A Parallel Islamic Society Will Break Down Europe's

[Menydh]

A Parallel Islamic Society Will Break Down The European Society

El Mundo (paper edition)
October 11, 2006

Ralf Pittelkow, author of Islamister og Naivister ("The Islamists and the Naïves"), says that Europe has gone too far with Multiculturalism


It is an historical tradition, a custom kept by a community through centuries and which is now questioned to adapt itself to the convivence with other customs. It is something as basic as the communication face to face, a value which the European society hardly dares to revindicate before the Muslim veil. And, while the European society does not do thig with this and with the rest of its social customs, "the extremists shall win".

This is the idea defended by Ralf Pittelkow and Karen Jespersen, a couple of Danish Social Democrats and the auhors of The Islamists and the Naïves, a book which has been a best seller in Denmark, where a year ago the publication of some cartoons depicting Mohammed provoked a wave of violence against European interestes and symbols. In the opinion of these two writers, the comments by Jack Straw about the veil as a form of "separation" are "right" and "oportunes", especially in the United Kingdom "where the model of integration has failed and it represents a life example that 'to let them do as they wish" does not work".

"Why should we rennounce to a long tradition of speaking to someone and to be able to look directly to her face? That is a custom which is not personal but cultural.. And this kind of basic social customs give cohesion to our society", argues Pittelkow from the Left --who criticises radical Islam as a new form of "totalitarianism", in the same level as Communism and National Socialism for its intromision in the individual lifes of the people--, traditionally shy to speak out on this issue and even sympathetic with extremist movements like Hamas and Hizbulah.

"In the Left, there is much more Political Correctness than in the Right", says the author --a well-known Social Democrat advisor-- during a conversation over the telephone. "It is very sad that because of the belief that 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend', humanist and progressist parties will back forces which are profoundly reactionary and anti-democratic."

Europe has gone "too far with Multiculturalism" and it has undervalued the effects of immigration from Islamic countries: "The creation of a parallel Muslim society will break down the European society", explains Pittelkow, a professor of Literature and a columnist in the newspaper Jyllands-Posten, which published the cartoons that were reproduced months later by more than one hundred newspapers around Europe.

The Battlefield


Denmark, where according to the polls the citizens have today a worse concept of the Muslims than one year ago, but where they are now more friendly to the Muslims, has become the battlefield between freedom of speech and religious power --reads the book-- in which the Islamic leaders try to expand the obligations of the sharia --the religious law which prohibits the graphic representation of their Prophet-- to the Infidels.

The polemic was unleashed again on Friday after the broadcasting of a home-made video during a party in a camping organized by the Dansk Folkeparti, where its militant youths drew cartoons of Mohammed. The images are already in a number of websites and they have been an excuse for the Islamic Conference and the President of Iran, Mahmud Ahmadineyad, to attack the European lack of respect. The Danish Government, fearing new threats against its citizens and the boycott of its products, has condemned these cartoons immediately.

However, according to the book written by Pittelkow and Jespersen against the "naïve" Europe, the only possible answer to the Islamic critiques and even to the violence should be the defense of the freedom of speech, gender equality, the laicity of the State and the rest of European values with the same strength with which the Muslims advocate for their values.

"If we abandon our principles as soon as they are questioned, how can we pretend that they respect the rules of the game? how are they going to believe in the norms if, in Denmark, in Spain or in the United Kingdom they find only some shy voices in their defense?", complains Pittelkow, "the more the European leaders are scared, the more they give up, the bigger is the escale in demands by the radicals". During the crisis of the cartoons, recalls Pittelkow, the Islamic community started asking that the newspaper apologized and they ended up --after the condemnations of the cartoons by a part of the Danish and EU leaders-- demanding Islamic commissions to control the context in the text books.

According to the authors, the gesture of solidarity of the European Continental newspapers when they reproduced the cartoons --they were not reproduced in the UK and the US, save for a few very isolated exceptions-- at leat served as "a signal" in favour of the values less revindicated by its non religious component. In front of those who consider Europe as an island of laicism in the world --in particular given the rise of Evangelicalism in the US--, the Social Democrat theorists insist in that the Old Continent is not that much out of the road in the middle run.

"It is exaggerated to think that we are alone. One only has to look at the power which is winning more power and which will be the future, China, which is not a religious country", tells the Danish politician who, which a degree of idealism, he trusts that immigrants, be them Muslims or not, will end up convincing themselves of the bounties of the Nordic, Laicist and Democratic system, as soon as they master the language, study in a good school, obtain a stable job and are "able to live the success of the European society, which is precisely the success of its liberties".

[Menydh]

This is so funny. The naïve teaching lessons to the naïves on how naïves they all are.

