Vicar Sets Himself Alight to Protest Islamization of Europe

[Aptrgangr]

Vicar Sets Himself Alight to Protest Islamization of Europe

From the desk of Paul Belien on Thu, 2006-11-02 02:58
On Tuesday a Lutheran vicar set himself alight in the German town of Erfurt. The 73 year old Roland Weisselberg poured gasoline over himself and set fire to himself in the Erfurt monastery, where Martin Luther took his monastic vows in 1505. Bystanders rushed to extinguish the flames. The man later died of his injuries.
In a farewell letter to his wife the vicar wrote that he was setting himself on fire to warn against the danger of the Islamization of Europe. During the past four years the vicar had frequently expressed his concern about the expansion of Islam, urging the Lutheran Church to take this issue seriously. As the fire started the vicar cried: “Jesus and Oskar!” Oskar Brüsewitz was a 47-year old German vicar who died after setting himself on fire 30 years ago, on 18 August 1976, in the market square of the German town of Zeitz in protest against the Communist regime in East Germany. Both Erfurt and Zeitz are situated in the former East German province of Saxony.
Axel Noack, the Lutheran Bishop of Saxony, said he is shocked by the tragic event in Erfurt. Bishop Noack emphasized that the motive for the suicide complicates matters. He said he hopes that the affair and the question of how Christians should relate to Muslims will not lead to unrest. The Bishop emphasized that Christians reject a culture war. “Fear of other cultures is the result of our own insecurity,” he said, adding that since there are not many Muslims in what was once East Germany, there is not much of a debate about Islam there.
Last Saturday Mama Galledou, a 26-year old Senegalese medical student, suffered severe burns in an arson attack by Muslim thugs, a.k.a. “youths,” on a public transport bus in the French city of Marseille. Muslim thugs have torched eight buses in France during the past days. They hijack the vehicles and empty jerrycans of gasoline into them. Sometimes they allow the passengers to get off first, sometimes they do not.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1625



In a TV discussion lately the highest Cardinal in Germany, Lehmann reported everytime he passes by a Muslim owned kebap shop near his cathedral the owner makes with his fingers the sign to slit his throat. The Cardinal found there is yet much to discuss for mutual cultural understanding.
Some here still dream of an e.g. 16th century Christianity, especially the Catholic fraction, the old and great Spain etc. Sad fact is Christianity no longer has fighting spirit - some Christians without a doubt - but happening like I posted make me wonder why someone should not bash Christianity since it is the spearhead of decadence and racemixing.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Aptrganga

Some here still dream of an e.g. 16th century Christianity, especially the Catholic fraction, the old and great Spain etc. Sad fact is Christianity no longer has fighting spirit - some Christians without a doubt - but happening like I posted make me wonder why someone should not bash Christianity since it is the spearhead of decadence and racemixing.

I don't know which Christians you know. Maybe you are confusing Calvinists with Christians?

I'll be brutally honest here. Through time I have observed that self-appointed [neo-]paganists' fighting spirit (or, in this case, you could substitute the word paganists with nazis without any loss to the meaning in context) have a psychological behaviour which is characterized by two phases.

On a first phase --let us call it the lunar phase--, they rave all around (save exceptions, in the internet as they are above all and almost exclusively internet warriors), arsoning, flaming, threatening, and bashing with their sacred weapon the keyboard.

On a second phase --which we will call the solar phase--, they crumble down into pieces and beg people to understand that we are all on a same boat.

The lunar phase is the result of an abstraction from real life which is attained through hiding in a dark room behind a computer. The solar phase comes when they come out of their dark world of delusions and the light of the day strikes on their faces with the crude reality.

This in psychiatry would be called a depressive maniac. They have cycles of euphoria followed by cycles of depression. It is during one of these cyclical depressions that one day they finally crack down and never come back out in the light.


In contrast, I see Christians with a strenght to overcome adversity like you wouldn't believe it. Or like you wouldn't want to believe. Physically they may look weak to you. Yet their moral strength is unbreakable. This is the strength given by a faith, a spirituality.

It seems to me that your comment is in high contradiction with an article that you posted recently. Let me quote the relevant part of it:

“Just at the most basic level of demography the secular-humanist option is not working.” But there is more to it than the fact that non-religious people tend not to have as many children as religious people, because many of them prefer to “enjoy” freedom rather than renounce it for the sake of children. Secularists, it seems to me, are also less keen on fighting. Since they do not believe in an afterlife, this life is the only thing they have to lose. Hence they will rather accept submission than fight. Like the German feminist Broder referred to, they prefer to be raped than to resist.

