it has something to do with Hegelian dialectics (thesis-antithesis-synthesis).

This confuses many people. They see those lefties protesting against, say, American war in Iraq and they think that they are genuinely anti-American. But they are not.