France opts for left-right battle

[Gladstone]

We shall finally restore work. I will not let any young people without an activity.

More multi-cultural disingenuousness. This is about bringing red leaning France into 'convergance' with capitalism, just as capitalist states such as the US must be brought into convergance with socialism...to form multi-culturalism. Of course such things leave those who had actually believed in the 1776 and 1789 American and French revolutions bewildered as no one wishes to think they have been lied to. But it's best to face the truth of the matter.

Honesty really is the best policy as they say.

[Errigal]

Here is part of an interview with Bernard-Henri Levy, possibly the worst European in public life alive today.

What did you learn about Europe in America?

I learned that it's possible. When I came to the USA I was in a melancholy mood over the question of Europe. It was the time of the French debate over the European constitution, the time when even the "yes" partisans didn't dare say you had to vote "yes" because Europe was a good thing in itself, but because it was good for France. I was close to thinking that the Europe was possible just an illusion of our generation. I said to myself: "I've spent my life thinking Europe was one with history, that it will come together no matter what happens, you just have to let it be. We could all go to bed and it would form, behind our backs. But perhaps it won't form itself at all, perhaps it's undoing itself before our eyes…"

And America made you see things differently?

Yes. I saw this federation of states, this national community made up of people who speak even less the same language than the Europeans and who are faced with problems of ethnicity far more weighty than those in Europe. And I think that miracles are possible, that the inorganic nation, the inorganic social body, can be constituted. I discover that constitutional patriotism, to speak with Habermas, is not just a philosophical reverie, that it's something that works. One can create an army, maintain schools, raise taxes, etc. When you cross the country as I did, when you see how a landowner in Alabama has nothing in common with a Mexican from San Diego or a European from Savannah or Charleston, and that despite all that America has been able to constitute itself, that rekindles your hope in Europe.

What will the French elections bring for Europe?

I've no idea. I hope above all that the next president – whoever it is – will accept that the most important task is to mend the broken thread of European hope.

That's not exactly topic number one in the campaign.

François Bayrou brings it up. So does Ségolène Royal. And you know Royal is probably – if not the most European of the three major candidates - certainly the one in the best position to bring part of the forces behind the "no" into the "yes" camp. That's one good reason to vote for her. It's not the only reason, but it's a good one.

She's come out in favour of Europe?

Of course. Many times. She was a partisan of the "yes". And today that's one of the major thrusts of her campaign. So there are grounds for hope. You know, the last time I was embarrassed about my country was a couple of weeks ago, when Madame Merkel gathered together the European countries in Madrid. She chose for this meeting the French name "Amis de la constitution." Yes. "Amis de la constitution" was the name of the Jacobin club during the French Revolution. But one country wasn't there that day. And that country was France.

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[Gladstone]

Originally Posted by A Few Acres of Snow

Yes. I saw this federation of states, this national community made up of people who speak even less the same language than the Europeans and who are faced with problems of ethnicity far more weighty than those in Europe. And I think that miracles are possible, that the inorganic nation, the inorganic social body, can be constituted. I discover that constitutional patriotism, to speak with Habermas, is not just a philosophical reverie, that it's something that works. One can create an army, maintain schools, raise taxes, etc. When you cross the country as I did, when you see how a landowner in Alabama has nothing in common with a Mexican from San Diego or a European from Savannah or Charleston, and that despite all that America has been able to constitute itself, that rekindles your hope in Europe. -Bernard-Henri Levy

That is interesting. It's almost identical to what the London Times wrote in March 1848 after the many revolutions in Europe that year...italics in original.

"Let them [Europe] observe the working of federalism in America. The most complete national unity is there preserved as regards foreign nations; complete freedom of trade, complete uniformity of action in all respects essential to national life; while, at the same time, the inestimable habit of self government is created and retained, and the power of adapting local institutions to local wants exercised so fully, that no American citizen has to complain that the interests of his locality suffer by the distance or neglect of the legislative centre. The German in Pennsylvania, the Frenchmen in Louisiana, the Spaniard in Florida, had no need, when they came to participate in the advantages of the great American Union, of sacrificing one iota of the local institutions to which they were attached. So wonderfully elastic and expansive is this principle of government, that the entire American continent might, as it appears to us, be absorbed in one vast federation, with but little inconvenience or danger resulting from its extent and diversity of characteristics.

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[Arthur Gordon Pym]

Liberal democracy is basically (and not only basically) shit. What France (and other European countries) need is a nationalist revolution. The present order has to be overthrown. The so-called vote of majority is no sacrosanct thing. Vox populi is not always vox Dei.

Any swindler can, through manipulation of fears and emotions, win the majority of votes. Like Theobald said, all you need is to be "mediatised".

Maybe some French caudillo appears, who knows (even Francisco Franco overthrew the government that was "elected" and rightfully so!)

[Theobald]

Well, what I advocate is a "last chance" plan in two parts, inspired by former Communist successes and way to take power :

- first, from a political point of view, the creation of a serious and strong nationalist party, an "Union of the Patriots" with the FN, various other small nationalist movements, the MPF (De Villiers) and why not even the gaullist wing of the UMP. This party, organized like the Communist parties earlier, could probably attract about one third of the voters, if it is correctly managed. It would be a mass organization, with an elite leading it, and ideally this elite would be able to replace the current one and to lead the country.