[Franze]

Laicism, it´s funny, the receipt that has destroyed our Europe, they think that muslims have to suicide with this receipt, stupid leftist people!
Islam is more important for them than for you the laicism and the democracy.
Remember two sentences:
"Send missioneries not soldiers" by Mc Arthur
And " the best way to fight a idea is with another idea" Messalla in Ben-hur, and a religious idea is only fought with another religious idea.
Stupid leftist danish!

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

An extremely politically correct article.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

says that Europe has gone too far with Multiculturalism

Pity he doesn't say who is to blame for that.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

It is something as basic as the communication face to face,

European policy is becoming increasingly faceless. They don't speak facae to face, overtly and honestly, on anything, they always hide under a sort of spiritual veil that is maybe even worse and more perilous than the Muslim burqa itself.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

This is the idea defended by Ralf Pittelkow and Karen Jespersen, a couple of Danish Social Democrats and the auhors of The Islamists and the Naïves, a book which has been a best seller in Denmark, where a year ago the publication of some cartoons depicting Mohammed provoked a wave of violence against European interestes and symbols. In the opinion of these two writers, the comments by Jack Straw about the veil as a form of "separation" are "right" and "oportunes", especially in the United Kingdom "where the model of integration has failed and it represents a life example that 'to let them do as they wish" does not work".

Multicultists quoting other fellow multicultists, this man Mr. Jack
Straw(man) who comes from the country that invented multiculturalism in the first place.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

"Why should we rennounce to a long tradition of speaking to someone and to be able to look directly to her face?

I wonder as well...

Originally Posted by Mynydd

who criticises radical Islam as a new form of "totalitarianism", in the same level as Communism and National Socialism for its intromision in the individual lifes of the people

And modern Liberalism doesn't meddle in the individual lives of people?

Originally Posted by Mynydd

traditionally shy to speak out on this issue and even sympathetic with extremist movements like Hamas and Hizbulah.

What the hell Hamas and Hizbullah have to do with this???

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Denmark, where according to the polls the citizens have today a worse concept of the Muslims than one year ago, but where they are now more friendly to the Muslims.

Can someone explain this to me, please????

Originally Posted by Mynydd

However, according to the book written by Pittelkow and Jespersen against the "naïve" Europe,

ROFL
Europe is not "naïve" at all. Its power structures are just carrying out a project of destruction of all identities and cultures, both European and Islamic included, in order to create some new bastardized "humanity". That is the goal of massive Islamic (and not only Islamic) immigration, along with need of cheap labour. None of these two goals can be traced back to any kind of "naivete."

Originally Posted by Mynydd

the only possible answer to the Islamic critiques and even to the violence should be the defense of the freedom of speech, gender equality, the laicity of the State and the rest of European values.

Here we are! Further destruction of traditional European values, of family, religion and other group loyalties must be enacted, under the guise of struggle against the "radical Islam" (that they themsleves are importing!)

Originally Posted by Mynydd

in favour of the values less revindicated by its non religious component.

What values? "Values" of vulgarity, cretinism, consumer society.....?

Originally Posted by Mynydd

In front of those who consider Europe as an island of laicism in the world --in particular given the rise of Evangelicalism in the US.

"Laic" means opposed to "cleric". Such opposition exists only in countries of the Catholic tradition. In the American Protestantism, as in Islam, there is no priesthood (clerus), thence there is no difference between laics and clerics, therefore: no laicism.

Incredible how culturally shallow and uneducated became members of the present-day European ruling class!

Originally Posted by Mynydd

"It is exaggerated to think that we are alone. One only has to look at the power which is winning more power and which will be the future, China, which is not a religious country".

China is not Christian, but has a religion of her own: the devotion to the idea of the Empire of the Middle (Chong Guo), having its roots in Confucianism. China is not non-religious in sense Modern West is.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

tells the Danish politician who, which a degree of idealism, he trusts that immigrants, be them Muslims or not, will end up convincing themselves of the bounties of the Nordic, Laicist and Democratic system, as soon as they master the language, study in a good school, obtain a stable job and are "able to live the success of the European society, which is precisely the success of its liberties".

This is an excerpt from sketch of some comedian?

I lived in a Communist country, and I am not that young, as not to remember at least something from that period. This article, along with the theses expounded in it, remind me of some kind of communique of the Communist party.

[Sergius]

Don't bother. Both Pittelkow and Jespersen started their political careers in a pro-Soviet revolutionary leftist party and have remained fools ever since. Moving towards liberalism with time, now adopting anti-multiculti and pro-assimilationist views...what can I say.

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

Originally Posted by Ljubomir

Don't bother. Both Pittelkow and Jespersen started their political careers in a pro-Soviet revolutionary leftist party and have remained fools ever since. Moving towards liberalism with time, now adopting anti-multiculti and pro-assimilationist views...what can I say.

So a Hegelian-Marxist dialectic in practice. Before the fall of the Berlin Wall, there was the thesis (Capitalism) opposing the antithesis (Communism), finally they merge into a synthesis: a post-modern left which embraced liberalism and capitalism, while retaining cultural Marxism as well.