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But fine. You want to bash Christians? I suppose that you are in your legal right to do so. Legal but not ethic or moral.

As for me, eventhough I am Agnostic in my beliefs and Christian in my spirituality, my parents are Christian, my grandparents were Christian, my greatgrandparents were Christian and so on until memory reaches or family history goes.

Tell me, why should I want to find a common cause with people who bash the heritage left to me by my ancestors? Worse, it is not only my heritage but in many cases it is also theirs. Why would I want to be related in any way to people who spit on the graves of their forefathers?

Also, but secondary in importance to the above (though probably primary for many), are you telling me that people in your country are going to cheer the bashers of their Christian heritage? The names of the offenders maybe Mohamed, Mustafa, ... or Hans or Otto. How much of a difference do you think that makes?

By the way,

Nothing is more able to bring together disparate elements than working together on a common cause.

—Otto von Bismarck

That a German said it, it doesn't mean that it is true for others.


p.s. do some memory as to the origins of multiculturalism (liberalism, freemasonry, atheist socialism), look at the "degree of christianity" in the countries where it started, and then explain to me how Christian is the spearhead of decadence and racemixing.

By the way, Catholic Spain only entered the group of the multiculturalists after it joined the [masonic in origins] EU and spiritualism (Christianism in the case of Spain) was substituted by materialism (liberalism) in the core of the society and in the hearts of the people.


Still, a worthy discussion if taken beyond the simple early statements.

[M.R.]

'Bashing Christianity' here in my country is something that is typical for communists or other anti-nationalists, but not for nationalist or patriot. Of course, you have some hardcore pagan NS, but no one takes them and their over-simplified anti-Christianity seriously. Anti-Christianity would put me on the same side with Muslims, communists, multiculturalists etc.

My ancestry is all-Christian, therefore Catholicism is the symbol of my blood and my culture, bashing Christianity is bashing my heritage and ancestry as well as all the famous Slovenian heroes of the past, who were 'defenders of Christian faith'. Also, many of early Slovenian nationalists were Catholic priests.

[Aptrgangr]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I don't know which Christians you know. Maybe you are confusing Calvinists with Christians?

Why out off all should I acknowledge Calvinism not as Christianity resp. one fraction of it? No, I was not referring to Calvinism in particular since Catholicism is far from being less negrophilic.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I'll be brutally honest here. Through time I have observed that self-appointed [neo-]paganists' fighting spirit (or, in this case, you could substitute the word paganists with nazis without any loss to the meaning in context) have a psychological behaviour which is characterized by two phases.

On a first phase --let us call it the lunar phase--, they rave all around (save exceptions, in the internet as they are above all and almost exclusively internet warriors), arsoning, flaming, threatening, and bashing with their sacred weapon the keyboard.

On a second phase --which we will call the solar phase--, they crumble down into pieces and beg people to understand that we are all on a same boat.

The lunar phase is the result of an abstraction from real life which is attained through hiding in a dark room behind a computer. The solar phase comes when they come out of their dark world of delusions and the light of the day strikes on their faces with the crude reality.

This in psychiatry would be called a depressive maniac. They have cycles of euphoria followed by cycles of depression. It is during one of these cyclical depressions that one day they finally crack down and never come back out in the light.

Paganism resp. neo-pagamism is nothing more but another artificial faith system. Wearing T-shirts with "Odin instead of Jesus" prints does not make someone pagan or what else...

Originally Posted by Mynydd

In contrast, I see Christians with a strenght to overcome adversity like you wouldn't believe it. Or like you wouldn't want to believe. Physically they may look weak to you. Yet their moral strength is unbreakable. This is the strength given by a faith, a spirituality.

I can't follow you line of argumentation. Christianity will overcome itself when it continues to act like it currently does. Soon enough it will be an all-negroe faith anyway.
When I think about Christianity anything but moral strength and the will to self defend comes into my mind.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

It seems to me that your comment is in high contradiction with an article that you posted recently. Let me quote the relevant part of it:
But fine. You want to bash Christians? I suppose that you are in your legal right to do so. Legal but not ethic or moral.

