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It’s the capital’s fastest growing religion, based on noble traditions and compassionate principles, yet Islam can still be tainted by mistrust and misunderstanding. Here Time Out argues that an Islamic London would be a better place

The noise from the expectant crowd hushed to a murmur as an open-backed lorry that had driven slowly up the Mall – known since the Islamic revolution of 2021 as The Way of the Martyrs – nudged its way through the thousands gathered in Mohammad Sidique Khan Square. On the lorry, two masked guards held a young man, black hood over his head; a quiver running through the material suggested he knew what was coming.

The lorry halted by the plinth that had once held Marc Quinn’s sculpture ‘Alison Lapper Pregnant’ – long since removed as an insult to decency – and was now the place of public execution. A rope noose attached to a wire cable hung from a mechanised hoist. The main doors of what had been the National Gallery flung open and an Imam walked down the steps of the new Institute of Islamic Jurisprudence, opened only a week before by Sultan Charles, Prince of Islam and protector of the faithful in England.

The official executioner placed a stepladder against the plinth. The lorry pulled up and the young man was pushed out, then forced up the ladder. The noose was forced over the condemned man’s head. The crowd chanted ‘Allahu akbar’ (God is greater than everything).The hoist driver put his finger on a green button … Okay, not really – that’s a hysterical, right-wing nightmare of a future Muslim London: where an cruel alien creed is forced on a liberal city. A society where women are second-class citizens, same sex relationships a crime and Sharia law enforces terrible public disfigurement and death. But the reality is a long, long way from this dark vision.

For a start, Islam is not an alien religion to London. At the end of World War I the city sat at the heart of an Empire that had 160 million Muslim subjects, 80 million in India alone. London was the largest Islamic capital in the world. Forty years later and the end of the Empire, unrest and war and poverty in south Asia had lead to mass immigration to the mother country and London became a Muslim capital in another sense.

According to the 2001 census there are 607,083 Muslims living in London (310,477 men and 296,606 women). The majority of Muslims live in the east of the city and, by 2012, the Muslim Council of Britain estimates that the Muslim population of Tower Hamlets, Newham, Waltham Forest and Hackney will be 250,000. There are plans afoot (though no formal application has yet been submitted) to build the UKs biggest mosque – capable of welcoming 40,000 worshippers – near the 2012 Olympic site, a move which has prompted predictable outrage from some quarters. Consequently, Muslim disillionment with a reactionary and often ill-informed press is at an all time high.

But rather than fear the inevitable changes this will bring to London, or buy in to a racist representation of all Muslims as terrorists, we should recognise both what Islam has given this city already, and the advantages it would bring across a wide range of areas in the future.
Public health
On the surface, Islamic health doesn’t look good: the 2001 census showed that 24 per cent of Muslim women and 21 per cent of Muslim men suffered long-term illness and disability. But these are factors of social conditions rather than religion. In fact, Islam offers Londoners potential health benefits: the Muslim act of prayer is designed to keep worshippers fit, their joints supple and, at five times a day, their stomachs trim. The regular washing of the feet and hands required before prayers promotes public hygiene and would reduce the transmission of superbugs in London’s hospitals.

Alcohol is haram, or forbidden, to Muslims. As London is above the national average for alcohol-related deaths in males, with 17.6 per 100,000 people (Camden has 31.6 per 100,000 males), turning all the city’s pubs into juice bars would have a massive positive effect on public health. Forbid alcohol throughout the country, and you’d avoid many of the 22,000 alcohol-related deaths and the £7.3 billion national bill for alcohol-related crime and disorder each year.

Ecology
‘The world is green and beautiful,’ said the prophet Muhammad, ‘and Allah has appointed you his guardian over it.’ The Islamic concept of halifa or trusteeship obliges Muslims to look after the natural world and Muhammad was one of the first ever environmentalists, advocating hima – areas where wildlife and forestry are protected. So we could expect more public parks under Islam, but halifa also applies to recycling: in 2006, 12,000 Muslims attended a series of sermons at the East London Mosque explaining the theological evidence for a link between behaving in an environmentally sustainable way and the Islamic faith.

Education
Presently, Muslim students perform less well than non-Muslim students. In inner London, 37 per cent of 16 to 24-year-old Muslims have no qualifications (the figure for the general population of the same age and location is 25 per cent). When it comes to university education the picture is equally gloomy: 16 to 24-year-old Muslims are half as likely to have degree level or above qualification than other inner London young people.

