Vicar Sets Himself Alight to Protest Islamization of Europe

[Aptrgangr]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

What you fail to see here is that the myths are most unimportant. One thing we don't lack of in modern society is myths. There are far too many and the degree to which they are "interesting" varies from one to the next.

Why are myths unimportant? I think it is almost impossible to assess Christianity without the myths.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

What the society lacks though is of the strength of spiritual beliefs. And notice that I use the plural here to refer not just to Christianity (which to me has the absolute meaning of Christendom).

I do not know what you undertand with Christianity.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

If you believe that you are going to attain some success in your goals by selling a set of limited views based merely on materialist concepts of the nation, be warned that your opponents are professional marketing sellers.

..well, I do not want to sell a set of limited views. Everyone himeself must know what is right.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

So, once again, I am not concerned with the myths be them interesting or uninteresting. But you are free to choose which wall you want to bump your head against.

Then tell world what in your opinion makes Christianity a benefit for nationalists.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Since when the so-called Christian, American sects, have any relation to what is/was Christendom?

Christianity as such is a sect, no matter overhere, overthere or in Africa.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Explain to me how a country with such a small demography could keep his hegemony in Europe and at the same time explore and conquer a vast continent and maintain this situation during centuries with only the sword.

I would explain it myself now, but I prefer to let it to you as an excercise. There were three elements involved. One was the sword and the administration. Explain the other two.

Catholic Christian Faith.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

There we differ. But if you don't have at least the feeling that you have a soul or, better said, that you are a creation superior to an animal, it could be the case that you don't feel it because you don't have it.

I do not waste my time to think about which animal I am superiour in compare.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Like I've said on other occasions, I don't agree with Christian opposition to the idea that humans come from apes and that we all come from God. Some come from God. Others, obviously, from the apes.
But this is not a scientific belief. It is a spiritual statement belief. I hope that you can see the difference.

As far as I understood apes come from god as well...

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Most of those who you point as "government christians" are in fact Atheists with a myth. They are not much different to Atheists with other myths or without them.

Why should an atheist pretend to be a Christian? This does not make sense.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

As for fancy dressing, if you believe that someone for being an Atheist is not going to dress like a Congolese at any given time and even accompanied by his/her real Congolese partner to match with the dressing code, you are not living in this world or you pretend that you do not.

Fact remains people doing this are mor of the "Jesus is love" sort...

Originally Posted by Mynydd

For me Atheists in general are of no interest. I only get interested in a negative way when their agenda includes a visible hostility to what my heritage and my spirituality is.

I would read a post that explains Christian spirituality with interest.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Am I right to believe that they are Americans? Please, before you point to something which you would like it to be evidence of anything, make sure that you don't mistake conceptions first.

Let us see if you can draw a clear conclusion on Atheism and Multiculturalism. Take your time:
http://www.middleastwomen.org/html/5thAtheist.htm
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...54/ai_86056680


Europe's fall is not something that has happened overnight. We are living in the days which started to be cooked long time ago. Incidentally, it coincides with a fall in spirituality, in values. When you strip off a people from them, the rest is easy. This is evident.

Interesting indeed. But you make it to easy - you just say those Christians you do not like to agree with are atheists and cause all this trouble.

Your other posts are interesting but I won't comment now since there never will be an agreement.
Freemasons are no atheists - in fact atheists can not become freemasons since they must accept the "Great Constructor" and at least one holy book. Just for information - not that I would care about them...

[Agrippa]

Just one thing to add by me for better understanding:

In German speaking countries its not about what the Christian churches were, but what they are. Actually Martin Luther would go mad if you would transfer him to our times and showing him what the "Lutheran Church", which refects a lot of what he said during his life, has become.

Catholics are, in their majority and higher ranks at least, today rather "left-Catholics" ("Linkskatholiken") in many parts of Germany. Thats all the result of the trauma of the 2nd world war and the re-eduction to a large degree, with the rest being the result of a new "interpretation" of the bible. There is no "absolute demand" for Christian values and believing almost nowhere, with the exception of some old, very conservative country people and fanatics.

