Europe's far-right parties to turn into a pan-European movement?

[Strengthandhonour]

Europe's far-right parties hold coalition talks

Ian Traynor
Friday December 10, 2004
The Guardian

Europe's extremist anti-immigrant parties should unite in a new pan-European movement under the leadership of the Austrian politician Jörg Haider, a leading Belgian hardliner says in an interview published today.



Filip DeWinter, the leader of the extreme Flemish separatist party in Belgium, said moves were afoot to form a cross-border, extreme right grouping in the European parliament, pooling Mr Haider's Freedom party, France's National Front, his own Vlaams Belang, the Dutch New Right party, and Italy's Northern League.

The coalition should run on a single platform in the next European elections in 2009, Mr DeWinter told the Vienna weekly magazine, News.

Mr DeWinter, the head of the renamed Vlaams Blok which was branded a racist organisation last month by Belgium's supreme court and could have been banned had it not relabelled, said he had been discussing the move with Mr Haider.

"I've had several talks with Jörg Haider and have the feeling that he's interested in this cooperation," said Mr DeWinter. "I'm proposing to Jörg Haider that he be the top candidate of our movement."

One of Mr Haider's key lieutenants, Andreas Mölzer, had a meeting in Antwerp last week with likeminded figures from Belgium, the Netherlands, France, and Italy. Mr Mölzer, an early strategist behind Mr Haider's rise in Austria, is now an MEP for Mr Haider's Freedom party. In recent years there have been repeated tentative attempts by the extreme right to link up at the European level, but they have come to very little.

mr DeWinter said forces should now be joined to combat the "Islamisation of Europe".





Mr Haider is regarded as one of Europe's shrewdest and most successful extreme right leaders, taking more than a quarter of the national vote in 1999 and taking his party into government, triggering an EU boycott of Austria.

But in recent years his fortunes have declined steeply and he has been keeping a relatively low profile as governor of the southern province of Carinthia. Eager for the lime light, the Austrian may be attracted by the European stage. Mr Mölzer said the merger of the nationalists was "a question of fate", pointing to parallel European associations of social democrats and liberals.</FONT>

[Hiser]

To me, this sounds like good news. You guys over in Europe are making great progress, while folks here in America are at a standstill. Do you think they will try to work with the NPD or the BNP?

[Cristoforo]

mr DeWinter said forces should now be joined to combat the "Islamisation of Europe".

But is this turning into a religious (cultural) war? What about non-Europeans who are Christians?

[Zyklop]

Originally Posted by Cristoforo

But is this turning into a religious (cultural) war? What about non-Europeans who are Christians?

Exactly! This fight against Islam is a fight against windmills. We have to get rid of multiculturalism per se and not just some religious nuts. Immigrant gangs, drug-dealers and organized crime are a much bigger threat than a handful of muslim extremists.

[Phlegethon]

De Winter and Vlaams Belang are pro-American and pro-Zionist while Haider not only has no longer control of the FPÖ but also approves of Turkey's admission into the EU. This is not a nationalist coalition but a coalition of capitalist right-wingers. Anyway, I don't believe for a second that the FPÖ would ever cooperate with the VB to start with. The FPÖ was a member of the Liberal International for decades.

[Perun]

Originally Posted by Cristoforo

What about non-Europeans who are Christians?

They dont concern us as Europeans.

[Cristoforo]

Originally Posted by Perun

They dont concern us as Europeans.

That's what I think too but if this alliance concentrates only on the Islamic front, it does give the impression that other immigrants would be free to enter in our countries.

[Perun]

Originally Posted by Cristoforo

That's what I think too but if this alliance concentrates only on the Islamic front, it does give the impression that other immigrants would be free to enter in our countries.

Not really. Most of Europe's immigrants are from Islamic countries, so of course we need to concentrate on that. Just like here in the states the issue concerning Hispanic immigration takes top priority because most immigration comes from Hispanic countries.

[Zyklop]

Originally Posted by Perun

Not really. Most of Europe's immigrants are from Islamic countries

Wrong.

[Awar]

Well, the Arabs in France, Turks and Kurds in Germany, Pakistanis in Britain... that's quite a sizeable number of immigrants from Islamic countries. I don't know who's more numerous?

[Phlegethon]

Technically most foreigners in Europe are from other European countries. They are simply less visible.

[Zyklop]

Originally Posted by Awar

Well, the Arabs in France, Turks and Kurds in Germany, Pakistanis in Britain... that's quite a sizeable number of immigrants from Islamic countries. I don't know who's more numerous?

If you sum up all non-muslim immigrants (Poles, Russians, Jews, Ex-Yugoslawians, Italians and "naturalized" immigrants) you surely have a couple more.

[Awar]

Well, we all know the causes for this sort of immigration.
The only way it's going to stop, and reverse is when the European countries in question achieve a normal standard of living.

I'm not justifying these immigrants, but, one cannot just 'not see' the role
of the EU countries in the poverty of eastern Europe.

The 1999. bombing which was carried out by and from EU countries caused about a million Albanians to immigrate into Kosovo ( which is a part of Serbia ), and also caused thousands of Serbs to immigrate to EU.

During the 1990's, an infusion of more than 1.000.000.000$ from Italy and Greece helped keep the Milosevic dictatorship in power ( which caused some several hundreds of thousands of Serbs to immigration ).

Not to mention the German and US involvments in the wars in ex-YU, and nowadays the destabilization of Ukraine etc. etc. etc.

It seems to me that your governments, which accept so many immigrants are also guilty of causing immigration in the first place. If you want to stop it, stop your governments' wrongdoings.

[Perun]

Originally Posted by Awar

Well, we all know the causes for this sort of immigration.
The only way it's going to stop, and reverse is when the European countries in question achieve a normal standard of living.
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It seems to me that your governments, which accept so many immigrants are also guilty of causing immigration in the first place. If you want to stop it, stop your governments' wrongdoings.

Indeed. Alain de Benoist gave a perfect commentary on that, saying that is wasnt immigrants who caused Europe's spiritual and cultural decline. They're only a very bad side effect of it. He also said those who fail to address capitalism should not complain about immigrants. Lesson to Americans, who fail to realize that corporations are the biggest drivers for immigration.

[Arktikos]

Originally Posted by Zyklop

Exactly! This fight against Islam is a fight against windmills. We have to get rid of multiculturalism per se and not just some religious nuts. Immigrant gangs, drug-dealers and organized crime are a much bigger threat than a handful of muslim extremists.

Indeed.
And multiculturalism is not in the friendliest of terms with radical islamists.

[Awar]

Originally Posted by aRktikOs

Indeed.
And multiculturalism is not in the friendliest of terms with radical islamists.

Yep, and those who impose multiculturalism are also the most responsible
for the import of Islamists.

[Arktikos]

Originally Posted by Phlegethon

De Winter and Vlaams Belang are pro-American and pro-Zionist while Haider not only has no longer control of the FPÖ but also approves of Turkey's admission into the EU. This is not a nationalist coalition but a coalition of capitalist right-wingers. Anyway, I don't believe for a second that the FPÖ would ever cooperate with the VB to start with. The FPÖ was a member of the Liberal International for decades.

Indeed. The same story, over and over again.

And it could be interesting to note that, certain "unpopular" pro-capitalist decisions can be taken by "radical capitalist right-wingers" that happen to participate in a government... and then... the "radicals" go down and the mainstream political parties come back, saying "we didn't do it! - the neonazis did!"

[Perun]

Originally Posted by Awar

Yep, and those who impose multiculturalism are also th