Albanian terrorists occupy villages in FYROM

[Crvena zvezda]

Macedonia: Former Guerrilla Says Gunfire Drove Off Police
31 08 2007 Skopje_ A former ethnic Albanian guerrilla leader in a secession-minded Macedonian border village said Friday that fighters under his command had a short exchange of gunfire with police that ended with officers retreating from Tanusevci.

Xhezair Shakiri, who was known as Commander Hoxha during the 2001 armed conflict in Macedonia, told local media Friday that police retreated from the mountain village on the border with Kosovo he claims to control.

The 2001 fighting between the Macedonian security forces and ethnic Albanian guerillas started when the guerillas took over Tanusevci and proclaimed it as “liberated territory." The conflict ended later that year with a peace accord that gave greater rights to ethnic minorities in the country.

Police officials refused to comment on Shakiri’s claims, instead saying in a prepared statement: “The police are regularly practicing their everyday activities on the whole territory of the country.”

“We have information that around ten shots from automatic weapons have been heard from the area of Tanusevci, but we do not know who fired them,” police spokesman Ivo Kotevski told Balkan Insight.

Local A1 TV cited people claiming they witnessed a third version of events. These people said Shakiri and his armed group fired shots from grenade launchers and personal weapons into the air, and that police did not return fire.

Shakiri last week challenged the central government when he said that villagers in Tanusevci want to unite with Kosovo. He said in an interview that the Macedonian police are not welcome in the village. Shakiri also accused Macedonian authorities of disinterest in his village’s problems and of leaving the community “in the hands of destiny.”

“That is why we ask for the unification with Kosovo. Furthermore, our geographic position and family bonds tie us to that country,” Shakiri said.

Shakiri is a former deputy to the Macedonian parliament who is charged with kidnapping the former mayor of the municipality of Studenicani during the 2001 armed conflict. He refuses to face the charges and claims that he is being framed by the police.

The largest ethnic Albanian opposition party formed by the former guerrilla fighters, Democratic Union for Integration, DUI, held an emergency meeting that lasted late into Thursday night to discuss mounting friction with the police.

DUI Vice President Teuta Arifi said after the meeting that Macedonian authorities are harassing the former guerrilla fighters. For example, DUI members contend that party president Ali Ahmeti’s bodyguard was questioned and searched for illegal weapons recently.

[Crvena zvezda]

Here's an article I found on www.novosti.co.yu/code/na...007-08-30.

Quote: Mobilizacija terorista
Mladen STANÈIÆ, 30. avgust 2007

Skoplje – od stalnog dopisnika
MAKEDONSKA pogranièna sela Tanuševci, Brest, Malina Mala i Gošince na kosmetskom delu meðe sa Srbijom, naseljena iskljuèivo šiptarskim življem, od srede su pod mobilizacijom, tvrde lokalni gorštaci na Skopskoj crnoj gori.
Nasuprot poslovièno smirujuæim tonovima predstavnika vlasti u Skoplju, iz opozicije se upozorava na èinjenicu da snage bezbednosti ne kontrolišu èitavu teritoriju države. U èetvrtak su svi mediji u Skoplju objavili vest da u planinskom pojasu prema kosmetskom delu granice sa Srbijom – “sprovodi borbena mobilizacija”.
Lokalni Šiptari tvrde da æe svaki ulazak makedonskih snaga bezbednosti biti doèekan – napadom, baš kao što je vlastima u Skoplju prethodno poruèio bivši gerilac ONA Džezair Šaæiri, zvani komandant Hodža.
- Mi smo maksimalno pripremljeni i uvežbani. Žao nam je što nas je Vlada prinudila na ovako nešto, ali, pošto nije bilo spremnosti za dijalog, prinuðeni smo na ovakav korak odbrane osnovnih ljudskih prava žitelja ovih sela. Realno je sprovoðenje referenduma za otcepljenje ovih sela i pripajanja Kosovu - kaže Šaæiri, koji je bio i poslanik u makedonskom parlamentu.
Tvrdi da su "mobilisane snage" u potpunosti spremne, sa dovoljnim brojem ljudi i potrebnim naoružanjem za voðenje "uspešnog gerilskog rata".
- Mobilizacija je izvršena za samo nekoliko èasova. Nikome ne pretim, ali želim da budem ozbiljno shvaæen. Na ovom terenu biæe efikasno i brzo poražene sve jedinice koje krenu, nezavisno da li æe biti praæene tenkovima, ili helikopterima - poruèuje šiptarski komandant Hodža.
Iz sela Tanuševci, Malina Mala, Brest i Gošince, proteklih nekolikodana su evakuisana sva deca, žene i stariji seljani.