Spain is in my opinion in many ways different from most parts of Germany in that, to a certain degee and one could speak of a "delay" if its about the development of the churches in many parts of Europe.

But illegal "asylum seekers" and other foreigners finding refuge in Churches is nothing which is typical only for Germany. The Christian religion is a univeral one, so every human, even if being retarded to braindead or of a totally different kind, can be accepted as having a "human soul and dignity" without distinction.

Christianity can be a two edged sword in many ways, and yes, there are many forms of "Christianity" and many possible interpretations. However, I doubt that Christianity in this or that form will be really helpful for the European struggle for survival. Individuals might be, Christians might be too, but finally not because of their Christian believes, but rather certain additional aspects of their "weltanschauung". One can be Christian and racialist I'd say, but finally the latter determines how useful such a person will be "for the cause". So I dont care for what one is believing as long as it gives him or her strength in the daily or greater fights for the own and collective survival without taking away all rationality if analysing the material world.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

Why are myths unimportant? I think it is almost impossible to assess Christianity without the myths.

So, according to you a religion does not attempt to explain anything on the vital questions of the existance of the humans but it only tells a tale. Interesting.

I do not know what you undertand with Christianity.

That is pretty obvious.

Since ancient times man has been asking himself what is the whole purpose of his being, other than walk on the face of earth, feed himself when he is hungry and one day vanish.

The ancestors of modern Europeans asked themselves these questions and through the ages developed answers them. From the early times until today this ancient and spiritual knowledge of the existance of mankind has accompanied man, it has modelled him and it has evolved together with him.

From ancient palaeo-european beliefs, through indo-european to christian. It is a spiritual heritage and evolution deposited there.

Any other considerations apart, the Christian spirit of Europe has been crushed at large. This resulting loss of the spiritual element of the Europeans has been substituted by a materialist view of the world. As a consequence --and here I believe that I answer to Agrippa's comment too--, people no longer care for ideals which are not in the realm of the material. If a culture, a group, a nation, a values are being destroyed through materialism, this is of little concern to people because it bears no relation to the next luxury which they are going to be able to afford next. Having children to preserve all of this is also irrelevant to them because that is something that is considered in terms of costs.

At most, what can make people react is if this phenomenon affects them directly. V.g. if they lose their job to an immigrant or other possible outcomes. But those who may lose their jobs are not going to find any support from their fellow countrymen, because that doesn't affect them since they are keeping theirs.

[Agrippa]

If a culture, a group, a nation, a values are being destroyed through materialism, this is of little concern to people because it bears no relation to the next luxury which they are going to be able to afford next. Having children to preserve all of this is also irrelevant to them because that is something that is considered in terms of costs.

Thats the result of Individualisation and Hedomatism (Hedonistic Materialism) rather than sheer Materialism (!).

I spoke on various occasions about individual and collective rationality - finally their individual longer term interests won't meet the currenct developments and system neither, the problem with those people is that they lack a longer term perspective and miss the big picture. So its their short sighted and manipulated pseudo-individualistic view on things which brought up such results, not the absense of spirituality alone.

F.e. Communists were materialists too, but looked at things in a very different way than those youngsters. I dont say "political materialism in society" is good, I just dont accept arguments for real policy other than rational, which means backed by facts or at least probabilities, policies. If some people need a standard religion with superficial myths produced for the masses for being political idealists, they are retarded and lack some basic qualification for any higher position in society and of course, if I speak about negative personality traits, to dont think about longer term consequences going beyond oneself and having no political idealism in life at all, not even "a small fire", not even the potential for developing it if the environmental influences would be very different, we are speaking of negative personality variants.

That can be as bad as someone who lacks intelligence or even worse, because you have a unscrupulous intelligent sociopath then working against those which have more values than Hedomatism and power alone. This is a job for education, social and Eugenic measures as are many things in this human world...

