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DUBLIN, Ireland - Lithuanian musicians, drum-beating Punjabis and West African dancers used Dublin's St. Patrick's Day parade on Saturday to celebrate their place in a booming Ireland that has become a land of immigrants

One man dressed as St. Patrick in papal hat and sunglasses did the samba, while another float nearby featured "Miss Panty," Dublin's premier drag queen.
Dublin's freewheeling parade drew a half-million spectators and included Christine Quinn, the first openly gay leader of the New York City Council. Quinn is boycotting the more conservative New York parade because the organizers refuse to let gay and lesbian groups march.
This year, she accepted an Irish government invitation to be part of the Dublin City Council contingent.
"The fact I'm here in Dublin and able to march and participate in inclusive events should send a message of how backwards the New York parade is," said Quinn.
The Irish economy has been booming for the past 13 years, drawing immigrants from around the world to the country — and its festivities.
"Nowadays there's far more color in the parade. It's great to see all our new Irish from across the world dressed up in green," said Prime Minister Bertie Ahern, who normally spends St. Patrick's Day in the United States but returned overnight after visiting President Bush in the White House.
The parade also featured about a dozen U.S. high school and college bands.
The leader of Ireland's 4 million Roman Catholics, Archbishop Sean Brady, appealed to Ireland to remember the religious roots of the holiday in this rapidly secularizing, heavy-drinking land.
"The challenge for all of us is to be consistent and coherent, not just in honoring Patrick with our lips and our parades, but with our hearts and lives — to honor what he really represents by earnestly trying to embody it in our own lives," Brady said.
More than 1,000 police were on duty to deal with expected alcohol-fueled trouble in the evening, following widespread drunkenness that led to 700 arrests in 2005 and lesser trouble last year.
Dublin liquor stores were ordered closed until 4 p.m. to deter public drinking until well after the parade concluded.
This was the first St. Patrick's Day period when police have been empowered to breathalyze drivers randomly on road checkpoints — a new law that resulted in 60 arrests in the hours before the parade.

By SHAWN POGATCHNIK, Associated Press Writer

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No matter what cultural festival ever exists, it is turned into a multicultural gay parade...
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That's nothing, there was even an orange walk in Dublin recently
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That's nothing, there was even an orange walk in Dublin recently
That parade was the textbook case of putting hope before experience. A clear case of sticking it in the light socket to see what would happen.
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That parade was the textbook case of putting hope before experience. A clear case of sticking it in the light socket to see what would happen.
I'm rather cynical about the whole affair.
There was really only ever going to be one outcome to that.
With all the historical connotations in that area, it was going to offend some sensibilities. I think there are people at the top of the Irish establisment who had certain vested interests in guaging the reaction to it.
Didn't MacAleese herself mention that the idea of re-joining the Commonwealth was one which interested her? At least Stormont is overtly British controlled.
In that respect, it is at least more honest about it's nature.
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- Edmund Curtis (A History of Ireland: From Earliest Times to 1922)

The Irish are one of the most ancient nations that I know of at this end of the world, and are from as mighty a race as the world ever brought forth.
For it is certain that Ireland hath had the use of letters very anciently and long before England; that they had letters anciently is nothing doubtful, for the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish.
- Edmund Spenser (writer, and British Government Official in Ireland, AD 1596).

The renaissance began in Ireland seven hundred years before it was known in Italy. And Armagh, the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, was at one time the metropolis of civilisation.
- Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature

Ireland can indeed lay claim to a great past; she can not only boast of having been the birthplace and abode of high culture in the fifth and sixth centuries . . . but also of having made strenous efforts in the seventh and up to the tenth century to spread her learning among the German and Romance peoples, thus forming the actual fountain of our present continental civilisation.
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I'm rather cynical about the whole affair.
There was really only ever going to be one outcome to that.
With all the historical connotations in that area, it was going to offend some sensibilities. I think there are people at the top of the Irish establisment who had certain vested interests in guaging the reaction to it.
Didn't MacAleese herself mention that the idea of re-joining the Commonwealth was one which interested her? At least Stormont is overtly British controlled.
In that respect, it is at least more honest about it's nature.
Yes, it had "test case" written all over it. The concept of "good fences make good neighbours" is an abomination to the EU integration, Globalist types. That is not an argument for any "Peace Lines" or even partition, but I am saying that no one should be forced to accept the unacceptable without a reaction. Union Jacks and Lambegs in Dublin cross the line. Anyone could have told them that. It just is. Like water is wet.

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That's nothing, there was even an orange walk in Dublin recently
Incredible.

How is it possible?
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Incredible.

How is it possible?
Unfortunately it was easy.
The treacherous Free State government was only too happy to accomodate

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The Irish are one of the most ancient nations that I know of at this end of the world, and are from as mighty a race as the world ever brought forth.
For it is certain that Ireland hath had the use of letters very anciently and long before England; that they had letters anciently is nothing doubtful, for the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish.
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- Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature

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This Multiculturalist St. Patrick's Day reminds me the "Fiesta de Moros Y Cristianos" in Valencia with an "Escola do Samba" marching

F*cking multicultis!
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The treacherous Free State government was only too happy to accomodate
The difference between the Orange Order march and the multiculti St.Patricks Day is following: The Orange Order was not welcomed and those protesting against it unfortunately lowered themselves to ordinary rioters; the multiculti St. Patricks's Day is welcomed and noone is protesting despite multiculturalism is the primary disease to any culture, and not some marching caricatures of themselves.
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The difference between the Orange Order march and the multiculti St.Patricks Day is following: The Orange Order was not welcomed and those protesting against it unfortunately lowered themselves to ordinary rioters; the multiculti St. Patricks's Day is welcomed and noone is protesting despite multiculturalism is the primary disease to any culture, and not some marching caricatures of themselves.
Sometimes even a riot can be desirable. You should actively show that you don't tolerate humiliation of your nation carried out through having a parade of the spiritual descendants (the Orange Order) of those who massacred your nation in the past. So those rioters were right! Maybe it is inverted logic to call those Republican protesters rioters. The parading Orangers should be called rioters instead!

And multi-cultie Saint Patrick parade is an entirely different matter. I am not sure these two things can be compared. It is the part of the scheme to destroy all genuine European culture through mixing it up with alien elements. Maybe genuine Irish nationalists should have orginised a parallel, traditional Saint Patrick parade in defiance to the multi-cultie one.

The theme here is Ireland and its "diverse" Saint Patrick parade, but I see these principles as applicable to all European nations.

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A multicultural St Patrick, this is horrible!!
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Anyway, the loss of cultural specificities is a widespread phenomenon all over Europe. For example, nowadays almost all local customs concerning All Saints Day have disappeared, in favour of Halloween with its pumpkins and jack-o-lanterns. It is not even the original Celtic culture, but some sort of American commercialized variety. This is a kind of multiculturalism, cultural imperialism and globalization too.

You are right, Aptrgangr. These things must be protested against as well.
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Hey, seen Moscow's parade on Euronews today... All those slavic guys wearing kilts, playing bigpipes and drinking while some girls were doing that irish dance (I guess) with pink shoes. Funny but still ridiculous...

Now, imagine you're an Irish tourist there... You've spend your money to see a copy of what you could have seen for free at home! LOL

Can't people just stick to their own culture? I mean... who wants to be an Irish anyway?
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