Of course, I don't say these two morons are aware of these concepts, they are just puppets, but those who pull the strings are very much aware.

[Menydh]

The ideas reminded me of Susano's:

German president urges Muslims to feel German

I suppose that he would agree with Pittelkow.

[Gladstone]

Yes, it's a bit rich to have these 'social democrats' attempting to guide Europeans in the right way towards Moslems. As adherents of the red portion of multi-culturalism they themselves are largely responsible for having brought the Islamics into Europe in the first place, all of this being a part of the multi-cults' long history of artificially creating problems, and then offering even worse solutions for those said problems. And of course it is ultimately multi-culturalism itself which is 'the problem'.

Can't help but be reminded a bit of the Pied Piper of Hamelin* regarding the articles' two writers...

He advanced to the council-table:
And, ``Please your honours,'' said he, ``I'm able,
By means of a secret charm, to draw
All creatures living beneath the sun,
That creep or swim or fly or run,
After me so as you never saw!
And I chiefly use my charm
On creatures that do people harm,
The mole and toad and newt and viper;
And people call me the Pied Piper.''

*This is probably not entirely fair to the Pied Piper as he had performed the service of getting rid of the rats as he had promised and not been paid as agreed upon, and thus had good reason to be angry. Had the Pied Piper been a multi-cultist, he would have created the rat problem himself, failed to do the job he promised, and even though managing to get himself paid in full, he still would have charmed the children of Hamelin away.

[svin]

The ideas reminded me of Susano's:

Or of the Welsh guy who posted on Stirpes too.

[Sergius]

Yes. Cymro.

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by prometheus
Multicultists quoting other fellow multicultists, this man Mr. Jack
Straw(man) who comes from the country that invented multiculturalism in the first place.

Don't forget about the French Republic and the Dutch too.

Originally Posted by Gladstone

Yes, it's a bit rich to have these 'social democrats' attempting to guide Europeans in the right way towards Moslems. As adherents of the red portion of multi-culturalism they themselves are largely responsible for having brought the Islamics into Europe in the first place, all of this being a part of the multi-cults' long history of artificially creating problems, and then offering even worse solutions for those said problems. And of course it is ultimately multi-culturalism itself which is 'the problem'.

Like the saying goes: "Today's problem was yesterday's solution".

Here is a profile of these authors at a website which wants to entangle Europe with the US and Israel:
Gates of Vienna: The Danish Model

The attempt to link Israel, the US and Europe in a global fight against "Islamofascism" is the biggest problem in the area of European foreign policy today. There are a lot of false friends who will pay for books and speeches from Europeans who agree to stand with Israel and the US.

[Gladstone]

Originally Posted by A Few Acres of Snow

Here is a profile of these authors at a website which wants to entangle Europe with the US and Israel:
Gates of Vienna: The Danish Model

Thanks for the link. Quite a few sites like that nowadays it seems.

The attempt to link Israel, the US and Europe in a global fight against "Islamofascism" is the biggest problem in the area of European foreign policy today. There are a lot of false friends who will pay for books and speeches from Europeans who agree to stand with Israel and the US.

Good point. One of the most dangerous and exposed situations Europeans are in now is having their forces in Lebanon, the whole purpose of Israel's invasion of Lebanon and 'defeat' at the hands of Hezbolla very possibly having been to bring them there.

The multi-culturalists have no qualms about creating catastrophes to bring people(s) into wars for its ends...having experience in that sort of thing.

USS Shaw Explodes at Pearl Harbor - 12/7/41

Pearl Harbor the movie offers fresh opportunity for those who correctly believe that Roosevelt knew of an impending attack by the Japanese and welcomed it as a way of snookering the isolationists and getting America into the war. The Naval Institute’s website is featuring a detailed article by Daryl Borgquist to the effect that high Red Cross officials with close contacts to Roosevelt quietly ordered large quantities of medical supplies and experienced medical personnel shipped to Hawaii well before Dec. 7, 1941. In 1995, Helen Hamman, the daughter of one of these officials, wrote to Bill Clinton a letter disclosing that her father had told her in the 1970s that shortly before the Pearl Harbor attack Roosevelt had told her father of the impending raid and told him to send Red Cross workers and supplies to the West Coast to be deployed in Hawaii. Roosevelt, Ms. Hamman wrote, told her father "the American people would never agree to enter the war in Europe unless they were attack [sic] within their own borders." Borgquist’s research, now published in the Proceedings of the Naval Institute, shows that the Red Cross was indeed staffed up and on a war footing in Hawaii by November 1941.

New York\'s Premier Alternative Newspaper. Arts, Music, Food, Movies and Opinion

[Errigal]

The Pearl Harbour example is good because there is a very high chance of this being tried again in Lebanon, like you mentioned, and near Iran as well.