Right-wing activist Ernst Zundel sentenced to 5 years for Holocaust denial

[Phlegethon]

Originally Posted by prometheus

Holocaust most certainly did not happen. But persecutions of the Jews in the second world war (including mass killings), at hands of Nazis, did happen.

Unfortunately 12 years on National Socialism cannot explain three millennia of repercussion against Jews no matter where they lived. Facing this historical fact I tend to believe that there is something about Jews which makes them unbearable in every kind of society. And the biggest haters of Jews are Jews themselves.

[Phlegethon]

Jewish human rights organization condemns Harper’s evangelical pro-Israel lobby


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Canadian government forming pro-Israel lobby

Feb 4, 2007

Canadian government forming pro-Israel lobby | Jerusalem Post

The Canadian government is establishing an "Israel
Allies Caucus" this week meant to mobilize support for
the State of Israel and promote Judeo-Christian values
amid a groundswell of Christian support for Israel
around the world.

The launching of the Canadian parliamentary lobby,
which is based on the formation of the Knesset's
"Christian Allies Caucus" three years ago, comes less
than six months after a similar lobby was established
in the US Congress.

The establishment of the new pro-Israel lobby will be
officially announced in Ottawa on Tuesday in the
presence of Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper,
Canadian and Israeli parliamentarians, including MK
Benny Elon (National Union-National Religious Party)
MK Orit Noked (Labor) and MK Ran Cohen (Meretz), as
well as members of the Canadian-Israel Friendship
League.

The event comes at a time of burgeoning relations
between Israel and the largely supportive evangelical
Christian community around the world.

"The launching of the Canadian Parliamentary Israel
Allies Caucus is a sign of things to come," said Josh
Reinstein, director of the Knesset's Christian Allies
Caucus in an interview from Canada on Sunday.

"We hope that one day every parliament and government
around the world will form a sister caucus to the
Knesset's Christian Allies Caucus which will mobilize
support for Israel around the world and promote
Judeo-Christian values."

Over the next six months, similar parliamentary
lobbies are expected to be established in the
Philippines, South Korea, Malawi, South Africa and
Finland.

The increasingly influential Israeli parliamentary
lobby, which is currently made up of 12 MKs from seven
parties across the political spectrum, has come to
epitomize Israel's newfound interest in garnering the
support of the Christian world in the 21st century,
especially the largely pro-Israel evangelical
Christian community around the world, at a time when
radical Islam is on the rise.

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

Originally Posted by Phlegethon

Unfortunately 12 years on National Socialism cannot explain three millennia of repercussion against Jews no matter where they lived. Facing this historical fact I tend to believe that there is something about Jews which makes them unbearable in every kind of society. And the biggest haters of Jews are Jews themselves.

Even Frederick II., the famous king of Prussia (18th century), who was not much of a Christian believer, most probably he was a Freemason introduced certain anti-Jewish measures.

And the bulk of anti-Jewish stereotypes originate from the pre-Christian era, from the classical Greco-Roman antiquity. There must have been a reason why Jews were never liked anywhere...

[Sergius]

Originally Posted by prometheus

There must have been a reason why Jews were never liked anywhere...

They sneak in, stick together, discriminate against gentiles, care little for others than themselves, take advantage of people and appeal to immoral selfishness in the shkutzim they do business with - so the prejudice says. Pick one. Not that I would say that, of course, but clichés tend to be rooted in the truth on one level or another.
In my opinion, breaking the bond between a people and the place where they live is dangerous (I am not going to say blood and soil ). If you're just passing by or have no connection to a given place, why care about the people who live there? Especially if you belong to the Chosen People, and those other people do not.

edit: Whatever. This turned out very sketchy. Sorry.

[M.R.]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

But the point is whether the nazis actually killed 6 million Jews (plus whatever numbers of other peoples).

That there are laws which prohibit to refute the official version of the holocaust (i.e., that it happened just as is told), should tell anyone that there is fear of exposure. If the story of the holocaust was as it is told in the official version, then there wouldn't be any fear to allow people to discuss it from different stand views.

By prosecuting people for denying the holocaust they have created a reasonable doubt about the existance of it.

Now think what the consequences would be if the story of the holocaust was proved to be a lie, part lies or an overexaggeration of the events. Since 1945 Germans have been made pay dearly for it and they have been demonised since as a people.

How would you feel if you were a German and, after being tainted as a horrible criminal for decades all of a sudden it was found out that the events were not as real as they were told?

I never said that I agree with persecution of those revizionists it doesn't matter if they're wrong or not, I just wanted to point out that I find it rather insulting when someone here in my country preaches us about holocaust and 6000000 death Jews when my country has nothing to do with it.

If I was a German, who knows what would I do, Germans have much bigger problem with immigration at the moment as my country, so I would probably think more about the present than past. IMO Germany has already passed the point of no return, there are simply just to few Germans and too many immigrants.

[Susi]

Originally Posted by Phlegethon

He does not even have to try.

And Stephane Dion - despite his different colour - is a fully equivalent idiot.

Maybe one day the BQ will overthrow the Ottawa regime and teach you all common sense and culture.

But my favourite is GILLES DUCEPPE. And what would the BQ do for all of Canada? They're a separatist party, they will just separate from Canada and leave us to the dogs..

Originally Posted by Phlegethon

Jewish human rights organization condemns Harper’s evangelical pro-Israel lobby

Why, Harper!? WHYYY!?

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

So, it seems, with Harper as prime minister, Canada goes kosher?

[Susi]

Originally Posted by prometheus

So, it seems, with Harper as prime minister, Canada goes kosher?

Does anyone want to help in my coup?

[Phlegethon]

Minors are not allowed to putsch as they have to be home at 10 p.m. and in bed with their teeth brushed at 10:30.

[Susi]

Putsch?

And in a little more than half a year I won't be a minor anymore. SO THERE.

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

Originally Posted by Susi

Putsch?

And in a little more than half a year I won't be a minor anymore. SO THERE.

May I be the treasurer of the revolutioray cell you are building up?

[Caesar Princeps]

Any need for a poet/ideologue/minister of education/historian?

[Susi]

Originally Posted by prometheus

May I be the treasurer of the revolutioray cell you are building up?

If you steal anything, you get castrated, but sure.

Originally Posted by Caesar Princeps

Any need for a poet/ideologue/minister of education/historian?

Sure, why not. But I get to read over before you publish

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

Originally Posted by Susi

If you steal anything, you get castrated, but sure.

That's impossible....

[Susi]

Originally Posted by prometheus

That's impossible....

How? Do you already have nothing... er.. down there?