OSTAVKA ŠEFA TAJNE SLUŽBE
DIREKTOR makedonske obaveštajne Agencije Kire Naumov u èetvrtak je potvrdio da je zvanièno zatražio od šefa države Branka Crvenkovskog “da u najkraæem moguæem roku bude razrešen funkcije”.
Ostavku je Crvenkovski prihvatio.

Basically calls the armed Albanians gunmen terrorists. They've seized (mobilized the population in) 4 villages near the border with Kosovo -- Tanusevci, Brest, Malina Mala and Gosnice -- all of which are Albanian populated. Albanians in the area claim every attempt by FYROM security forces to enter was failed after attacks by Albanians, it is the realization of threats made earlier, they could plan a referendum of seccession and are ready to launch a new guerilla war.

[Superstar]

How long before Albanians start claiming all of western Macedonia? They are a pretty ridiculous race of people.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Superstar

How long before Albanians start claiming all of western Macedonia? They are a pretty ridiculous race of people.

They've already done that. I've heard from people I know in Skopje that in some Albanian areas they've already set up rival institutions like they did in Kosovo in the 90s, that they claim the west of the country as "Illirida", that their are several armed paramilitary Albanian groups in your country, their are cases like this that happen once in a while (2 yearas ago there was a village near Skopje that Albanians blocked and threatened to shell Skoplje, they were there for a few months and in the end the government gave into their demand), an Albanian that's part of the government proposed creating a union between Albania, FYROM and Kosovo, and not only that seperatists are part of the government in Skopje and the government looks the other way when it comes to Albanian seperatism.

My view is. Albanians out of Kosovo. Albanians out of southern Serbia. Albanians out of Montenegro. Albanians out of FYROM. Albanians out of Greece. Albanians out of Europe.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

My view is. Albanians out of Kosovo. Albanians out of southern Serbia. Albanians out of Montenegro. Albanians out of FYROM. Albanians out of Greece. Albanians out of Europe.

I've heared that there is plenty of room in the desert of Sahara. But it that's a problem, the oceans could be another option.

[Marcus Marulus]

They are being financed by EU funds, largely.

[Superstar]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

My view is. Albanians out of Kosovo. Albanians out of southern Serbia. Albanians out of Montenegro. Albanians out of FYROM. Albanians out of Greece. Albanians out of Europe.

As long as they stay in their own country and stop causing so many conflicts, I'd be fine with them. The problem is of course, that they can't. Nobody in Europe likes them. Well, maybe some Croats do but that's because they haven't yet demanded Croat land (that I'm aware of).

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by Superstar

As long as they stay in their own country and stop causing so many conflicts, I'd be fine with them. The problem is of course, that they can't. Nobody in Europe likes them. Well, maybe some Croats do but that's because they haven't yet demanded Croat land (that I'm aware of).

Some Croats like and respect them because they helped when it was a dark time for my people. They helped because they disliked and often hated the Serbs(the feelings were mutual), so they came, and helped us, guided with one single sentence:"The enemy of my enemy is my friend". There are, normally, Croats who are pretty much indifferent to them.
My opinion is that they are Europeans, who mostly don't cherish European culture, and who very often act like immigrants. Most Albanians who live and work here in Croatia are behaving politely and are working hard. Their number is no threat to my country, unlike to Serbia and Macedonia, because here they usually don't have many children.
But these, who live in Kosovo and Macedonia, not to mention Albania, act like well organized mafia. Their natality is high, and they take territories, one by one. Slowly and efficiently.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Monolith

Some Croats like and respect them because they helped when it was a dark time for my people.

When did they help Croatia, I can't recall that. Maybe some individual Albanians (a few of them literally) helped Croatia in the war (I thank them for that), but the great majority of Albanians were indifferent to Croatia's struggle. I remember, when first shootings in Croatia had begun in 1991, most of the Albanians who then lived in Croatia and had their pastry-shops and ice-cream shops (koljači, bakljave, sljadoljed and similar) fled back to Kosovo. Good riddance because in some small towns on the Adriatic coast, where they were in sufficient numbers, they had even started, at the end of 80ies, to demand schools in Albanian.