Again, social factors rather than religion have led to this state of affairs. Young Muslims in London are often of south Asian origin and therefore more likely to live in households where English is not the first language, more likely to encounter racism (both intentional and unintentional) during their education, and more likely to suffer from poverty and bad housing conditions.

But Tahir Alam, education spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain, claims Muslim children do better in their own faith schools than in the mainstream state sector: ‘Muslim schools have their own distinct ethos. They use the children’s faith and heritage as primary motivators to provide the backdrop for their education and behaviour. This ethos is consistent with the messages that children are getting at home, so it is a very coherent operation between the home and the school.’

If Islam became the dominant religion in London the same ethos could be applied to schooling across swathes of underprivileged and deprived areas of the city. This could have a revolutionary effect on educational achievement and, perhaps just as importantly, general levels of discipline and self-respect among London’s young people. While controversy rages over faith schools, there are 37 Muslim schools in London. As of 2004, only five were state schools, but there is growing pressure to bring more into the state sector which, according to Alam, will ‘help raise achievement for many sectors of the Muslim community. Many private Muslim schools are under-resourced and if they can be brought into the state sector this valuable experience can be extended to more children.’

Food
Application of halal (Arabic for ‘permissable’) dietary laws across London would free us at a stroke from our addiction to junk food, and the general adoption of a south Asian diet rich in fruit juice, rice and vegetables with occasional mutton or chicken would have a drastic effect on obesity, hyperactivity, attention deficit disorders and associated public health problems. As curry is already Londoners’ and the nation’s favourite food (see our Brick Lane food feature), it would be a relatively easy process to encourage the adoption of such a diet. Not eating would be important as well. The annual fasting month of Ramadan instils self-discipline, courtesy and social cohesion. And Londoners would benefit philosophically and physically from even a short period when we weren’t constantly ramming food into our mouths.

Inter-faith relations
In an Islamic London, Christians and Jews – with their allegiance to the Bible and the Talmud – would be protected as ‘peoples of the book’. Hindus and Sikhs manage to live alongside a large Muslim population in India, so why not here? Although England has a long tradition of religious bigotry against, for instance, Roman Catholics, it is reasonable to assume that under the guiding hand of Islam a civilised accommodation could be made among faith groups in London. This welcoming stance already exists in the capital in the form of the City Circle (see Yahya Birt interview), which encourages inter-faith dialogue and open discussion.

Arts
Some of the finest art in London is already Islamic. The Jameel Gallery at the V&A houses ‘ceramics, textiles, carpets, metalwork, glass and woodwork, which date from the great days of the Islamic caliphate of the eighth and ninth century’ up until the turn of the last century. Or take a free daily tour of the Addis Gallery of Islamic art (at the British Museum). London-based Nasser David Khalili, an Iranian-born Jew, has amassed what is considered to be the world’s largest private collection of Islamic art. Islamic influences have also flourished in other areas of the arts, with novelists, comedians (Birmingham-born Shazia Mirza was an instant hit on the London circuit), and music (from rappers Mecca2Medina on, to the less in-your-face Yusuf Islam).

Social justice
Each Muslim is obliged to pay zakat, a welfare tax of 2.5 per cent of annual income, that is distributed to the poor and the needy. If the working population of London, 5.2 million, was predominantly Muslim this would produce approximately £3.2bn each year. More importantly, everyone would be obliged to consider those Londoners who haven’t shared their good fortune. London would become a little less cruel.

Race relations
Under Islam all ethnicities are equal. Once you have submitted to Allah you are a Muslim – it doesn’t matter what colour you are. End of story.
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Horrible article and horrible journalist, it´s a complete rubbish, the world is being mad.
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Yes one day it will be muslim city like all western europe, berlin is small istambul and paris is small north africa
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of course it will be that way.
Now, we can sit here and scratch ourselves or we can do something about it. If I was you, I would pick the second choice.
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I heard there's a book on this sibject/ It is called "Londonistan" and it refers Londonistan as a state of mind allowing Islam to spread in london and it is a critique of multiculturalism, weak policing, cultural relativism and the "victim culture" in the UK.

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It was already a pretty awful and miserable place to live before turning Islamic.

Prince Charles once said that he meant to be the king of all religions. I suppose that in the tradition of the Church of England. Now, if he is lucky, most he will be able to achieve is Emir of Londonistan.
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my father bought Londinistan. I will have to give it a read.

I don't understand this ridiculous cultural exoticism.. English cuisine will not make one obsese: It's called exercise..

I also noticed something GLARINGLY INCORRECT in the article.

The religion of majority in India is HINDUISM, not Islam. The largest Islamic country in the world is actually Indonesia.

