Sinn Fein wants families of immigrants to be allowed entry as a right

[OneEnglishNorman]

Sinn Féin: Sinn Féin seeks to amend Immigration, Residence and Protection Bill 2008

Speaking ahead of the meeting Sinn Féin Justice Spokesperson Aengus Ó Snodaigh TD welcomed the opportunity to make substantial changes to the Bill and said Sinn Féin will attempt to amend it to strengthen protections for persons facing persecution, to remove the discretionary powers invested in the Minister for Justice and to ensure that families of immigrants are allowed entry into the country as a right.

With faux-nationalists like these, who needs enemies?

[Errigal]

It makes sense when one recognizes modern Sinn Féin to be culturally one of the 68er movements.

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

Originally Posted by Errigal

It makes sense when one recognizes modern Sinn Féin to be culturally one of the 68er movements.

Aren't there several factions inside it?

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Marulus

Aren't there several factions inside it?

Yes, I'm sure there are.

[Kernunnos]

What about republican Sinn feinn?

Anyway, the current state of affair shows that such fake nationalists group were only tools of the Soviet Union during the proxy wars between East and West at the time of the cold war and nothing more.

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

The biological component of nationalism is not very popular, not even within the very nationalist movements. It is especially considered irrelevant in countries wherein the mass-immigration as a phenomenon is still non-existent, thus those few foreigners, European or non-European, are not perceived as any sort of threat.

[Weltschmerz]

Originally Posted by Marulus

The biological component of nationalism is not very popular, not even within the very nationalist movements. It is especially considered irrelevant in countries wherein the mass-immigration as a phenomenon is still non-existent, thus those few foreigners, European or non-European, are not perceived as any sort of threat.

More from the article:

"Sinn Féin is concerned at the overly broad discretionary powers invested in the Minister for Justice in the current text of the Bill and we will attempt to amend this section to base important decisions such as when to deport on sound policy guidelines rather than the discretion of a Minister.

"We also believe that any immigrant who comes here to live, work, and pay taxes should have the right to family reunification. This right has been omitted from the Bill as it currently stands and I will attempt to amend it accordingly.

I don't know exactly what was the reason for your comment, Marulus, but this statement of the Sinn Fein is exactly support for mass immigration.

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

I was speaking broadly, not referring specifically to Sinn Fein and its possible attitudes. Nationalism that takes into account biological factors is not very popular, not even in circles that call themselves nationalist, especially not in Eastern Europe. This might be due to the factual absence of mass-immigration, so even attitudes that might be seen as encouragement for mass-immigration are taken lightly.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Errigal

It makes sense when one recognizes modern Sinn Féin to be culturally one of the 68er movements.

You are right. This is no surprising when one realizes that in the 1969 split the Provisional IRA accused the Official IRA of espousing internationalist Marxism as opposed to traditional Irish Republicanism (ergo Nationalism).

The Officials were recognizing the Republic of Ireland (and therefore the partition) with the intention of creating a proletarian political force (both in the South and in the North) that would eventually bring down the divisionn of Ireland.

The Provisionals, in contrast, considered both British occupation and the government of the Republic illegal (therefore they did not recognize the partition of Ireland). And they focused on the armed defense of the Catholic population of Northern Ireland.

The split also happened in the Sinn Féin, when the PIRA established the Provisional Sinn Féin. And although initially the support of the Provisional Sinn Féin was stronger in Northern Ireland, and the Official Sinn Féin lost grounds, overtime the theses of the Officials have been winning grounds.

Or so the story goes. Better an Irish to explain it.

These days, it seems to me that the more that the Marxist theses win, the more that they give up to the British. Somehow it goes hand by hand.

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by NatVox

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These days, it seems to me that the more that the Marxist theses win, the more that they give up to the British. Somehow it goes hand by hand.

Yes that's correct; it is a kind of "ultra-Unionism" with submission to a parliament in Brussels rather than a parliament in London.

They are part of the "European United Left–Nordic Green Left" group at Brussels.

European United Left–Nordic Green Left - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[OneEnglishNorman]

Perhaps for Sinn Fein the island of Ireland exists in isolation to the people of Ireland.

Sinn Fein obviously can't be trusted with Ulster j/k

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[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Errigal

They are part of the "European United Left–Nordic Green Left" group at Brussels.

European United Left–Nordic Green Left - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are even people suspected of Islamo-Communist views within that group.

[Weltschmerz]

Originally Posted by Marulus

I was speaking broadly, not referring specifically to Sinn Fein and its possible attitudes. Nationalism that takes into account biological factors is not very popular, not even in circles that call themselves nationalist, especially not in Eastern Europe. This might be due to the factual absence of mass-immigration, so even attitudes that might be seen as encouragement for mass-immigration are taken lightly.

I don't think that systematic mass immigration of any sort is compatible with nationalism, but that depends on your concept of nationalism then. I'd like to think that any true nationalism needs to make sense out of the ethymology of the concept, which as far as I know is from nascii - to be born. As Bruno Bauch put it: A nation is something you are born into.

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Gnist

I don't think that systematic mass immigration of any sort is compatible with nationalism, but that depends on your concept of nationalism then. I'd like to think that any true nationalism needs to make sense out of the ethymology of the concept, which as far as I know is from nascii - to be born. As Bruno Bauch put it: A nation is something you are born into.

Yes, a nation is like a large family or clan; a few outsiders can be adopted but every new outsider changes the family group. Too many adopted outsiders and the house becomes more like a orphanage than a family home.

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

Originally Posted by Gnist

I don't think that systematic mass immigration of any sort is compatible with nationalism, but that depends on your concept of nationalism then.

Of course it is not compatible

Originally Posted by Gnist

I'd like to think that any true nationalism needs to make sense out of the ethymology of the concept, which as far as I know is from nascii - to be born. As Bruno Bauch put it: A nation is something you are born into.

That is correct. All I was saying was that when you are not in this moment threatened with something, then you tend not to pay attention to that, while concentrating to other issues instead. If you have, let us say, only several thousand foreign immigrants in a country of, let's say, six millions, you do not feel that the biological composition of your nation is under threat.

It is clearly different in those countries where there is mass-immigration.

I was just stating the fact, not implying that biological/racial or however-you-want-to-call-it, component is not important.