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As far as I know, the Greek archeology accounts for the pre-Slavic populations, the modern populations being Slavs. I dont see reason to deny that, though.
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What does 'Slav' really mean here? It's a linguistical term, I doubt that any Macedionian denies that his language is 'Slavic'. However when we talk about their descent, culture, history etc. the more useless the term 'Slavic' becoms.
Btw, I'm neutral on this Macedonian question.
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The term may not be of much meaning, that depends how its used, but that does not mean their descent, culture or history is not Slavic.
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It's not just Slavic.
Macedonian is the only Slavic language not having cases, having definite article, and is markedly analytic. Post scriptum: Oh, no! The tatars have stolen all these our specific ancient lingual features and called their language Bulgarian.
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I'm Slovenian, I speak Slavic langauge, and that's all I have in common with let's say.. Russian. Apart from being European. Quote:
Slovenians are regarded as 'Slavs' and yet it is unlikely that our descent is Slavic, even if Slavs came here in 6th century (very unlikely), it still wouldn't mean that we have Slavic descent, as there was no ethnocide over the original population. As I said, there are no few cases in history, when a certain population adopted the language of much smaller (in numbers) population of invaders. There is of course another theory, that western Slavs are original population of central Europe.
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And I dont disagree with that.
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I was speaking in general here. My mistake for not pointing that out.
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Good point. It is known that Slavs often allowed different peoples they encountered, and who did not originate from the proto-Slavic ethnic substrata(i.e. Illyricum natives), to live among themselves and to eventually become Slavicised. I think that sheds some light on the scale of impact of the indigenous Balkan populations on the Slavs who conquered them.
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Yes, I just don't like it when people consider every "Slavic" nation (which speaks Slavic language) as Slavic in terms of descent, culture, history... It's wrong as things are more complex and it depends of which particular nation we talk about. Personaly I think this thinking derives from romantic pan-Slavistic ideas which were quite strong in 19th century and also later in 20th cenutry.
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No one doubts being of (part) Slavic descent, but culturally Slavic? What the hell is Slavic culture? Quote:
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