The author of this article obviously does not care about his own country and culture. A weakminded individual.
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Prince Charles once said that Islamic teaching could resolve world problems:
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ISLAMABAD, Oct 31 (KUNA) -- Prince Charles Tuesday said that the world problems could be resolve by following Islamic teachings, as Islam is a religion of peace and brotherhood.

Prince Charles while addressing a ceremony during his visit to Fatima Jinnah Women University (FJWU) stressed on better relations between Islam and other religions.

He said that clash of civilizations could be averted by following the teaching of Islam and Quraan.
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It is very confusing how Freemasons (Prince Charles being one, as are most of the British Royals and as most British politicians and institutions have been) have worked so much for the destruction of European Christendom, yet they are showing strong signs of submission to Islam.

I imagine that the answer must be in the links between Sufism and Freemasonry.
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I heard there's a book on this sibject/ It is called "Londonistan" and it refers Londonistan as a state of mind allowing Islam to spread in london and it is a critique of multiculturalism, weak policing, cultural relativism and the "victim culture" in the UK.

Melanie Phillips is part of the Jewish group who have very recently decided the dangers of Muslim immigration to Europe outweigh the benefits. Although they have enjoyed using North African, Pakistani and Turkish migrants to smash European society, these politically active Jews now see the Muslims of Europe as a threat to themselves. As long as the immigrants were forcing Christians to give up their traditions, driving down labour costs and confusing national identity they were fine; when they started attacking Jews and Jewish property the fun was over.

So what are the rest of us supposed to make of this? Are these neocons our new best friends? No. They are like the French communists during WW2 who switched from neutrality to hostility towards the occupying Germans only after their precious Soviet Union was attacked.

I think the best strategy with this bunch is to follow the advice of Bismarck: "With a gentleman I am always a gentleman and a half, and with a fraud I try to be a fraud and a half."
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It is very confusing how Freemasons (Prince Charles being one, as are most of the British Royals and as most British politicians and institutions have been) have worked so much for the destruction of European Christendom, yet they are showing strong signs of submission to Islam.

I imagine that the answer must be in the links between Sufism and Freemasonry.
Freemasonory????? I dont think sow, the queen is a leader of Anglican church, so why would they have something with masonory?
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my father bought Londinistan. I will have to give it a read.

I don't understand this ridiculous cultural exoticism.. English cuisine will not make one obsese: It's called exercise..

I also noticed something GLARINGLY INCORRECT in the article.

The religion of majority in India is HINDUISM, not Islam. The largest Islamic country in the world is actually Indonesia.

The author of this article obviously does not care about his own country and culture. A weakminded individual.
From what I've read some estimates place the number of Muslims in India higher then the number of Hindus. But either way given that the lower estimates put the numer of Muslims at 13-16+% and that there are 1.1 billion+ people in india that means there are some 143 million to 176 million Muslims in India and more. Those statistics would make it any where from 2nd to 4th most populous Muslim country, also may be the authro refers to India as the entire indian subcontinent, and if he does this if one counts Pakistan, Bangladesh it would mean that on the indian subcontinent there are 450 million+ Muslims, nearly half their world wide population.
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Never mind what you think.

The United Grand Lodge of England has had among its Grand Masters:
  • Prince Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex, son of King George III of England
  • Prince Albert Edward of Wales the son of Queen Victoria, who reigned as King Edward VII.. clearly the head of the Church of England too
  • Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn and Earl of Sussex, a son of Queen Victoria too who was elected as Grand Master when his brother Edward accessed to the throne
  • Prince George, Duke of Kent, the son of George V
  • Henry George Charles Lascelles, Earl of Harewood, married to Princess Mary, the daughter of George V
  • Prince Edward, Duke of Kent, grandson of George V and the cousin of Elizabeth II. He is the current Grand Master of the United Grand Lodge of England as well as the First Grand Principal of the Supreme Grand Chapter of Royal Arch Masons of England. He was also the Grand Master of the Anglican Order of St Michael and St George

Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh, was initiated in 1952 in the Navy Lodge, and he is a member of the Illuminati as is his coleague Prince Bernhard of The Netherlands. And so is believed to be Prince Charles of Wales.
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It is worth mentioning that the governing Establishment of England is very entangled with the world of Jews, banking, globalism etc. Even if the idea of a secret society of Freemasons may seem far-fetched, the power structure is very real. Just look at the family history of the current Conservative leader. His family was intermarried with Jewish bankers a century ago and worked with them to finance Japan in its war with Czarist Russia. The Czar was considered the great enemy of Jews because of their treatment in the Russian Empire at that time.

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