Threat to Europe a Turkish Commonwealth?

[ewald steiner]

Turkish wet dreams. Let the descendants of the pashas keep on wallowing on such utopic dreams. By the time they wake up they might find that there is no more turkey any more. Those mongols will be crushed by the force of history and sent back to the asian steppes from where they hailed from. Neither Russia, nor Iran, nor Syria will countenance a turkish barking rotweiler next to them, least of all as the efendi pasha of a rickety turanic empire, whose feet of clay will crumble at the first wisp of inclement weather .

[Menydh]

There are dissenting voices within the Turkish army against Turkey joining the EU. Most of the army is Kemalist, and it is them who incidentally prevent Turkey to become an Islamic state. As it is, incidentally, the Islamists who are in favour of joining the EU.

It does smell to rotten, doesn't it?

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by crvena zvezda

- Four- Iran is a rival to Turkey in the Ilsamic world. Specifically even though Iran is supposed to be just Islamic many of it's leaders support Persian nationalism.

Indeed, this is very true. Like De Gaulle pointed it out 50 years ago, no matter the changes of government and their different internal policies, Nations always follow their traditional goals and foreign policies. There was Russian imperialism behind the Tsars' Empire and USSR, Chinese imperialism behind the Manchu dynasty and Mao, French imperialism behind the Monarchy, the Empire and the Third Republic. Ideologies like communism, fascism, Shia islamism or "1789ism" are just adopted by Nations in order to achieve their eternal geopolitical and territorial claims.

Originally Posted by crvena zvezda

Persian nationalist and Irans Ayatollahs are competing for influence in the regions Turkey wants and specifically Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, Kurdistan and parts of other regions Turkey wants are viewed as Persian.

Right, Iranian nationalists have their own dream of a "greater Persia" stretching from the Caucasus to the Indus river, more or less the Parthian Empire at its greatest extent :



http://www.marzeporgohar.org/index.p...cat=&artid=670

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

There are dissenting voices within the Turkish army against Turkey joining the EU. Most of the army is Kemalist, and it is them who incidentally prevent Turkey to become an Islamic state. As it is, incidentally, the Islamists who are in favour of joining the EU.

It does smell to rotten, doesn't it?

It does.
I still think that the best option - currently - for Europe would be a "moderate Kemalist" government (CHP), supported by the Turkish army, against both Islamists (AKP) and ultra-nationalist pan-Turanist wet dreamers (MHP). Actually had it not been for the guardians of the Kemalist dogma (secularism and nationalism) and their influence on Turkish politics through Army and justice Turkey would already be either a Taliban-like state at the doors of Europe or an EU member - or even worse, both.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Theobald

Indeed, this is very true. Like De Gaulle pointed it out 50 years ago, no matter the changes of government and their different internal policies, Nations always follow their traditional goals and foreign policies. There was Russian imperialism behind the Tsars' Empire and USSR, Chinese imperialism behind the Manchu dynasty and Mao, French imperialism behind the Monarchy, the Empire and the Third Republic. Ideologies like communism, fascism, Shia islamism or "1789ism" are just adopted by Nations in order to achieve their eternal geopolitical and territorial claims.



Right, Iranian nationalists have their own dream of a "greater Persia" stretching from the Caucasus to the Indus river, more or less the Parthian Empire at its greatest extent :



http://www.marzeporgohar.org/index.p...cat=&artid=670

- This is what I've seen. However, I think this one is an exageration. I haven't heard any Persian nationalists talk of having Armenia, Georgia, Dagestan, or a region of China as this map shows.

[Errigal]

The south coast of the Persian Gulf has been part of their area from what I've heard. (Not that I care much either way)

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by A Few Acres of Snow

The south coast of the Persian Gulf has been part of their area from what I've heard.

Indeed, when Persian traditional imperialism meets Shia expansionnism you get Iranic peoples' lands + Shiite Arabic areas.

[Herceg-Bosna]

CRVENA ZVEZDA, what is you opinion about kosovo???

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by pro deo et patriae

CRVENA ZVEZDA, what is you opinion about kosovo???

Simple. I support the territorial integrity of all states. I prefer Kosovo to remain part of Serbia, just because I have a feeling that as soon as they are given independence they will start causing troubles in Southern Serbia, Montenegro, FYROM and Epirus in Greece. It will also increase and encourage separatism elsewhere.

If Kosovo is given independence then I believe that same principle should be applied to other regions of the balkans, specifically Republika srspka and Croatian parts of bosnia.

Also. If countries refuse to respect our territorial integrity, I see no reason to respect theirs. For example, Turkey wants Kosovo independence then I say when the Kurds rebel and get their own international protectorate (like Kosovo Albanians did) and go down the road to independence Serbia should support the kurds.

[Herceg-Bosna]

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