- then, the creation of an ethnic French community ("a community of French continuity"), a network with its families, its schools, its own leagues and organizations of solidarity, its trade unions, its districts, its medias, its autodefense militias, why not even its own regions (I am particularly thinking of Eastern France, and Alsace), and of course this community would be represented by the nationalist party aforementioned.

If an ethnic war happens, and I think it will in the next 10-15 years here, this party and this community would be the spearheads of our fight. Areas managed and inhabited by members of these organizations would be our strongholds, autodefense militias would defend them and be the core of a future nationalist army, ...

Wishful thinking, probably...

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Salaün

Not a future for the masses, but for conscious people there is a place I think.

You bet. A place in a zoo surrounded by a flood of 3rd worlders. Johannesburg, Rio de Janeiro... the wealthiest living in high security sectors, sort of golden prisons, or even leaving the country (!), the poorest... well, malheur aux pauvres.

That's not a "future", that's a complete nightmare. Hmmm, but those who fancy Haïti and cité soleil, they may like it.

Enjoy! You better get used to it Frenchman!

[Errigal]

Those are the right kind of ideas Theobald. If the state will not perform its duties then new structures must be formed in order to keep the nation alive.

[Kernunnos]

Originally Posted by A Few Acres of Snow

France, like Ireland and every other European state, will only have a healthy future when the government starts filling planes and boats with load after load of migrants and return them to their home country. Even if they have to buy back citizenships they must do it. France should also say goodbye to the DOM-TOMs, in my opinion.

I guess here and possibly outside of here you are not alone with such thoughts.

[Der]

Originally Posted by Carnyx

It has no future anymore because it is now dead. And by the way, it's time for some to land, there's not even a future for Bretons or any other people in the French space. It's over unless there's an hypotetical "revival" occuring soon. That will never occur anyway, people are selfish cowards whose poor life has no higher meaning than eating and getting laid.

The riots never stopped in the banlieues. "Incidents" take place on a daily basis here and there. More than 100 cars burn each day. And people still don't understand. They won't ever understand. If they didn't after the late '05 events and the most recent Gare du Nord train station fights, why the hell would they after another dozen more riots?... They seem to be quite all right with all that shit. Perhaps they are masochists; who knows?

I won't vote in May the 5th. But better Ségolène than Sarkozy. The best thing to do now is to pray for this system fell down, and the faster the better. Time is the enemy. Forget about the ballots.

Fuck them all, bunch of losers. Vae Victis!

I agree but I think that the ballots should have been forgotten a long time ago for the obvious reasons.
I was surprised to see your reactions (yours and Theobald's) a lot of hope was placed on this election.

Democracy is biased and the stupidified masses aren’t mature enough and will never be to choose the right choice.
I like Theobald believe that the ethnic war is the only possible way, (if there is one) it is now up to the French to organize them selves as best they can.

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[Franze]

Originally Posted by Theobald

- then, the creation of an ethnic French community ("a community of French continuity"), a network with its families, its schools, its own leagues and organizations of solidarity, its trade unions, its districts, its medias, its autodefense militias, why not even its own regions (I am particularly thinking of Eastern France, and Alsace), and of course this community would be represented by the nationalist party aforementioned.

This is best point of the plan, the most difficult but the unique possibility, building another society.

[Carnyx]

Ethnic war? Nah, I don't buy it anymore. Gutless today, carpets tomorrow. That's what most of our countrymen are. There will be no revival. Instead there might be a fight between an indigenous and anti-System "force" and natives defending the System (negrophiles and the likes); in short, a civil war more than an ethnic/racial war.

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by A Few Acres of Snow

If France can survive and thrive after the First World War, the Black Death and the Wars of Religion I think it can make it through the current crisis.

You are right, though much work is to be done.

In the past allthough the population of France was divided in diffrent tendencies, religions etc, at least they shared a same national/regional identity.
But today what do you have there?
You have plenty of different communities who are completely alien to the french and even European identity and who in fact are willing to only one thing; to ruin France and what is worse is that the government uspport them under the tolerance, the "diversity richness" and "open minded" banners




PS: just for memory; this is my 1000th post

[Cirrus]

Originally Posted by Theobald

then, the creation of an ethnic French community ("a community of French continuity"), a network with its families, its schools, its own leagues and organizations of solidarity, its trade unions, its districts, its medias, its autodefense militias, why not even its own regions (I am particularly thinking of Eastern France, and Alsace), and of course this community would be represented by the nationalist party aforementioned.

Then, what do you think of the Identitaires ?

[Gladstone]

Looks like a scene straight out of hell...though a multi-culturalist would probably call it 'beautiful'.*

* Or perhaps they might call it 'a growing pain' to the super dystopia they are building.

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Gladstone

Looks like a scene straight out of hell...though a multi-culturalist would probably call it 'beautiful'.*

* Or perhaps they might call it 'a growing pain' to the super dystopia they are building.

It's not violence, it's anger against discrimination.

Originally Posted by Der

I was surprised to see your reactions (yours and Theobald's) a lot of hope was placed on this election.

There was still a chance even if tiny not to win but to access the second round at least. Now it's been an humiliation. Whatsoever, this now belongs to the past.

I had not paid attention to the video. It does suck.