Bashing Christianity - me? No - I do not have the time to bash something what does not play any role anymore anyway. The pope is nothing more than a popstar, people scream and celebrate him, when he goes another popstar is celebrated.
For me it is not clear what makes you think what statement qualifies my post as "Christianity bashing".

Originally Posted by Mynydd

As for me, eventhough I am Agnostic in my beliefs and Christian in my spirituality, my parents are Christian, my grandparents were Christian, my greatgrandparents were Christian and so on until memory reaches or family history goes.

What do you think my parents, grand-parents are /were? "Pagans"?

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Tell me, why should I want to find a common cause with people who bash the heritage left to me by my ancestors?

I am "bashing" my heritage as well when you wish to see it this way. The difference is my great...grandfathers fought with swords and morningstars against Turkish hordes, today Christians bow their head in shame and try the best to serve foreigners their wishes.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Worse, it is not only my heritage but in many cases it is also theirs. Why would I want to be related in any way to people who spit on the graves of their forefathers?

Well - do not blame me, blame Christians. They spit on their whole heritage. Only a very small number of Christians reminds what once was their heritage. But they are about 1% I presume.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Also, but secondary in importance to the above (though probably primary for many), are you telling me that people in your country are going to cheer the bashers of their Christian heritage? The names of the offenders maybe Mohamed, Mustafa, ... or Hans or Otto. How much of a difference do you think that makes?

In fact Christians in my coutry seem to be masochists - the more Muslims bash on them the more devote they appear. "Love your enemy"

Originally Posted by Mynydd

By the way,

That a German said it, it doesn't mean that it is true for others.

Truth is truth.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

p.s. do some memory as to the origins of multiculturalism (liberalism, freemasonry, atheist socialism), look at the "degree of christianity" in the countries where it started, and then explain to me how Christian is the spearhead of decadence and racemixing.

You need a talk with Christians it seems. The word "multiculturalism" was invented by a Catholic. (Heiner Geißler)
Either you fail to understand or you do not undertsnd: I was not referring to medevial Christianity when I was stating Christianity was the spearhead of multiculturalism and racemixing but to today's Christianity.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

By the way, Catholic Spain only entered the group of the multiculturalists after it joined the [masonic in origins] EU and spiritualism (Christianism in the case of Spain) was substituted by materialism (liberalism) in the core of the society and in the hearts of the people.

Catholic Spain now allows abortin etc. like northern/central European states. Like I said - you are dreaming of a past century.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Still, a worthy discussion if taken beyond the simple early statements.

Indeed - I still deny having bashed Christianity - I just was analyzing happenings.

Originally Posted by Franjo Malgaj

'Bashing Christianity' here in my country is something that is typical for communists or other anti-nationalists, but not for nationalist or patriot.

It seems any sort of criticism is counted as "bashing" here. It is very true all-sorts of leftists seriously bashed Christians since those were known as anti-multiculturalism and their conservatism. But today Christians of all fracions support multiculturalism. There are only a few anti-multiculturalistic Christians.

Originally Posted by Franjo Malgaj

Of course, you have some hardcore pagan NS, but no one takes them and their over-simplified anti-Christianity seriously. Anti-Christianity would put me on the same side with Muslims, communists, multiculturalists etc.

NS is originally a Catholic petit-bourgeouis movement - most "pagan" NS are finaglers anyway because Germanic style of life has little to do with that sort of collectivism.

Originally Posted by Franjo Malgaj

My ancestry is all-Christian, therefore Catholicism is the symbol of my blood and my culture, bashing Christianity is bashing my heritage and ancestry as well as all the famous Slovenian heroes of the past, who were 'defenders of Christian faith'. Also, many of early Slovenian nationalists were Catholic priests.

I am pragmatic - in fact I am happy to see a few Christians that are non-multiculturalists around here.

[M.R.]

Originally Posted by Aptrganga

It seems any sort of criticism is counted as "bashing" here.

You said,

but happening like I posted make me wonder why someone should not bash Christianity since it is the spearhead of decadence and racemixing.

But today Christians of all fracions support multiculturalism. There are only a few anti-multiculturalistic Christians.

Not really, in my country, Christian is more likely to be anti-multiculturalist than non-Christian. I think that all pro-Christian political parties here are also anti-multicultural.