[Whiteruthenian]

Not church makes believers but believers make church. Church is only a reflection of any society. The Bible has lots of pages and everybody can find there what they want. If they want to find there support for their monarchist, liberal, multiculturalist, fascist ideas, they’ll find it, I assure you. Another question is WHAT they try to find.

Atheism and materialism are not a good ground for nationalism, because nation is a spiritual concept, not just sum of living being. Any kind of particularism (democratism, liberalism, anarchism etc.) agree with the concept of nation as that sum and all those ideologies are antinationalist.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I personally view the Eastern Orthodox Church with envy in that, in theory, not being dependent of a centralized power, there is not one unitarian head that can be chopped off. Also, in theory, it is more ethnic-based. But this is in theory and I am overall ignorant of the ins and outs of the Eastern Orthodox Church.

Not only in theory. Look at the Russian church – it is totally pro nationalist. I would say it is a rule for all Orthodox churches – it’s very logical that they, especially being autonomous very easy became almost national believes, becoming parts of the societies they live in. Good examples are Ethiopian Orthodox Church, Russian Orthodox Church (especially before modernization and following schism) etc. It’s a proof of what I said above.

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

Catholic church lack of young priests here so they import negroes from Africa doing the job.

Do you mind? There is no use worrying about racial mixing in this case, right?

[Whiteruthenian]

I’ve just remembered an interesting fact which is suitable for illustration – in Western Ukraine Catholic and Orthodox priests consecrated knifes for nationalist partisans. These used those consecrated knifes to kill… Don’t know whom they used to kill, enemies of the Ukrainian nation probably?

Mmm… “Consecrated knife”, sounds cool, huh? I would like to have one.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Whiteruthenian

Not church makes believers but believers make church. Church is only a reflection of any society. The Bible has lots of pages and everybody can find there what they want.

In a more simple, clear and summarized way, it is what I have been arguing all along.

Atheism and materialism are not a good ground for nationalism, because nation is a spiritual concept, not just sum of living being. Any kind of particularism (democratism, liberalism, anarchism etc.) agree with the concept of nation as that sum and all those ideologies are antinationalist.Not only in theory. Look at the Russian church – it is totally pro nationalist.

Connected to the above said, one must also add that when the church abandons her People to follow a Universalist (masonic) doctrine and agenda, the church stops being the depositary of the spirituality of that people and she is in turn abandoned by them. This has happened in the Western Catholic Church.

The problem derived from this is that for a time people lack of a spiritual depositary and guidance other than the one provided by the memory of their heritage.

Originally Posted by Whiteruthenian

I’ve just remembered an interesting fact which is suitable for illustration – in Western Ukraine Catholic and Orthodox priests consecrated knifes for nationalist partisans. These used those consecrated knifes to kill… Don’t know whom they used to kill, enemies of the Ukrainian nation probably?

Mmm… “Consecrated knife”, sounds cool, huh? I would like to have one.

In Middle Ages Spain bishops would ride in front of armies with the cross on the one hand and the sword on the other. The images (icons, a much pagan thing) of Sant Jordi or Santiago slayering a Moor here are in many small towns and villages here. Just the other day a friend was telling me how in his village people who never attend the mass nor care much about religion, would go crazy if anyone dared tell them to remove the chopped off head of the Moor from the symbol. To them, it has been there for as long as their memory reaches (including through the spoken word passed on through generations) and it is much part of the IDENTITY.

But you don't need to go as far back as the Middle Ages. I remember well a Traditionalist priest who used to walk around dressed on his soutane and approach anyone begging for charity at the doors of any church. He would then offer them a job and give them an appointment. As they didn't turn up to the appointment, he would return to the spot and as soon as he saw them begging near the church he would pull out a truncheon from under his soutane and make good use of it.

A saint man indeed. Those were the days.