State Considers Anti-Internet Racism Measures

[wilpuri]

State Considers Anti-Internet Racism Measures Published 03.07.2008, 07.08 (updated 03.07.2008, 09.51) Image: YLE


The government is trying to set guidelines for clamping down on Internet racism.

The newspaper Helsingin Sanomat reports that the Council of State submitted a security report which weighed the legal options available. This includes introducing laws which would require blog hosts, for example, to remove posts with racist content. They would be responsible for monitoring the discussions on their sites.

State prosecutor Mika Illman told the daily that this more likely requires a clarification of current legislation rather than entirely new laws.

YLE, Helsingin Sanomat

Yle

Mika Illman is a menace. I have no doubt that these witch-hunts will be extended from the nutzi fringe to the legitimate nationalists.

[Lutiferre]

I am sure they will have their own definitions of racism. That will be funny.

[wilpuri]

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

I am sure they will have their own definitions of racism. That will be funny.

Just refer to this: Showtrial the Finnish way

[Menydh]

You cannot live in fear forever.

[AleksandarBG]

Internet is very good place for propaganda, because medias(TV and newspapers) are anti-nationalistic and serve to jewish interests... I can post the best site for nacional socialism ideology, but i don`t want to make spam.
But cops listen the internet and its not "security"(i can`t remember the right word) place.

[Savorgnan]

Originally Posted by wilpuri

Mika Illman is a menace. I have no doubt that these witch-hunts will be extended from the nutzi fringe to the legitimate nationalists.

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

I am sure they will have their own definitions of racism. That will be funny.

Time to switch "nationalism" for "patriotism" and/or "sovereignism"? It would be harder for the PC witchunters to take on such (not yet) undegraded words. Even apolitical "regular" people would notice that there's something wrong. Just wondering.

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by Savorgnan

Time to switch "nationalism" for "patriotism" and/or "sovereignism"?

It already includes both, but as you've said, it's degraded.

[M.R.]

It's only a matter of words anyway, most nationalists here wouldn't use that word but a simmilar word as patriot in our languages, or I should say most Slovenians. But PC always come up with an idea that in many times this patriotism is just excuse for hatred, although in general they are not against it.

Due to degeneration of the term patriot in English language by Americans, we are somehow forced on this forum to rather describe ourselves as nationalists though, as being just 'patriot' can quickly be understood as senseless state-patriotism.

[Savorgnan]

Originally Posted by M.R.

It's only a matter of words anyway, most nationalists here wouldn't use that word but a simmilar word as patriot in our languages, or I should say most Slovenians. But PC always come up with an idea that in many times this patriotism is just excuse for hatred, although in general they are not against it.

But words count. If I use the word "nationalism", I can clearly see that most of my interlocutors feel agressed. Since I have no time to spend hours with every single citizen, desintoxicating them from the stupid notion that "nationalism = nazism"... I'm afraid that we are scaring people away with this word, like lefties are also scaring people away with the word "communism". These words sound terribly "XXth century's first half".

On the other hand, I don't feel any animosity when I use the word "sovereignism". And sometimes, I can even rise the curiosity of the interlocutor, wich is what we need.

Due to degeneration of the term patriot in English language by Americans, we are somehow forced on this forum to rather describe ourselves as nationalists though, as being just 'patriot' can quickly be understood as senseless state-patriotism.

OK then, but "sovereignism" is a good term, IMO.

Since in democracy, the people is supposed to be sovereign, I wish good luck to the PC crusaders who would try to attack such a deeply-embodied notion.

[Menydh]

There is the trinity of Identity, Tradition, Sovereignty. Or Freedom.

It has to substitute the older of Patria (or Nation), Justice, Revolution. Or Reaction

[Savorgnan]

Originally Posted by Menydh

There is the trinity of Identity, Tradition, Sovereignty. Or Freedom.

It has to substitute the older of Patria (or Nation), Justice, Revolution. Or Reaction

This sounds much more XXIst century.

But "Identity, Tradition and Sovereignty" are a Reaction to what you call "the Modern World".

It's not a substition, only an attempt to pass by the pavlovian reflexes that are deeply inserted in the citizen's mind. They were taught to bark each time they hear the name of "nation".

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Savorgnan

But "Identity, Tradition and Sovereignty" are a Reaction to what you call "the Modern World".

It's not a substition, only an attempt to pass by the pavlovian reflexes that are deeply inserted in the citizen's mind. They were taught to bark each time they hear the name of "nation".

Don't be misguided. There is a revolutionary spirit in the opposition to the dictates and fashions of the modern world. A true revolutionary spirit in the reactionary of today and yesterday.

But the word revolution in the psyche of the masses is synonymous of anarchic mobbing and rioting. There is no spirit there. Only a desire to revolting, hidding behind the soulless masses.

It is also involutionary. While Tradition and Identity are evolutionary, as anything revolutionary should be. It is the will to break with a world that is rotten, and return to the essence of the individuals and of the nations as a shuttle for an authentic process of man's evolution.

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by M.R.

It's only a matter of words anyway, most nationalists here wouldn't use that word but a simmilar word as patriot in our languages, or I should say most Slovenians. But PC always come up with an idea that in many times this patriotism is just excuse for hatred, although in general they are not against it.

Due to degeneration of the term patriot in English language by Americans, we are somehow forced on this forum to rather describe ourselves as nationalists though, as being just 'patriot' can quickly be understood as senseless state-patriotism.

Language really becomes a barrier to understanding sometimes, especially when Americans get involved. The words of "liberal" and "conservative" are some of the worst victims, but so are the words "patriot" and "nationalist". To be fair, I think those words have been so misused that they will always have complex and contradictory associations.

Here are some earlier discussions on the topic:


The alleged relations between Liberalism, Market Economy, Conservatism, Nationalism

Nationalism and/or patriotism?


Here are the definitions from the Oxford Dictionary:

patriot:
a person who strongly supports his country and is prepared to defend it.

nationalism:
1. patriotic feeling often to an excessive degree
2. belief in political independence for a particular country.

[Carnyx]

Homeland and nation don't exactly refer to the same notion.

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Laocoon

Homeland and nation don't exactly refer to the same notion.

That's true, and they are both very different from the state worship that nationalism/patriotism can sometimes descend into, or can be deliberately perverted into.