Originally Posted by Monolith

My opinion is that they are Europeans, who don't cherish European culture,

The situation with them is quite complicated. Part of them are Muslims (the majority). Historically those Muslim Albanians used to identify themselves with the Ottoman Empire. In the Ottoman Empire the "Muslim" was identical with "Turk". So the non-Turkish speaking Muslims also tended to be considered Turks. It was hard to tell a real Turk from an Albanian. Many of them were also bilingual.

On the other hand, you have Catholic Albanians (17%?), a minority living in the north of Albania. They were throughout centuries staunchly anti-Turkish and anti-Muslim, having traditions of clans and tribes, similar to that of Montenegrins (including certain epic poetry describing their skirmishes with Turks and skirmishes between them and mountain tribes that converted to Islam). In modern times they have established a strong national Albanian consciousness, unlike their Muslim conationals who remained true to the Ottoman Empire until its last breath.

The rest are Orthodox Albanians in the south, culturally very similar to the Greeks.

Enver Hoxha's Communist rule had tried to create national feeling, and religion, under the pretext that it divides Albanians, was banned (churches and mosques were closed down, at least only in major cities).

Many of today's Albanians feel a strong attachment to the idea of EU-NATO nowadays.

Originally Posted by Monolith

Most Albanians who live and work here in Croatia are behaving politely and are working hard.

Some of them yes, but there are many who are into heroin business, as well as into the so-called green mafia (zelena mafija), green referring to vegetables, the sale of which some of the Albanian gangs have monopolized on some markets in Croatia (beating up everyone who doesn't sell at their price, but at lower). But I heard that the latter phenomenon has been fought against successfully in the last few years.

Originally Posted by Monolith

Their number is no threat to my country, unlike to Serbia and Macedonia, because here they usually don't have many children.

Obviously, every country has specific problems of her own.

Originally Posted by Monolith

But these, who live in Kosovo and Macedonia, not to mention Albania, act like well organized mafia. Their natality is high, and they take territories, one by one. Slowly and efficiently.

They didn't take those territories through natality, but through foreign help an intervention. NATO did the military part of the job and now it's EU that is subsidizing them

[Crvena zvezda]

There are no Orthodox Albanians. There are no Orthodox populations in FYROM, Serbia, Montenegro or Greece. No Albanians are Orthodox and they never were, the only Orthodox population in Albania are Greeks in Nothern Epirus. The simple fact is that most Albanians are Muslim with a small minority of Catholics. The Muslims are horrid and procreating like rabbits, the Catholic ones mostly live abroad outside Albania and Kosovo and are decent people.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

There are no Orthodox Albanians. There are no Orthodox populations in FYROM, Serbia, Montenegro or Greece. No Albanians are Orthodox and they never were, the only Orthodox population in Albania are Greeks in Nothern Epirus. The simple fact is that most Albanians are Muslim with a small minority of Catholics. The Muslims are horrid and procreating like rabbits, the Catholic ones mostly live abroad outside Albania and Kosovo and are decent people.

Yes, there are some Orthodox Albanians, not in Kosovo, but in the southern Albania. There are both Orthodox Albanians and Orthodox Greeks there. They even have Albanian Orthodox Church. The liturgy is performed either in Albanian or in Greek, depending on the erhnic composition of the respective parish.

Albanian Orthodox Church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

No Albanians are Orthodox and they never were, the only Orthodox population in Albania are Greeks in Nothern Epirus.

I bet Skanderbeg is turning in his grave right now.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Monolith

I bet Skanderbeg is turning in his grave right now.

Skanderbeg wasn't Albnaian. And he is turning in his grave because people say he is. Skanerbeg was Greek.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Plethon

Yes, there are some Orthodox Albanians, not in Kosovo, but in the southern Albania. There are both Orthodox Albanians and Orthodox Greeks there. They even have Albanian Orthodox Church. The liturgy is performed either in Albanian or in Greek, depending on the erhnic composition of the respective parish.

Albanian Orthodox Church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are no ethnic Albanian Orthodoxes. All Orthodox inidividuals in Albania are ethnic Greeks and possibly some Aroumanians.

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

There are no ethnic Albanian Orthodoxes. All Orthodox inidividuals in Albania are ethnic Greeks and possibly some Aroumanians.

How about those in Molise, Italy?