Online video by Russian nationalists shows apparent execution of 2 nonwhite men

[Sergius]

It could be the real deal, though. I'd be careful not make too many assumptions. There are some very harsh skinheads elements in Russia, who probably are ready and willing to do such things.

[Vityaz]

Originally Posted by Ljubomir

It could be the real deal, though. I'd be careful not make too many assumptions. There are some very harsh skinheads elements in Russia, who probably are ready and willing to do such things.

True, but as Gottslav said previously, beheading aren't the Russian way. The fact that this was posted on kavkaz center seems to reinforce that this probable provocation.

Btw, skinheads wouldn't cut of someone's head with a knife like a muslim.... they like to lynch and/or gas (at least pretend to) ethnics.

[Gladstone]

Originally Posted by Carnyx

Just a word on this: except that France originally was a Monarchy of divine right, not a Democratic Republic..

Yes, that's right, organic France is not that in its origin. I ought to have clarified that with something like 'republican' or 'post 1789'.

[Gladstone]

Originally Posted by Breha

That's exactly the opposite of what he is being described as being by western media: a racist and a nationalist.

I find that very interesting as well. Depending where and who a people are, they are often being told different things, not at all necessarily in accordance with the truth.

No one would be dareing to attempt to manipulate people would they?

[Marcus Marulus]

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[Erik P]

Regardless if this is authentic or not, Neo Nazis in Russia sure seem crazy. Murdering random immigrants, glorifying anarchistic violence... It all looks like something that would happen in Rwanda rather than Europe. Repulsive.

[Strengthandhonour]

has anyone actually seen the video?

[svin]

has anyone actually seen the video?

I did. Horrible video, reminded me beheading of Russian soldiers by Chechens.

[Gottslav]

Originally Posted by Erik Puke

Regardless if this is authentic or not, Neo Nazis in Russia sure seem crazy. Murdering random immigrants, glorifying anarchistic violence... It all looks like something that would happen in Rwanda rather than Europe. Repulsive.

Extreme conditions demand extreme responses.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Well said, Gottslav.

Errigal, you are probably unaware of some moves of Putin, which are not clear at a first sight. Or even immediately beyond the first sight.

For one thing, he has been using Nationalist parties to support his coalition in the Duma, but for no other purpose than to attain total power. It is, in fact, very difficult in Russia to know if a new group or leader is what they claim to be, or if they are yet another KGB/FSB stage design. Worse, the truth can be half way between one end and the other.

That's for politics. As far as policies go, what Puting is doing is to use the nation to serve the state. He is not, as far as I know, concerned about such things as the perservation and the well-being of the nation, of the people, but he is just concerned about the strength of the state.

There are times when the circumstances allow to demand the nation to make a sacrifice in favour of a stronger state. Which ultimately goes to serve the nation in the longer term. However, the raison d'être of the state is the nation. A president and his government, a prince and his ministers, the king and the nobles, they are there to serve the people. Not the people to serve them. Or that is how it should be in the theory.

Certainly, Putin's policies are not as devastating for the Russians as the polices of the E.U. members' governments are being for their respective nations. However, this is still a lesser evil and we are yet to see the long term consequences of his policies with regards to the preservation of ethnic Russians.

I am an enthusiast of some of Russia's foreign policies, namely those geared towards a resistance to US/NATO empowerment and Globalisation. However, Russia too is following her own path towards a self-styled globalisation of which the ultimate victims will the Russian people.

In short, I do support any policy geared towards a Russia (or any other European country) free of US influence, but not at the cost of endangering the survival of ethnic Russians. Or, for that matter, at the cost of any of the nations which were any of the former Soviet Republics, be it Belarusia, Ukraine, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, or other.

I understand your enthusiasm and I share it to a large extent. But we must keep our minds cold and to be able to produce more in-depth analysis that allow us to see beyond the external layers of the façade.

don't forget some of the so-called nationalist policies Putin has put in place are meaningless. for example I heard that Putin instituted a ban on non-Russians working at farmers markets. However, if one looks at what is actually the case he banned non-Russian citizens (not non-ethnic Russians), plus considering that this is a minor crime and russian police have more serious problems, that russian police are easily bribed and that there are so many non-Russian citizens at these markets this action literally means nothing but to appease some idiotic moderate nationalists.

Futhermore, I've also heard people mention Putin as a nationalist for starting programs to increase the population. However these are terrible as they are for russians citizens and not specific to ethnic Russians who have the lowest birth rate.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Gladstone

Am sorry to hear that is the case in Russia Gottslav. Putin from your description sounds to be fully 'on board' as regarding the ideology of cheap labor/institutionalised division known as Multi-culturalism. Multi-culturalism is of course the official ideology of the British Establishment, which indeed brought that concept into being, so one would think in that regard Putin would be on good terms with the US/UK. He's not though of course, apparently his wresting of Russian economic resources from the 'oligarchs' being seen as as 'not proper' by the US and Britain, and hence their drumbeating against Putin and Russia...

Putin is a multiculutralism. He is trying to bring a new concept to russia to try to distinguish citizen of russia from ethnic russian. While this is good, the way he is doing it he doesn't weant Russia to be associated by any one in Russia as the nation state of the ethnic russians.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Breha

That's exactly the opposite of what he is being described as being by western media: a racist and a nationalist.

Possibly he is persecuting antionalist because the only nationalism to be permitted will be the FSB one.

The West is doing to putin what they did to milosevic. Milosevic came to power with western help (in fact IMF helped him achieve power) and then when it turned out that he wasn't going to be a puppet they portrayed him as a nationalist, a communist, a racist and anti-western when he in fact was anything but an opportunist who brought little benefit to his nation.

The same goes to Putin. He was initially praised by the west, when it was clear he was not a puppet to the west he became portrayed as evil. The simple favt is that Putin is Russsia's Milosevic a former communist with no ideology who refuses to be a western puppet, the only difference is Putin might be doing some good to russia (but he is doing far more harm to it).