Regards

[Aptrgangr]

Originally Posted by Franjo Malgaj

You said,

but happening like I posted make me wonder why someone should not bash Christianity since it is the spearhead of decadence and racemixing.

Overhere Christianity is the synonyme for multiculturalism - not only one fraction like Catholicism or Protestantism. The Catholic "pro-life" movement in fact is a pro-abortion movement, the Catholic left is strong anyway. When the state decides to deport some immigrants that were not given further permission to stay here churches give them church asylum so police can not deport them - and I can assure you this state is anything but busy with any deportions anyway. It's the Christians that bring in large numbers of negroes - e.g. as students and priests.
The leaflets that are handed out by Christians - be they Lutherans, Catholics or Jehova's Witnesses - all of them make advertising for racemixing.
All Christian organizations declared unanimously they do not want a "clash of cultures" - with other words: they surrender.

Originally Posted by Franjo Malgaj

Not really, in my country, Christian is more likely to be anti-multiculturalist than non-Christian. I think that all pro-Christian political parties here are also anti-multicultural.

Regards

Resistance against communist atheism was carried out by Christians - I am aware situation differs in your country. Here the CDU (Christian Democratic Union) is a traitorous party even more responsible for mass immigration than the more left Social Democrats.

[svin]

Are CDU Catholic or Protestants?

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Aptrganga

[/i]Overhere Christianity is the synonyme for multiculturalism - not only one fraction like Catholicism or Protestantism. The Catholic "pro-life" movement in fact is a pro-abortion movement

You will have to explain that. Abortion is condemned by the Church.

the Catholic left is strong anyway.

Leftists are more likely to be Atheists than Catholics. It is a fact that Christianism has been persecuted by the left (e.g. in Spain in the prelude to the Spanish Civil War, including the burnings of convents, churches, execution of priests and nuns, executions of Catholics) and is still today being persecuted by the left (again, in Spain today).

You are not being rational in your statements.

When the state decides to deport some immigrants that were not given further permission to stay here churches give them church asylum so police can not deport them - and I can assure you this state is anything but busy with any deportions anyway. It's the Christians that bring in large numbers of negroes - e.g. as students and priests.

How are you supposed to fight something when you ignore it so much?

Those immigrants have been imported as a means to obtain cheap labour. Blame it on the Liberal system which, incidentally, has been a source of anti-Christianism since ever.

And, while it is true that there are Christians who may help immigrants, it is also true that there are non Christians who do it too and Christians who oppose to it. What --in your country-- those Christians and non Christians who help the immigrants have in common is that they are all Germans.

So, following your own logics, we must come to the conclusion that bringing immigrants is in the nature of the Germans and we must set on a campaign against the Germans, for being the racemixers that they are.

And now, let us return to the real world if only for a few seconds.

On second thoughts, forget about it. You wouldn't like what I was going to write.

We can make a deal. You --and those who think like you-- can continue with your jihad against Christianism while me --and those who think like me-- continue with our struggle against the destruction of Europe, its peoples and their values.

The leaflets that are handed out by Christians - be they Lutherans, Catholics or Jehova's Witnesses - all of them make advertising for racemixing.
All Christian organizations declared unanimously they do not want a "clash of cultures" - with other words: they surrender.

Let me see.. Over here the most popular radio station is COPE (COnferencia EPiscopal Española, i.e. the Spanish bishops). Their everyday critiques against the immigration policies of the government are so harsh, that the [leftist] government have gone to great lengths to try to tap them. By the way, those pro-multiculturalist leftists are unsurprisingly Atheists. Their critiques to Islam are fierce.

So I have to wonder, again, if it is not something German instead of Christian.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by svin

Are CDU Catholic or Protestants?

Christian Democracy was born as a sequel to Pope Leo's XII encyclical Rerum Novarum, which saw the need for a social action by sectors of the Christian Conservatives. But in Germany there are Catholics and Protestants alike. I believe that the current German Chancellor and President of the CDU, Angela Merkel, is the daughter of a Protestant vicar.

But since Concilium Vatican II it has gone astray like the Church hierarchy and institutions themselves.

[Aptrgangr]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

You will have to explain that. Abortion is condemned by the Church.

Those Christians have to explain it - not me. I am well aware what is condemned - it is them not caring about what the pope said but still they welcome him in Cologne etc.
I can remeber the morning after the pope's speech not to use contraceptives the meadows were full of exact these items. And the youth was of international origin...

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Leftists are more likely to be Atheists than Catholics.

Many Catholics in fact are leftists overhere. Get used to it.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

It is a fact that Christianism has been persecuted by the left (e.g. in Spain in the prelude to the Spanish Civil War, including the burnings of convents, churches, execution of priests and nuns, executions of Catholics) and is still today being persecuted by the left (again, in Spain today).

I do not deny the fact leftists persecuted Catholics in particular. But this does not change the fact many Catholics support leftist ideas since they oppose clerical-fascism which for them is too strong related to the authoritaire form of governing.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

You are not being rational in your statements.

And it is you deciding what is rationality?
I was talking about the Catholics here. Maybe it is in Spain Catholic girls and boys being less liberal than Protestants etc. but not here.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

How are you supposed to fight something when you ignore it so much?

Me fighting? It is you being allergic against any sort of criticism it seems - I haven't a clue what makes you think I fight Christianity this much.
My opinion is someone can have the wrong faith as long as he has the right political opinion.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Those immigrants have been imported as a means to obtain cheap labour. Blame it on the Liberal system which, incidentally, has been a source of anti-Christianism since ever.

First of all most of the high bosses are Christians and mostly CDU suppporters, second it is a myth immigrants were imported to work here. Most never had a permission to access German labour market - they are asylants living from benefits.
Churches here are part of Liberalism.
I can not decide whether it is Christian spirituality or not - but they justify their actions with the Bible and speeches of Jesus.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

And, while it is true that there are Christians who may help immigrants, it is also true that there are non Christians who do it too and Christians who oppose to it. What --in your country-- those Christians and non Christians who help the immigrants have in common is that they are all Germans.

Interesting argumentation. Those who opened an abortion hospital in Madrid exclusively for Portugese with Portugese speaking personell are Spanish. Now makes it sense to blame Spanish as such for murdering Portugese babies or makes it sense to consider those who do it - be they Christian or not - as traitors?

Originally Posted by Mynydd

So, following your own logics, we must come to the conclusion that bringing immigrants is in the nature of the Germans and we must set on a campaign against the Germans, for being the racemixers that they are.

And, of course, Spain is not praised here for having very liberal immigration laws. Perhaps we should support more the tunnel of Gibraltar...hoping you gredy Spaniards keep not all Moroccans for yourself.
In fact you and some other brave Christians struggling against multiculturalism does not make Christianity as such anti-multiculturalistic.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

And now, let us return to the real world if only for a few seconds.

Allright - but it is you living in the world of the Grand Armada. Times have changed, what once has been right now is wrong, what once was otlawed as sin is current law.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

On second thoughts, forget about it. You wouldn't like what I was going to write.

Write what you wish.
I do not keep my opinion for myself - sometimes I think you purpoesfully get me wrong.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

We can make a deal. You --and those who think like you-- can continue with your jihad against Christianism while me --and those who think like me-- continue with our struggle against the destruction of Europe, its peoples and their values.

I am not in a jihad against Christianity - even if I wanted so I would spare myself the time and sweat and sit idle watching how it destroys itself. I never criticized nationalist Christians in this thread - but leftist Christians. The original matter is a Protestant vicar burning himself because of his desparation his own faith allows Islamization.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Let me see.. Over here the most popular radio station is COPE (COnferencia EPiscopal Española, i.e. the Spanish bishops). Their everyday critiques against the immigration policies of the government are so harsh, that the [leftist] government have gone to great lengths to try to tap them. By the way, those pro-multiculturalist leftists are unsurprisingly Atheists. Their critiques to Islam are fierce.

Let me see - the last (Catholic) Christian info portal that was against immigration seized to exist here. By the way - those urging to import all the brownies from all around the eath are both - atheists and Christians, no surprise since many Christians, most in fact overhere are leftists. So situation differs between Central/Northern Europe and Iberian countries in that matter it seems. But the effect is the same: all countries are in deep struggle.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

So I have to wonder, again, if it is not something German instead of Christian.

When it is in Germany it is something German. The German disease - to be found elsewhere in Central/Northern Europe. But since the old churches - the Christians - actively deny their heritage, their partipication in old struggle of Europe to preserve it - but day after day pray for peace, tolerance and an interlink between all races it is also a Christian problem.

Originally Posted by sv